New Report on Racial and Economic Diversity in DC public and charter schools

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t deny that the ‘acting white’ slur holds back some kids. How to stamp out pernicious attitudes like this?

how about we stamp out the systematic racism that made "acting white" a thing in the first place? k thanks bye.

How about we stamp out all that paranoia about skin color and race that made systematic racism a thing in the first place?

So Jim Crow, sunset towns, redlining and the foreclosure crisis fueled by banks targeting what they described as “mud people” are due to “paranoia”? You might want to check yourself and learn a little history and current affairs.

Is this Nikole Hannah-Jones the race baiter?

1. No one forced anyone to take out those stupid loans that's all on people making dumb financial decisions

2. The vast majority of people don't receive parental help

3. It's 2018 in almost all major companies people are judged by performance and if anything some minorities are actually given more opportunities

Quit worrying about race and work hard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A couple posters have touched on this but here's the thing: housing demand and costs are rising across most of DC, including at the top end, generally west of Rock Creek Park, and there is much greater participation in DCPS west of Rock Creek Park overall.

Higher-bracket incomes and race are highly correlated in this area - we know it skews heavily white with the rest of the demographic mix you see at your professional jobs. Overlay that with historical segregation, and there is minimal economic diversity west of Rock Creek Park and the racial and demographic trends correlated with that.

This means that all the "diversity" west of Rock Creek Park (that isn't assimilated/high income) is people taking the excess capacity seats in these DCPS schools. But we are quickly approaching the time when there is no excess capacity.

So if you want diversity, you have to engineer access rules like the lottery or boundaries differently. It's mostly unfixable because it comes at the nexus of geography, income, and race.

My view as someone with kids in the feeder systems further east is to give up on the segregated west. the factors that exclude us are unfixable. Those schools aren't a solution and there's much more to be gained by integrating schools east of Rock Creek Park and helping your neighborhood schools.

We think of diversity as the icing, but academic quality is the cake. When push come to shove, we'll take the cake.

Well, then. Allow me to let you eat it.

We can have our cake and eat it, too. But not the icing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A couple posters have touched on this but here's the thing: housing demand and costs are rising across most of DC, including at the top end, generally west of Rock Creek Park, and there is much greater participation in DCPS west of Rock Creek Park overall.

Higher-bracket incomes and race are highly correlated in this area - we know it skews heavily white with the rest of the demographic mix you see at your professional jobs. Overlay that with historical segregation, and there is minimal economic diversity west of Rock Creek Park and the racial and demographic trends correlated with that.

This means that all the "diversity" west of Rock Creek Park (that isn't assimilated/high income) is people taking the excess capacity seats in these DCPS schools. But we are quickly approaching the time when there is no excess capacity.

So if you want diversity, you have to engineer access rules like the lottery or boundaries differently. It's mostly unfixable because it comes at the nexus of geography, income, and race.

My view as someone with kids in the feeder systems further east is to give up on the segregated west. the factors that exclude us are unfixable. Those schools aren't a solution and there's much more to be gained by integrating schools east of Rock Creek Park and helping your neighborhood schools.

We think of diversity as the icing, but academic quality is the cake. When push come to shove, we'll take the cake.

Well, then. Allow me to let you eat it.

Plenty of parents, regardless of race/ethnicity, would choose the cake over the icing. It would be great to have both. But plain cake will get you a job without the icing. Icing alone? Not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A couple posters have touched on this but here's the thing: housing demand and costs are rising across most of DC, including at the top end, generally west of Rock Creek Park, and there is much greater participation in DCPS west of Rock Creek Park overall.

Higher-bracket incomes and race are highly correlated in this area - we know it skews heavily white with the rest of the demographic mix you see at your professional jobs. Overlay that with historical segregation, and there is minimal economic diversity west of Rock Creek Park and the racial and demographic trends correlated with that.

This means that all the "diversity" west of Rock Creek Park (that isn't assimilated/high income) is people taking the excess capacity seats in these DCPS schools. But we are quickly approaching the time when there is no excess capacity.

So if you want diversity, you have to engineer access rules like the lottery or boundaries differently. It's mostly unfixable because it comes at the nexus of geography, income, and race.

My view as someone with kids in the feeder systems further east is to give up on the segregated west. the factors that exclude us are unfixable. Those schools aren't a solution and there's much more to be gained by integrating schools east of Rock Creek Park and helping your neighborhood schools.

We think of diversity as the icing, but academic quality is the cake. When push come to shove, we'll take the cake.

Well, then. Allow me to let you eat it.

We can have our cake and eat it, too. But not the icing.

Actually, I was being Marie Antoinette to your peasantry. It’s just so hard to taunt peasants who haven’t noticed they’re starving yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t deny that the ‘acting white’ slur holds back some kids. How to stamp out pernicious attitudes like this?

how about we stamp out the systematic racism that made "acting white" a thing in the first place? k thanks bye.

How about we stamp out all that paranoia about skin color and race that made systematic racism a thing in the first place?

So Jim Crow, sunset towns, redlining and the foreclosure crisis fueled by banks targeting what they described as “mud people” are due to “paranoia”? You might want to check yourself and learn a little history and current affairs.

Is this Nikole Hannah-Jones the race baiter?

1. No one forced anyone to take out those stupid loans that's all on people making dumb financial decisions

2. The vast majority of people don't receive parental help

3. It's 2018 in almost all major companies people are judged by performance and if anything some minorities are actually given more opportunities

Quit worrying about race and work hard

Hahahhahahahaha! Oh, well. This was an interesting thread for a little while.

[Anonymous]

There’s something to be said for less whining and more winning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t deny that the ‘acting white’ slur holds back some kids. How to stamp out pernicious attitudes like this?

how about we stamp out the systematic racism that made "acting white" a thing in the first place? k thanks bye.

How about we stamp out all that paranoia about skin color and race that made systematic racism a thing in the first place?

So Jim Crow, sunset towns, redlining and the foreclosure crisis fueled by banks targeting what they described as “mud people” are due to “paranoia”? You might want to check yourself and learn a little history and current affairs.

Is this Nikole Hannah-Jones the race baiter?

1. No one forced anyone to take out those stupid loans that's all on people making dumb financial decisions

2. The vast majority of people don't receive parental help

3. It's 2018 in almost all major companies people are judged by performance and if anything some minorities are actually given more opportunities

Quit worrying about race and work hard

I’m, I’m the PP you are referring to, and I’m a wealthy white male business owner in my 50s.

1. I’m certain that you don’t understand much of what you signed when you bought your home. If I hired lawyers to target your demographic as Wells Fargo did, I could easily “force [you] to take out those stupid loans.”

2. No one mentione parental help. Freudian slip there? What did mommy and daddy do for you? In my case, we got the down payment to buy our first rental property as a gift from in-laws, and the CEO of the NYSE-listed company that gave me my first job used to work for my dad (which I found out years later). That’s how wealth works. If you look at how middle class Americans accumulate wealth, most of it is through home equity. Mortgage and insurance redlining and covenants in deeds meant that until relatively recently, this path to accumulating wealth wa totally closed to most black families. Denying this is silly.

3. The privately held firm that was my first client when I opened my business used to be owned by a conservative billionaire who was a GOP mega-donor. Until he died, the had virtually no employees of color even on the factory floor. This is extremely common in privately held companies.

I’ve worked hard enough in my life to be secure enough to admit what a leg up I got from my family and my ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On a different tack when we talk about limited school capacity west of the Park - does anyone talk about new charters west of Rock Creek Park? Does PCSB have any known positive or negative views about this?

I think the odds are higher than most people here will anticipate. I was in a recent meeting with Bowser where she talked about the possibility of another WoTP high school. She insisted that such a decision would driven by the population growth (i.e. over-crowding at Wilson).

However, based on her other comments that night, I would extrapolate that any new WOTP high school will likely be open to all of DC. Bowser is big on this, keeping the pathways to WOTP schools open to motivated families throughout the District. I could, potentially, see a magnet charter HS opening WOTP. Ideally, it would combine by-right and application set-asides. For example, promise that 50% of seats are set aside for Hardy students and 50% held for District-wide applications. That would balance diversity, equity, and proximity goals. Any Hardy kids not making the cut-off would still retain rights to Wilson.

Again, DCPS and Bowser needs to lead with carrots, not sticks.

This would only work if District-wide spots were awarded competitively, magnet style, to those applicants with the best academic records, so that students are well-prepared and highly motivated. Otherwise, Upper Northwest parents would never buy it. Those who send their kids to Hardy stomach it, knowing that while it is not on par with Deal at least their kids go on to Wilson. But if a new WOTP becomes just a bigger and badder version of Hardy, with students whose preparation is more spotty and attitude is less attuned to learning, then this will be a worse outcome for Northwest students.

Seems particularly unjust to say that if you live in the neighborhood, you get to go to the school no matter what your academic record is, but if you live anywhere else in the city, you have to test in.

This is why all billingual schools need to be citywide. Specialized education for wealthy neighborhoods, others have to win an OOB lottery more difficult than the charters. We need equal opportunity!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

how many racial and economic diverse areas exist in DC I'm serious. Columbia Heights that's it. The few other places where this exists are just in various stages of gentrification on the way to becoming higher SES

do you go to your neighborhood school?

Dude, that's what the ENTIRE REPORT is about. Read it.

???? all of this is some liberal pipe dream. Look this is about housing policy. DC and other major cities are extremely segregated economically and racially. Noone wants an all lottery system. SF mentioned multiple times on this thread. Until people actually start settling and living in diverse ways this is all a waste of time. The best you can do is to try and keep more higher income people in the system. Its happening naturally over time due to gentrification.

I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and we come full circle

What this is really about sour grapes from folks who can't afford to live WOTP and are stuck in a mediocre school situation

Most of you would probably be better off in the suburbs instead of trying to force schools to be how you would like them to be

and of course the ultimate irony is if you could convince your neighbors to actually embrace the neighborhood school all these issues go away

Specifically looking at Capitol Hill and Brooklyn folks

No, actually, this is about racial and economic diversity in DC public and charter schools. I actually CAN afford to move, but I prefer to stay where and I am. And wow, I actually care about other people!

how many racial and economic diverse areas exist in DC I'm serious. Columbia Heights that's it. The few other places where this exists are just in various stages of gentrification on the way to becoming higher SES

do you go to your neighborhood school?

Dude, that's what the ENTIRE REPORT is about. Read it.

???? all of this is some liberal pipe dream. Look this is about housing policy. DC and other major cities are extremely segregated economically and racially. Noone wants an all lottery system. SF mentioned multiple times on this thread. Until people actually start settling and living in diverse ways this is all a waste of time. The best you can do is to try and keep more higher income people in the system. Its happening naturally over time due to gentrification.

I do.

The only reason to want a citywide lottery is if one happened to buy or rent in a totally crappy school zone so that a lottery may well better one’s chances. But no one in aqua Park would support a system that could randomly send their kids to Marion Barion High, believe me! They will move from DC or more likely, they will fire any mayor who embraced a lottery system.

[Anonymous]

AU Park

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People who have saved and stretched to live in the Janney district will not accept having their kids randomly assigned to a poorly performing school. That’s like taking away their investment without compensation.

Period.

[Anonymous]

Wilson may be “diverse” but for the most part, the white kids and the black kids do not socialise together. There is some mixing but not as much as you would expect. I don’t think you can force this stuff. Also, the principal seems to hate that Wilson is supposedly a neighborhood school as she is always complaining about all the entitled white kids. She keeps wanting to create more on-level (not challenging) classes for the lowest performing kids and has no interest in more advanced options for kids who need more than what Wilson is offering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wilson may be “diverse” but for the most part, the white kids and the black kids do not socialise together. There is some mixing but not as much as you would expect. I don’t think you can force this stuff. Also, the principal seems to hate that Wilson is supposedly a neighborhood school as she is always complaining about all the entitled white kids. She keeps wanting to create more on-level (not challenging) classes for the lowest performing kids and has no interest in more advanced options for kids who need more than what Wilson is offering.

Jeez. She should have been fired a long time ago. An incompetent principal and a race baiter to boot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wilson may be “diverse” but for the most part, the white kids and the black kids do not socialise together. There is some mixing but not as much as you would expect. I don’t think you can force this stuff. Also, the principal seems to hate that Wilson is supposedly a neighborhood school as she is always complaining about all the entitled white kids. She keeps wanting to create more on-level (not challenging) classes for the lowest performing kids and has no interest in more advanced options for kids who need more than what Wilson is offering.

Jeez. She should have been fired a long time ago. An incompetent principal and a race baiter to boot.