Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

[Anonymous]

Everyone on AEM needs to calm down. There are Westover people making solemn vows to fight for Reed as neighborhood as if it’s their birth right. And other non-Westover people dissecting details of discussions from 8 years ago. Breathe. We’re all going to be alright.

The biggest flipper outer routinely overreacts to a variety of issues, many unrelated to Reed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just waiting for the Rosslyn contingency to see this thread and the map, and start whining about the longest bus ride in Arlington!

its is half the county wide, but I think poor crapped on McKiney gets the honor or longest and worst bus ride.

And what’s up with the Reed nipple?

I think we are in the same PU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is completely inequitable to move ATS to far NW Arlington. It needs to be central. There’s only one. If you move it to the wealthiest enclaves then those will be the only families who can make the trek across the county. You will lose all/most lower income families. I sure hope APS is not that clueless.

Good. Move it and make it look like the inadequate enclave within a segregated school system that it is. And, make it an even more inconvenient escape valve for UMC South Arlington parents. Option schools are a complete sop to those latter parents designed only to quiet down what would otherwise be loud and widespread outrage over the egregious economic segregation in Arlington schools.

What you say is not entirely off base but at the same time, it’s also true that the option schools are the most diverse and integrated schools in the system. It cuts both ways. Getting rid of them would not help the cause of racial and economic integration in APS. Quite the opposite.

Are they really more diverse and integrated than the neighborhoods in which they sit, though?

Pretty much. I’m UMC and can not afford to buy a home in the neighborhoods surrounding Henry, Key, ATS, or Claremont.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is completely inequitable to move ATS to far NW Arlington. It needs to be central. There’s only one. If you move it to the wealthiest enclaves then those will be the only families who can make the trek across the county. You will lose all/most lower income families. I sure hope APS is not that clueless.

Good. Move it and make it look like the inadequate enclave within a segregated school system that it is. And, make it an even more inconvenient escape valve for UMC South Arlington parents. Option schools are a complete sop to those latter parents designed only to quiet down what would otherwise be loud and widespread outrage over the egregious economic segregation in Arlington schools.

What you say is not entirely off base but at the same time, it’s also true that the option schools are the most diverse and integrated schools in the system. It cuts both ways. Getting rid of them would not help the cause of racial and economic integration in APS. Quite the opposite.

Are they really more diverse and integrated than the neighborhoods in which they sit, though?

Pretty much. I’m UMC and can not afford to buy a home in the neighborhoods surrounding Henry, Key, ATS, or Claremont.

Don’t know about the neighborhood around claremont, but key/ats/Henry have mostly apartments near them. Asfs is over 80% people living in apartments. You can afford to rent an apartment there I bet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe we're already fighting about this. It's going to be a long year and a half.

Which is exactly why APS should only put out three options, allow a month for feedback, then just MOVE FORWARD. Stop with all this community input. Look at the numbers, figure out what makes the most sense county wide and SKIP all the crying at community meetings.

This would be a dream come true. Courage!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe we're already fighting about this. It's going to be a long year and a half.

Which is exactly why APS should only put out three options, allow a month for feedback, then just MOVE FORWARD. Stop with all this community input. Look at the numbers, figure out what makes the most sense county wide and SKIP all the crying at community meetings.

+1,000,000,000,000,000

Yes. Please, please, please. Make this all stop. What new input is APS even going to hear?!

And all this community input just lets the rich white people mobilize better. And I am one of the rich white people in a target neighborhood that will most likely have an unpopular re-zoning. But I also watched the last go round and it was...ridiculous.

Yes, i can't wait for neighborhoods to start wearing matching t-shirts to school board meetings.

Enough with all this nonsense. Not all children will be able to walk to school. So sorry if your kid (or mine) is one of them. Draw the freaking boundaries and let's get on with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is completely inequitable to move ATS to far NW Arlington. It needs to be central. There’s only one. If you move it to the wealthiest enclaves then those will be the only families who can make the trek across the county. You will lose all/most lower income families. I sure hope APS is not that clueless.

Good. Move it and make it look like the inadequate enclave within a segregated school system that it is. And, make it an even more inconvenient escape valve for UMC South Arlington parents. Option schools are a complete sop to those latter parents designed only to quiet down what would otherwise be loud and widespread outrage over the egregious economic segregation in Arlington schools.

What you say is not entirely off base but at the same time, it’s also true that the option schools are the most diverse and integrated schools in the system. It cuts both ways. Getting rid of them would not help the cause of racial and economic integration in APS. Quite the opposite.

Are they really more diverse and integrated than the neighborhoods in which they sit, though?

Pretty much. I’m UMC and can not afford to buy a home in the neighborhoods surrounding Henry, Key, ATS, or Claremont.

Don’t know about the neighborhood around claremont, but key/ats/Henry have mostly apartments near them. Asfs is over 80% people living in apartments. You can afford to rent an apartment there I bet.

No, they don’t have mostly apartments near them. I’m 40, I work and so does my spouse. We have two kids. I live in a two bedroom semi detached. The rent for a two bedroom apartment exceeds my mortgage payment. Can I afford it? Yeah. But why would I? Btw, Take away river place and ASfS has few apartments and no Asians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is completely inequitable to move ATS to far NW Arlington. It needs to be central. There’s only one. If you move it to the wealthiest enclaves then those will be the only families who can make the trek across the county. You will lose all/most lower income families. I sure hope APS is not that clueless.

Good. Move it and make it look like the inadequate enclave within a segregated school system that it is. And, make it an even more inconvenient escape valve for UMC South Arlington parents. Option schools are a complete sop to those latter parents designed only to quiet down what would otherwise be loud and widespread outrage over the egregious economic segregation in Arlington schools.

What you say is not entirely off base but at the same time, it’s also true that the option schools are the most diverse and integrated schools in the system. It cuts both ways. Getting rid of them would not help the cause of racial and economic integration in APS. Quite the opposite.

Are they really more diverse and integrated than the neighborhoods in which they sit, though?

Pretty much. I’m UMC and can not afford to buy a home in the neighborhoods surrounding Henry, Key, ATS, or Claremont.

Don’t know about the neighborhood around claremont, but key/ats/Henry have mostly apartments near them. Asfs is over 80% people living in apartments. You can afford to rent an apartment there I bet.

No, they don’t have mostly apartments near them. I’m 40, I work and so does my spouse. We have two kids. I live in a two bedroom semi detached. The rent for a two bedroom apartment exceeds my mortgage payment. Can I afford it? Yeah. But why would I? Btw, Take away river place and ASfS has few apartments and no Asians.

That’s not true. You can look at the affordable units in Rosslyn and Courthouse to start https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

There are also still some run down market rate apartments and tons of condos. You can cross reference the planning units stats from the Fleet zoning cycle. Key is not more diverse than the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is completely inequitable to move ATS to far NW Arlington. It needs to be central. There’s only one. If you move it to the wealthiest enclaves then those will be the only families who can make the trek across the county. You will lose all/most lower income families. I sure hope APS is not that clueless.

Good. Move it and make it look like the inadequate enclave within a segregated school system that it is. And, make it an even more inconvenient escape valve for UMC South Arlington parents. Option schools are a complete sop to those latter parents designed only to quiet down what would otherwise be loud and widespread outrage over the egregious economic segregation in Arlington schools.

What you say is not entirely off base but at the same time, it’s also true that the option schools are the most diverse and integrated schools in the system. It cuts both ways. Getting rid of them would not help the cause of racial and economic integration in APS. Quite the opposite.

Are they really more diverse and integrated than the neighborhoods in which they sit, though?

Pretty much. I’m UMC and can not afford to buy a home in the neighborhoods surrounding Henry, Key, ATS, or Claremont.

Don’t know about the neighborhood around claremont, but key/ats/Henry have mostly apartments near them. Asfs is over 80% people living in apartments. You can afford to rent an apartment there I bet.

No, they don’t have mostly apartments near them. I’m 40, I work and so does my spouse. We have two kids. I live in a two bedroom semi detached. The rent for a two bedroom apartment exceeds my mortgage payment. Can I afford it? Yeah. But why would I? Btw, Take away river place and ASfS has few apartments and no Asians.

That’s not true. You can look at the affordable units in Rosslyn and Courthouse to start https://housing.arlingtonva.us/get-help/rental-services/affordable-units/

There are also still some run down market rate apartments and tons of condos. You can cross reference the planning units stats from the Fleet zoning cycle. Key is not more diverse than the neighborhood.

Key is 40 percent FRL and the houses around it go for 1 million. A one bedroom in Colonial village across the street is $300k. The surrounding neighborhoods are mostly definitely less diverse than Key, which gets its racial and SES diversity from apartment dwellers outside of or at the very fringes of its zone, in Buckingham (because it is an option school) and to a lesser extent, older buildings in Radnor heights that would conceivably be in a zone we’re it a neighborhood school.. If one were to only look at family sized apartments and condos and SsFH it would be even clearer that option schools are more diverse than their walkzone or immediate surroundings.

The simplest way to demonstrate that option schools contribute to integration is to You could just look at frl rates. The overall county rate is about 30 percent. The option schools are all within 10 points of that, usually less. Only Henry and long branch are within ten points of the county average. Henry’s, now fleet, that frl rate has dropped more than 40 points in 15 years. The truth is that as we build more Elemntary schools, each zone gets smaller and more reflective of neighborhood segregation dating to the early and mid 20th century. People love to tag on options and they aren’t faultless but without them, we’d have almost no integration at all. Just think what would happen with a neighborhood HS at the CC. It’d split an integrated, verging on poor, Wakefield high into a rich school and a poor school.

[Anonymous]

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Everyone on AEM needs to calm down. There are Westover people making solemn vows to fight for Reed as neighborhood as if it’s their birth right. And other non-Westover people dissecting details of discussions from 8 years ago. Breathe. We’re all going to be alright.

The biggest flipper outer routinely overreacts to a variety of issues, many unrelated to Reed.

But as God is my witness Westover will not take it on the chin again!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Everyone on AEM needs to calm down. There are Westover people making solemn vows to fight for Reed as neighborhood as if it’s their birth right. And other non-Westover people dissecting details of discussions from 8 years ago. Breathe. We’re all going to be alright.

The biggest flipper outer routinely overreacts to a variety of issues, many unrelated to Reed.

But as God is my witness Westover will not take it on the chin again!

Oh the poor VICTIMS in Westover. Of course you are aggrieved. Not to have your very own neighborhood elementary school (after petitioning against one). Having to endure a (4 minute) drive to other (highly rated) elementary schools instead. Making do with your huge field, your very own library and a walkable middle school instead.

We all feel for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Everyone on AEM needs to calm down. There are Westover people making solemn vows to fight for Reed as neighborhood as if it’s their birth right. And other non-Westover people dissecting details of discussions from 8 years ago. Breathe. We’re all going to be alright.

The biggest flipper outer routinely overreacts to a variety of issues, many unrelated to Reed.

But as God is my witness Westover will not take it on the chin again!

Oh the poor VICTIMS in Westover. Of course you are aggrieved. Not to have your very own neighborhood elementary school (after petitioning against one). Having to endure a (4 minute) drive to other (highly rated) elementary schools instead. Making do with your huge field, your very own library and a walkable middle school instead.

We all feel for you.

Do you realize most people who live in Westover and have kids weren't here in 2011 when APS decided to build at Discovery? That area has had a massive amount of turnover (old people leaving, new families coming in), which has contributed to the massive overcrowding at McKinley. Also, while some where arguing against an elementary school, some were arguing to have it put IN Westover. Those people were your collective "Westover" that you all like to refer to. There isn't one Westover voice. You pick the one person you find annoying (and every neighborhood has them) and then stereotype or act out a vendetta against them. Grow up.

And, because it needs to be said a 5000th time, the school proposal APS put out in 2011 was one of the types of designs that never made it past the first round when an actual committee of APS, community members and county board staff got involved for new Reed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the maps, in several instances kids would be bussed past neighborhood schools. That didn’t seem to be ok last year, but now it is ok?

This is what the situation will be IF they don't move option schools.

Right. Which is more important, keeping all of the option schools where they are right now or having boundaries that make more sense. That's what this map is about.

It was also just meant the scare people. There were certainly ways to make the boundaries better without creating the McK nipple. A class of 5th graders could have done a better job.

[Anonymous]

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Everyone on AEM needs to calm down. There are Westover people making solemn vows to fight for Reed as neighborhood as if it’s their birth right. And other non-Westover people dissecting details of discussions from 8 years ago. Breathe. We’re all going to be alright.

The biggest flipper outer routinely overreacts to a variety of issues, many unrelated to Reed.

But as God is my witness Westover will not take it on the chin again!

Oh the poor VICTIMS in Westover. Of course you are aggrieved. Not to have your very own neighborhood elementary school (after petitioning against one). Having to endure a (4 minute) drive to other (highly rated) elementary schools instead. Making do with your huge field, your very own library and a walkable middle school instead.

We all feel for you.

Do you realize most people who live in Westover and have kids weren't here in 2011 when APS decided to build at Discovery? That area has had a massive amount of turnover (old people leaving, new families coming in), which has contributed to the massive overcrowding at McKinley. Also, while some where arguing against an elementary school, some were arguing to have it put IN Westover. Those people were your collective "Westover" that you all like to refer to. There isn't one Westover voice. You pick the one person you find annoying (and every neighborhood has them) and then stereotype or act out a vendetta against them. Grow up.

And, because it needs to be said a 5000th time, the school proposal APS put out in 2011 was one of the types of designs that never made it past the first round when an actual committee of APS, community members and county board staff got involved for new Reed.

The collective Westover voices sure are WHINY: "We must keep our trees!" (never mind the handicapped access). "We can't have a school here!" "We deserve a neighborhood school!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hard to believe we're already fighting about this. It's going to be a long year and a half.

Which is exactly why APS should only put out three options, allow a month for feedback, then just MOVE FORWARD. Stop with all this community input. Look at the numbers, figure out what makes the most sense county wide and SKIP all the crying at community meetings.

This would be a dream come true. Courage!

Agree. Just do it people.