Why deny UVA?

[Anonymous]

Actually, the SAT wasn’t re-centered until the late 90s. But PP’s point is the same.

In 1999 the average SAT score of entering students (not admitted, but actually enrolled) was 1470 at Yale, 1375 at Northwestern, and 1310 at UVA.

[Anonymous]

None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

[Anonymous]

Average high school (and college) GPAs have gone up significantly (grade inflation) and the SAT has had 3 or so changes that have bumped up scores. The one in the mid-1990s alone raised it about 100 points. The reason it was recentered is because scores were dropping over time on tests with the same level of difficulty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average high school (and college) GPAs have gone up significantly (grade inflation) and the SAT has had 3 or so changes that have bumped up scores. The one in the mid-1990s alone raised it about 100 points. The reason it was recentered is because scores were dropping over time on tests with the same level of difficulty.

Math scores were dropping a lot less than verbal. What was going on was a more diverse group of students, some with less than perfect English proficiency, were starting to take the test.

[Anonymous]

Average high school GPA rose .27 at more affluent schools from 2005 to 2016. From 1990 to 2009, average GPA went up .32 across all schools. SAT averages have changed significantly, largely do to recentering and adjustments. You can't easily compare today to 1980s or 1990s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

That isn't right. Admitted SAT average was 1438. Enrolled is typically going to be lower.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2019/03/u-va-offers-admission-to-23-8-percent-of-applicants

[Anonymous]

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The average SAT score for this year's freshmen average of 1,224 (583 verbal, 641 math).

Even then that wasn’t a top tier SAT score.

I was applying back then. UVA was a tough admit then as was W&M. The other state schools were not too tough. Virginia Tech Engineering has become a tougher admit. Kids didn't apply to nearly as many schools then, so you didn't have these ridiculously low acceptance rates. Ivy League acceptances were probably in the 20% and even 30% (e.g. Penn) range.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

Yes, I do. The Virginia State Council of Higher Education for Virginia provides statistics every year on the incoming enrolled students. Since the stats of the students who actually showed up last fall is the best indicator on which to talk about these things (the stats being lower than the actually enrollees, many of which go Ivy), here they are: The median GPA of the top 25% of the enrolled class of 2018 was a 4.48 (higher than I said); the median 50% is a 4.33 and the bottom median 25th is 4.16. So the bottom 25% of the class walking around UVA last fall had a median 4.16. Since students in NOVA are held to a higher standard and are competing against their own classmates for the sought-after in-state slots, I think it's safe to say you had better have something in the way of a 4.45 unless you are an athlete, URM, legacy, qualify as low-income, play particular musical instrument, etc. Use this chart. Enter UVA and hit update. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Not that the average SAT for last year entering at the 75th percentile is a 1480. For the ACT it is 34. The incoming class this fall will have higher stats. Remember these are the stats of the actual enrolled students not accepted stats which are higher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, the SAT wasn’t re-centered until the late 90s. But PP’s point is the same.

In 1999 the average SAT score of entering students (not admitted, but actually enrolled) was 1470 at Yale, 1375 at Northwestern, and 1310 at UVA.

It was recentered in 1995. You'd have to compare the percentiles of the scores by year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

Yes, I do. The Virginia State Council of Higher Education for Virginia provides statistics every year on the incoming enrolled students. Since the stats of the students who actually showed up last fall is the best indicator on which to talk about these things (the stats being lower than the actually enrollees, many of which go Ivy), here they are: The median GPA of the top 25% of the enrolled class of 2018 was a 4.48 (higher than I said); the median 50% is a 4.33 and the bottom median 25th is 4.16. So the bottom 25% of the class walking around UVA last fall had a median 4.16. Since students in NOVA are held to a higher standard and are competing against their own classmates for the sought-after in-state slots, I think it's safe to say you had better have something in the way of a 4.45 unless you are an athlete, URM, legacy, qualify as low-income, play particular musical instrument, etc. Use this chart. Enter UVA and hit update. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Not that the average SAT for last year entering at the 75th percentile is a 1480. For the ACT it is 34. The incoming class this fall will have higher stats. Remember these are the stats of the actual enrolled students not accepted stats which are higher

Well, when you first say average and then change average to 75th percentile, it is a bit misleading or confusing, isn't it?

Also, note that UVA isn't necessarily alone. 75th percentile at W&M was 1490 and VT was 1370. I wonder what the 75th percentile was for VT engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

Yes, I do. The Virginia State Council of Higher Education for Virginia provides statistics every year on the incoming enrolled students. Since the stats of the students who actually showed up last fall is the best indicator on which to talk about these things (the stats being lower than the actually enrollees, many of which go Ivy), here they are: The median GPA of the top 25% of the enrolled class of 2018 was a 4.48 (higher than I said); the median 50% is a 4.33 and the bottom median 25th is 4.16. So the bottom 25% of the class walking around UVA last fall had a median 4.16. Since students in NOVA are held to a higher standard and are competing against their own classmates for the sought-after in-state slots, I think it's safe to say you had better have something in the way of a 4.45 unless you are an athlete, URM, legacy, qualify as low-income, play particular musical instrument, etc. Use this chart. Enter UVA and hit update. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Not that the average SAT for last year entering at the 75th percentile is a 1480. For the ACT it is 34. The incoming class this fall will have higher stats. Remember these are the stats of the actual enrolled students not accepted stats which are higher

Well, when you first say average and then change average to 75th percentile, it is a bit misleading or confusing, isn't it?

Also, note that UVA isn't necessarily alone. 75th percentile at W&M was 1490 and VT was 1370. I wonder what the 75th percentile was for VT engineering.

Did you choose 75th percentile because 25th percentile is presumably URM, athletes, etc.?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

Yes, I do. The Virginia State Council of Higher Education for Virginia provides statistics every year on the incoming enrolled students. Since the stats of the students who actually showed up last fall is the best indicator on which to talk about these things (the stats being lower than the actually enrollees, many of which go Ivy), here they are: The median GPA of the top 25% of the enrolled class of 2018 was a 4.48 (higher than I said); the median 50% is a 4.33 and the bottom median 25th is 4.16. So the bottom 25% of the class walking around UVA last fall had a median 4.16. Since students in NOVA are held to a higher standard and are competing against their own classmates for the sought-after in-state slots, I think it's safe to say you had better have something in the way of a 4.45 unless you are an athlete, URM, legacy, qualify as low-income, play particular musical instrument, etc. Use this chart. Enter UVA and hit update. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Not that the average SAT for last year entering at the 75th percentile is a 1480. For the ACT it is 34. The incoming class this fall will have higher stats. Remember these are the stats of the actual enrolled students not accepted stats which are higher

Well, when you first say average and then change average to 75th percentile, it is a bit misleading or confusing, isn't it?

Also, note that UVA isn't necessarily alone. 75th percentile at W&M was 1490 and VT was 1370. I wonder what the 75th percentile was for VT engineering.

Did you choose 75th percentile because 25th percentile is presumably URM, athletes, etc.?

And stupid white people. Like yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above matters. The average SAT for the UVA class of 2023 is 1486. And you need a 4.47 to get in from NOVA. My own kid who is entering his fourth year would never get in today - it's changed that much just since his admission three years ago.

You have no way of knowing that.

Yes, I do. The Virginia State Council of Higher Education for Virginia provides statistics every year on the incoming enrolled students. Since the stats of the students who actually showed up last fall is the best indicator on which to talk about these things (the stats being lower than the actually enrollees, many of which go Ivy), here they are: The median GPA of the top 25% of the enrolled class of 2018 was a 4.48 (higher than I said); the median 50% is a 4.33 and the bottom median 25th is 4.16. So the bottom 25% of the class walking around UVA last fall had a median 4.16. Since students in NOVA are held to a higher standard and are competing against their own classmates for the sought-after in-state slots, I think it's safe to say you had better have something in the way of a 4.45 unless you are an athlete, URM, legacy, qualify as low-income, play particular musical instrument, etc. Use this chart. Enter UVA and hit update. http://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp. Not that the average SAT for last year entering at the 75th percentile is a 1480. For the ACT it is 34. The incoming class this fall will have higher stats. Remember these are the stats of the actual enrolled students not accepted stats which are higher

Well, when you first say average and then change average to 75th percentile, it is a bit misleading or confusing, isn't it?

Also, note that UVA isn't necessarily alone. 75th percentile at W&M was 1490 and VT was 1370. I wonder what the 75th percentile was for VT engineering.

Did you choose 75th percentile because 25th percentile is presumably URM, athletes, etc.?

And stupid white people. Like yourself.

I think that was their question. Do stupid white people with stats at the 25th percentile get in?

[Anonymous]

My rich white kid with no hooks but excellent grades got in with SATs below the 25th percentile. Another got in right at the 50th. You don’t need the 75th percentile from NOVA even if you’re an unhooked rich white kid regardless of what you’re hearing.