3.7% pay cut for DCPS teachers for SY 19-20

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

I posted this way back on page 2 or 3. When you want to be a victim, you’ll find ways to be a victim. Some teachers are perpetual victims of DCPS and will always be. They are welcome to choose an employer who isn’t “cutting” 3.7% of their pay, but they would rather argue it out here. As far as I know, no one has quit or field a formal grievance and I haven’t heard anything from WTU about the issue.

And as for trusting WTU, they never respond to my messages, so not sure I trust them when I need them.

Waiting for the resolution. I have faith it will come. BTW, refusing to let an employer arbitrarily reduce your compensation is not evidence of being a victim. It is the opposite.

Refusing to see all the crystal clear evidence that you are NOT in fact getting paid a cent less certainly seems to me like you are refusing to be anything other than a victim of DCPS. I’m also a DCPS teacher.

I wish Jeff could look back and tell us if it’s just one person refusing to understand. Everyone I have talked to in person about this has zero problem getting it.

Did you talk to your building rep?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

It's a 2-week pay period that is being cut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In spite of all the arguing, the subject line is misleading. There's no change to the pay tables. One can debate whether working one less week and not getting paid for that week constitutes a "cut." I'd contend it doesn't. Unwanted, maybe, but at least it's additional time off.

It's a 2-week pay period that is being cut.

STOP LYING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From DCPS email to teachers last week:

“School Year 2019-2020 begins one pay period later than the school year started for School Year 2018-2019. This results in 27 pay periods between the start of School Year 2018-2019 and start of School Year 2019-2020, rather than the typical 26 pay periods. As a result of this schedule, there would be a one pay period gap in all 10-month teachers' pay if no action is taken.

To ensure there is no gap in pay, we will start 10-month educators’ compensation for School Year 2019-2020 one pay period before you actually return to work on August 19 (the pay period from August 4-17), and your compensation for School Year 2019-2020 will be spread evenly across 27 paychecks through August 15, 2020. ”

each pay periods is two weeks

[Anonymous]

Maybe we just need to stop replying and let the thread die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Given the 13 pages of this thread, over something which should be quite simple, my takeaway is: teachers do not trust, even slightly, their employer to NOT sneak in an illegal pay cut, even WITH their union protections. THAT is nuts to me. I mean if it were just suspicion of ordinary DC government incompetence, maybe, but you also have a watchdog fighting for every contract detail. So, you not only don't trust DC but you don't even trust WTU, who you pay to watch this kind of thing for you.

We don’t trust DCPS: true
We don’t trust WTU: False

WTU released a statement that it is reviewing this issue with its lawyers.

Ok, sounds like it's taken care of. Everyone can just shut up now. WTU will sort it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY IS BEING DOCKED ANY PAY! Why is this so hard for people to grasp??? Seriously I find this alarming as DC taxpayer.

I also find this very alarming.

You can call it anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that teachers will not receive a regular two-week paycheck for one of the scheduled pay periods. This will result in a 3.7% reduction of their annual salary. No amount of redistributing of the next 26 pay checks will make up the difference.

It's the opposite! There is no gap in pay. But because there are 27 instead of 26 pay periods, each paycheck is reduced. But you get an extra paycheck. IS OUR CHILDREN LEARNING MATH????????!!!!

It’s ARE, not IS.

Maybe. But it doesn’t fit the context of math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NOBODY IS BEING DOCKED ANY PAY! Why is this so hard for people to grasp??? Seriously I find this alarming as DC taxpayer.

I also find this very alarming.

You can call it anything you want, but it doesn't change the fact that teachers will not receive a regular two-week paycheck for one of the scheduled pay periods. This will result in a 3.7% reduction of their annual salary. No amount of redistributing of the next 26 pay checks will make up the difference.

It's the opposite! There is no gap in pay. But because there are 27 instead of 26 pay periods, each paycheck is reduced. But you get an extra paycheck. IS OUR CHILDREN LEARNING MATH????????!!!!

It’s ARE, not IS.

Can you imagine being both stupid enough and so utterly convinced of your own superiority that you can't see obvious sarcasm?

Ouch. That hurt. Do you feel better now? ?

[Anonymous]

To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

First reasonable post on this topic in forever. It makes sense that you wouldn't trust DCPS. I am a parent and I don't trust them either. And it i refreshing to see someone acknowledge that WTU has a history of looking out for the WTU execs and not teachers and also should not be trusted. And because you trusted neither party you probably saw the original communication, spent 3 minutes reviewing what it meant, did basic math, and moved on.

I feel sorry for you. I'm guessing you are a vibrant educator and you have lots of friends who are similar. But you are burdened by incompetent DCPS administrators and a union that has no sense of optics and seems only to serve its very existence and execs, and not its members. Plus so very much dead weight, dim witted, colleagues. I sincerely hope you and your kind persist. We need people like you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

First reasonable post on this topic in forever. It makes sense that you wouldn't trust DCPS. I am a parent and I don't trust them either. And it i refreshing to see someone acknowledge that WTU has a history of looking out for the WTU execs and not teachers and also should not be trusted. And because you trusted neither party you probably saw the original communication, spent 3 minutes reviewing what it meant, did basic math, and moved on.

I feel sorry for you. I'm guessing you are a vibrant educator and you have lots of friends who are similar. But you are burdened by incompetent DCPS administrators and a union that has no sense of optics and seems only to serve its very existence and execs, and not its members. Plus so very much dead weight, dim witted, colleagues. I sincerely hope you and your kind persist. We need people like you.

+1 with the caveat that I don't think anyone wants someone to feel sorry for them. I fell empathy with and admiration for the great teachers that persist. You are appreciated!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

The Barbara Bullock scandal was back in 2002.


Teachers will lose two weeks of pay. If it isn't a pay cut, what do you call it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

The Barbara Bullock scandal was back in 2002.


Teachers will lose two weeks of pay. If it isn't a pay cut, what do you call it?

Can you explain, with math, how teachers are losing 2 weeks of pay? Do you mean the fact that the summer is longer this year?

Do you understand this equation: S/26 x 26 = S/27 x 27

??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

The Barbara Bullock scandal was back in 2002.


Teachers will lose two weeks of pay. If it isn't a pay cut, what do you call it?

Can you explain, with math, how teachers are losing 2 weeks of pay? Do you mean the fact that the summer is longer this year?

Do you understand this equation: S/26 x 26 = S/27 x 27

??

An annual salary is paid over 12 months, which is 52 weeks.
Being paid the same amount over 54 weeks results in teachers losing the equivalent of one two-week pay check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To respond to an earlier post- yes we don’t trust our employer. They have lied about a RIF (2008) to fire teachers under false pretenses. They do crap like decide a school is extended year- then just stop. And the WTU was in receivership as late as 2008, for embezzling ?????.
To be clear- this obviously isn’t a paycut. But the lack of trust is earned.

The Barbara Bullock scandal was back in 2002.


Teachers will lose two weeks of pay. If it isn't a pay cut, what do you call it?

Can you explain, with math, how teachers are losing 2 weeks of pay? Do you mean the fact that the summer is longer this year?

Do you understand this equation: S/26 x 26 = S/27 x 27

??

An annual salary is paid over 12 months, which is 52 weeks.
Being paid the same amount over 54 weeks results in teachers losing the equivalent of one two-week pay check.

But they are not working 54 weeks for 52 weeks of pay; and they certainly shouldn’t get paid extra just because the summer is 10 weeks instead of 9. Anyone who has used a calendar knows that start dates shift around.