Fiance - Cat Tension

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Anonymous wrote:I have an indoor/outdoor cat. He is a happy camper.

But are your neighbors or the local wildlife happy? Nope. You’re so selfish....

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No complaint from neighbors. Cat is happy.

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The indoor cat cult is fairly militant with strong opinions.

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Random. Does anyone remember the thread of OP who would post pictures of her baby with the kitty? From years ago. I once tried to search for it and couldn’t find it. :/

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Anonymous wrote:Do cats really stink more than dogs?

I had both and there's nothing worst smelling than cat poop. Dogs are much much better, especially if groomed / bathed monthly.

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Anonymous wrote:No complaint from neighbors. Cat is happy.

Few people understand toxoplasmosis. And those small animals and birds can’t complain, because your cat killed them and they didn’t talk to people anyway. And nobody actually cares about extinction, just like nobody cares about climate change. So we’re all good with your selfishness, aren’t we?

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Anonymous wrote:Do cats really stink more than dogs?

They don't stink at all. They groom themselves constantly and are very clean. That said, the whole litter box thing is a real pain and can really stink if not properly tended to. Mine go outside for that so no litter box here and no cat odors of any kind.

Cats should be kept indoors. They’re a nuisance to your neighbors and have driven many native species to extinction. Plus they get hit by cars. That’s why shelters make you (and we did too) sign something saying you’ll keep the cat indoors.

My outdoor cats are healthy and happy and yes, they kill birds. Meanwhile, no species of bird within a mile of my home is in any danger of going extinct. They really just cull out the dumber, slower birds, bats, chipmunks, rabbits, mice, etc. All of which continue to be in abundance around my property. After man years outside, they have learned to avoid cars and things that may prey on them. I wouldn't have an indoor cat. The ones I see are usually fat and kind of dumb from being deprived of the outdoors.

This claim of, "driven many native species to extinction" is BS. Maybe on some island somewhere but not in this country. Birds are all going to die anyway. They don't live that long. The few that cats kill, and I've seen the wildly exaggerated numbers, hardly make any difference.

This sort of self-serving, ignorant BS is why we can’t get coherent conservation and environmental policies in this country. I bet you don’t believe climate change is “real,” either.

Hundreds of species are near extinction, and some of them live or migrate through your neighborhood. https://abcbirds.org/threat/extinction/. Just because you only notice the robins and cardinals on your way from your door to your car doesn’t mean that’s all that’s out there.

A study by the Smithsonian and the US Fish and Wildlife Service (two staid institutions that hardly produce “wildly exaggerated” estimates like you claim) found that cats kill between 1.3 to 3.7 billion birds and 6.3 to 22.3 billion mammals annually. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_predation_on_wildlife

And let’s be clear what we mean by “kill.” Your cat tortures these animals and birds for the “fun” you think it “needs” to have. Then your cat leaves most of the bodies uneaten because, of course, you already fed it.

So sick of this self-serving BS. Get your cat some toys and a fence, leash or catio. And SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOUR PET. Yep, all pets need enrichment, but that doesn’t translate into a bs “need” to torture small animals.

I've seen the numbers, and they wild speculation at best. They make a lot of really big assumptions about feral cat populations and owned cats who are allowed outside, and how many kills they assign to each cat. Even then, they can only come up with a range of 1.3 to 3.7 billion birds? Out of what total population is never mentioned or even speculated. I'm sorry but I don't find those numbers very credible when you can have a range of 2.4 billion in your numbers. That said, I really don't care so call me whatever you like. I've invited a couple of wild animals to live with me and that's what they do sometimes.

Smithsonian scientists don’t do “wildly inflated.” Plus they give a range because that’s what researchers do (I’m a research economist). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10530-018-1796-y. Moreover, Cats are linked to the extinction of at least 63 species: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/pl....g-many-species-to-extinction/ and threaten hundreds more species that are on the brink of extinction, including numerous species here in the US.

You don’t think it’s a problem that your (non-native) “wild animal” contributes to the torture of “only” a few billion native birds, plus more native wild animals, just for the “fun” you’re too lazy to provide yourself?

You do think your cats’ “fun” trumps your neighbors’ rights? Even when your cats spread toxoplasmosis and obviously unburied feces in your neighbors’ yards?

OK, I’ll call you a science denier, because you’ve drunk the crazy cat lady koolaid and are obstinately turning a blind eye to the conservation issues around your outdoor cat. I’ll also call you a selfish f@ck, just like pp said, because of what your cat is doing to her and others’ yards.

BTW, I'm a man, not a crazy cat lady. I'll deny science when science involves conclusions based on wild speculation. That's what researchers do? Make shit up and guess at numbers? A range of a few billion is not a good indicator that they are anywhere near knowing the true number. Do research economists employ such huge ranges in the data they provide? I hope not or it would be pretty useless data.

They may as well say it's somewhere between a thousand and 10 trillion. And I'm sure it is so they would be right. And again, out of a population of how many birds? And how many birds die of natural causes, including natural predators every year just top put this whole bird death number in perspective. Never mind, if you can't even count the birds, you sure don't know that answer.

My neighbors love my cats and there are no issues with them pooping in the neighbor's yard, mulch, or anywhere else. I've seen where they go in my yard under the pines and they do a great job of burying it. It's what cats do. OK, some cats are assholes and poop in your mulch, but not mine. They are also in perfect health and vaccinated on schedule for everything the vet recommends for an outdoor cat and I treat them every month between their shots. They do not carry toxoplasmosis. Not that it matters, no one is coming in contact with their poop.

I don't care about the 63 species worldwide that have gone extinct. Within the small area my cats roam, no bird is in any danger of going extinct. Please don't tell me they are a threat to the ones who pass by during their long migrations and think it nullifies my argument. I've seen the birds they kill. All native, all in abundance. I really don't care. You haven't convinced me of anything. It's maybe one bird a month for one cat while the other one kills and eats a lot of mice and very few birds. And from what I've seen, death is swift. Really, it's all going to be OK.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if it is one committed cat lady or a group of them who are getting triggered by anyone letting their cat out. It seems to bother them to no end.

If I want my kid to avoid any kind of risk in life I would never let her out of the House. I'm fairly sure that is a life not worth living.

I'm one of them, but not a lady. I think their are at least two others.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if it is one committed cat lady or a group of them who are getting triggered by anyone letting their cat out. It seems to bother them to no end.

If I want my kid to avoid any kind of risk in life I would never let her out of the House. I'm fairly sure that is a life not worth living.

I’m one of them and I count at least 2 others.

Oh yay, another inane platitude from you. Tell us, do you have conversations with your DD about not playing in the street, fighting with the kid next door, or pooping in the neighbors’ gardens? And she understands you? None of this is true for your cat.

You’ve really stuck your head deep in the sand, haven’t you? You refuse to respond to any of the very real issues raised here, like the health issues (toxoplasmosis), the morality of letting your well-fed housecat torture 30+ animals per month, and the nuisance you’re inflicting on your neighbors like the pp who finds all the cat poop in her yard. Nor do you bother to tell us why you’re too lazy to provide indoor enrichment for your pet, or get a cat leash, fence, or catio. All we get from you are inane platitudes like this one.

And THAT is the kind of wild speculation I'm talking about. Mine are both skilled hunters and I've had plenty of outdoor cats in the past. None of them catch anywhere near 30 animals a month. I a good month, maybe 4-6 and that includes mice and other rodents I wish would die in greater numbers. Some months it's nothing. Now take your 30 a month number and guess at how many outdoor/owned cats their are and then make a wild guess at the feral population. Multiply and you should have a number in a range of a few billion. See, you can be a research scientist too. Who needs PhD? It's easy.

Also, WTF is a catio? It sounds like something you put a fat, depressed indoor cat into. I'm not going to bother Googling that one. As for a fence, you really don't know shit about cats do you, while claiming to know all about their shit and where they drop it. Even a 15 foot high fence will not keep a cat contained. Cat on a leash? I'd rather put the poor thing down that subject them to that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an indoor/outdoor cat. He is a happy camper.

They usually are.

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Anonymous wrote:No complaint from neighbors. Cat is happy.

Few people understand toxoplasmosis. And those small animals and birds can’t complain, because your cat killed them and they didn’t talk to people anyway. And nobody actually cares about extinction, just like nobody cares about climate change. So we’re all good with your selfishness, aren’t we?

Are you sure about that? You're right, I don't care about extinction from cats or climate change.

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Anonymous wrote:Random. Does anyone remember the thread of OP who would post pictures of her baby with the kitty? From years ago. I once tried to search for it and couldn’t find it. :/

The baby’s name was Amelia. If you search cat and Amelia it will come up.

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Anonymous wrote:No complaint from neighbors. Cat is happy.

Few people understand toxoplasmosis. And those small animals and birds can’t complain, because your cat killed them and they didn’t talk to people anyway. And nobody actually cares about extinction, just like nobody cares about climate change. So we’re all good with your selfishness, aren’t we?

Are you sure about that? You're right, I don't care about extinction from cats or climate change.

You’re not only selfish, you’re al all-round horrible person. The poster boy for lazy, crazy cat owners.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if it is one committed cat lady or a group of them who are getting triggered by anyone letting their cat out. It seems to bother them to no end.

If I want my kid to avoid any kind of risk in life I would never let her out of the House. I'm fairly sure that is a life not worth living.

I’m one of them and I count at least 2 others.

Oh yay, another inane platitude from you. Tell us, do you have conversations with your DD about not playing in the street, fighting with the kid next door, or pooping in the neighbors’ gardens? And she understands you? None of this is true for your cat.

You’ve really stuck your head deep in the sand, haven’t you? You refuse to respond to any of the very real issues raised here, like the health issues (toxoplasmosis), the morality of letting your well-fed housecat torture 30+ animals per month, and the nuisance you’re inflicting on your neighbors like the pp who finds all the cat poop in her yard. Nor do you bother to tell us why you’re too lazy to provide indoor enrichment for your pet, or get a cat leash, fence, or catio. All we get from you are inane platitudes like this one.

And THAT is the kind of wild speculation I'm talking about. Mine are both skilled hunters and I've had plenty of outdoor cats in the past. None of them catch anywhere near 30 animals a month. I a good month, maybe 4-6 and that includes mice and other rodents I wish would die in greater numbers. Some months it's nothing. Now take your 30 a month number and guess at how many outdoor/owned cats their are and then make a wild guess at the feral population. Multiply and you should have a number in a range of a few billion. See, you can be a research scientist too. Who needs PhD? It's easy.

Also, WTF is a catio? It sounds like something you put a fat, depressed indoor cat into. I'm not going to bother Googling that one. As for a fence, you really don't know shit about cats do you, while claiming to know all about their shit and where they drop it. Even a 15 foot high fence will not keep a cat contained. Cat on a leash? I'd rather put the poor thing down that subject them to that.

So you’re a science denier. MAGA.

Not wild speculation, they followed cats with video cams. Is that “good enough science” for you? Also, this re cat owners denying their cats kill: https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2015-06-pet-owners-reluctant-cats.amp

You even deny pp’s “solid” evidence, that she found 17 piles of cat feces lying on top of her mulch. Yes, the evidence is in, and your cat IS sh!tting all over the neighbors’ yards.

Words fail. You “can’t be bothered” to google “catio.” Nor have you googled “cat fence” because they do exist and are effective.

You’re a science-denier and a poor excuse for a pet owner. Hope your cat doesn’t get hit by a car or freeze to death in the next few days.

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Anonymous wrote:No complaint from neighbors. Cat is happy.

Few people understand toxoplasmosis. And those small animals and birds can’t complain, because your cat killed them and they didn’t talk to people anyway. And nobody actually cares about extinction, just like nobody cares about climate change. So we’re all good with your selfishness, aren’t we?

Are you sure about that? You're right, I don't care about extinction from cats or climate change.[/quote]

Well this explains a whole lot. A science-denying MAGAt.