3.7% pay cut for DCPS teachers for SY 19-20

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY IS BEING DOCKED ANY PAY! Why is this so hard for people to grasp??? Seriously I find this alarming as DC taxpayer.

I also find this very alarming.

You can call it anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that teachers will not receive a regular two-week paycheck for one of the scheduled pay periods. This will result in a 3.7% reduction of their annual salary. No amount of redistributing of the next 26 pay checks will make up the difference.

It's the opposite! There is no gap in pay. But because there are 27 instead of 26 pay periods, each paycheck is reduced. But you get an extra paycheck. IS OUR CHILDREN LEARNING MATH????????!!!!

It’s ARE, not IS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NOBODY IS BEING DOCKED ANY PAY! Why is this so hard for people to grasp??? Seriously I find this alarming as DC taxpayer.

I also find this very alarming.

You can call it anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that teachers will not receive a regular two-week paycheck for one of the scheduled pay periods. This will result in a 3.7% reduction of their annual salary. No amount of redistributing of the next 26 pay checks will make up the difference.

It's the opposite! There is no gap in pay. But because there are 27 instead of 26 pay periods, each paycheck is reduced. But you get an extra paycheck. IS OUR CHILDREN LEARNING MATH????????!!!!

It’s ARE, not IS.

[Anonymous]

So very glad that this fine example of the WTU are not teaching my child. And I feel for the group of dedicated DCPS teachers who aren't brain dead morons who need to figure out how to work with you all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NOBODY IS BEING DOCKED ANY PAY! Why is this so hard for people to grasp??? Seriously I find this alarming as DC taxpayer.

I also find this very alarming.

You can call it anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that teachers will not receive a regular two-week paycheck for one of the scheduled pay periods. This will result in a 3.7% reduction of their annual salary. No amount of redistributing of the next 26 pay checks will make up the difference.

It's the opposite! There is no gap in pay. But because there are 27 instead of 26 pay periods, each paycheck is reduced. But you get an extra paycheck. IS OUR CHILDREN LEARNING MATH????????!!!!

It’s ARE, not IS.

Can you imagine being both stupid enough and so utterly convinced of your own superiority that you can't see obvious sarcasm?

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand all the criticism of people not understanding this. It *is* complicated!

All the people who think it is straightforward have LESS understanding of it than the people who think it us a pay cut. It is neither simple nor a pay cut.

Stop with all the bashing.

[Anonymous]

Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

We don’t trust DCPS: true
We don’t trust WTU: False

WTU released a statement that it is reviewing this issue with its lawyers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

I posted this way back on page 2 or 3. When you want to be a victim, you’ll find ways to be a victim. Some teachers are perpetual victims of DCPS and will always be. They are welcome to choose an employer who isn’t “cutting” 3.7% of their pay, but they would rather argue it out here. As far as I know, no one has quit or field a formal grievance and I haven’t heard anything from WTU about the issue.

And as for trusting WTU, they never respond to my messages, so not sure I trust them when I need them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

I posted this way back on page 2 or 3. When you want to be a victim, you’ll find ways to be a victim. Some teachers are perpetual victims of DCPS and will always be. They are welcome to choose an employer who isn’t “cutting” 3.7% of their pay, but they would rather argue it out here. As far as I know, no one has quit or field a formal grievance and I haven’t heard anything from WTU about the issue.

And as for trusting WTU, they never respond to my messages, so not sure I trust them when I need them.

Waiting for the resolution. I have faith it will come. BTW, refusing to let an employer arbitrarily reduce your compensation is not evidence of being a victim. It is the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

I posted this way back on page 2 or 3. When you want to be a victim, you’ll find ways to be a victim. Some teachers are perpetual victims of DCPS and will always be. They are welcome to choose an employer who isn’t “cutting” 3.7% of their pay, but they would rather argue it out here. As far as I know, no one has quit or field a formal grievance and I haven’t heard anything from WTU about the issue.

And as for trusting WTU, they never respond to my messages, so not sure I trust them when I need them.

Waiting for the resolution. I have faith it will come. BTW, refusing to let an employer arbitrarily reduce your compensation is not evidence of being a victim. It is the opposite.

But they’re not reducing your compensation. I wish they would have just let you guys have a pay gap and instead.

[Anonymous]

In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

Doesn't the one-week later start time for 2019-2020 effectively mean that you work an extra week in June? In 2020 school goes through the first 3 weeks of June; in 2019 it was just the first 2 weeks. It is confusing because the work schedule is seasonal, but the pay is annual. Over 2 years, I don't think there's any additional time off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

Doesn't the one-week later start time for 2019-2020 effectively mean that you work an extra week in June? In 2020 school goes through the first 3 weeks of June; in 2019 it was just the first 2 weeks. It is confusing because the work schedule is seasonal, but the pay is annual. Over 2 years, I don't think there's any additional time off.

It can be confusing to count weeks because not every week has 5 work days. Someone had pointed out the number of teacher days will actually be one less than last year. So regardless of number of weeks it takes to get us there, it’s technically one day less of work.

We also aren’t working one less week and not getting paid for it. We are working the same amount, the times just don’t line up. So they are doing us a favor and distributing a check an extra week that we didn’t work in an effort to keep giving us a paycheck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

Doesn't the one-week later start time for 2019-2020 effectively mean that you work an extra week in June? In 2020 school goes through the first 3 weeks of June; in 2019 it was just the first 2 weeks. It is confusing because the work schedule is seasonal, but the pay is annual. Over 2 years, I don't think there's any additional time off.

There are 10 weeks of summer break this summer, there will be 9 weeks next summer and probably for 5 more summers before there is an adjustment summer where they have 10 weeks again.

I think they should just pay teachers over the course of the school year and teachers can elect whether they want some portion of their salary for the school year held back to be paid over the summer. This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

I posted this way back on page 2 or 3. When you want to be a victim, you’ll find ways to be a victim. Some teachers are perpetual victims of DCPS and will always be. They are welcome to choose an employer who isn’t “cutting” 3.7% of their pay, but they would rather argue it out here. As far as I know, no one has quit or field a formal grievance and I haven’t heard anything from WTU about the issue.

And as for trusting WTU, they never respond to my messages, so not sure I trust them when I need them.

Waiting for the resolution. I have faith it will come. BTW, refusing to let an employer arbitrarily reduce your compensation is not evidence of being a victim. It is the opposite.

Refusing to see all the crystal clear evidence that you are NOT in fact getting paid a cent less certainly seems to me like you are refusing to be anything other than a victim of DCPS. I’m also a DCPS teacher.

I wish Jeff could look back and tell us if it’s just one person refusing to understand. Everyone I have talked to in person about this has zero problem getting it.