The Other VA publics: CNU, GM, JMU, Radford, ODU, UMW, VCU
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Anonymous
I think this data point shows the strong preference for the densely populated northern virginia not to go too close to home (GMU) if they can go elsewhere. The UMW point is more a matter of size--more students are going to go to a big university than a quirky small one--even if they considered both. |
Anonymous
Blah blah blah. Here are the actual numbers: UVA: out of state 33 percent JMU: out of state 27 percent UVA from Fairfax/Loudoun/Arlington: 26 percent JMU: 23 percent So, both more out of state at UVA and more from NOVA. A wash out. And those OOS students at UVA are wicked smart -- a lot smarter than what you'll find at JMU. |
Anonymous
Size certainly likely is the driver for JMU vs. UMW. But among those who do want a small college (and can't get into W&M), that site suggests CNU is preferred over UMW (81% choose CNU in that comparison) |
Anonymous
Based on what metric exactly? I guess we will just take your word for it. This may be a factor for OOS students. Maybe the smarter ones are those paying over $100k less for a degree. UVA OOS - $65k JMU OOS - $$39k |
Anonymous
Only because JMU's reputation isn't strong enough for it to charge higher OOS tuition. There's not one out of state student at JMU who wouldn't rather be at UVA. UVA's 25th percentile on the SAT (1330) is 50 points higher than JMU's 75th (1280). That's why JMU doesn't really stand for Just Missed UVA. There's simply no overlap bewteen the student bodies at these schools in terms of academic qualifications. |
Anonymous
I think I'm not being clear. My argument was that for some students going to an in-state school feels like high school 2.0--compared to venturing out to the midwest, south, or west coast--or even just another eastern state. In my initial post, I suggested that a student who didn't get into UVA or W&M might go out of state over JMU, not because a school is so much better but because one factor they consider is that an out-of-state school feels more different than high school. When people asked what I meant by that, thinking I was saying something specific about JMU being particularly "high school 2.0" -- I was clarifying that it was more about any in-state public being more similar to one's high school than an OOS school. In VA for many public schools, about a 1/4 or more of students come from NOVA and that can give it a certain familiar feel. (For instance, I've heard this about W&M--a feeling that it's NOVA heavy). I'm not saying anything about how smart anyone is or how amazing a school is. My kid will opt to go to UVA or W&M if he gets in (his stats of 4.3/1400 put him in the running for both--but not sure thing). But if he doesn't get in, he wants to go out of state (there are places where he's likely to get merit aid) just for the experience of being in another state over going to JMU or VTech. We're able to provide 30k/yr wherever he goes so he has to figure out how to make the financial part work. |
Anonymous
| This thread really feels like it's deteriorated to "mine is bigger than yours" quality. |
Anonymous
Do hear how ridiculous you sound? UVA is not for everyone - can you not comprehend that or were you brainwashed during your 4 years there. |
Anonymous
The SCHEV site does have average SAT scores by residence. UVA OOS average is 215 points higher than JMU. VT is 106 points higher than JMU. W&M is 254 points higher. |
Anonymous
Thanks for clarifying. Now I understand, and I totally agree. In fact, that was my daughter's thinking in a nutshell. |
Anonymous
I didn't go to UVA. Two of my kids did. |
Anonymous
I agree. This was my feeling applying to colleges in CA when I was a senior. We lived in the LA area so I didn't even apply to UCLA. Just too close to home. But at least in CA, Northern CA feels like a different state than Southern. I actually ended up at Cal Poly SLO which is pretty evenly divided North/South and virtually all my friends ended up being from the North. |
Anonymous
That's not the intent. The intent is honesty on an anonymous board. No kid with UVA caliber stats wants to go to JMU. Or VCU. Or GMU. You get the picture. They just plain don't. You need a very strong record for UVA, and the kids who work hard enough (or are blessed enough intellectually) to accumulate that record are simply aiming higher than the other schools. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the other schools; it's just reality. |
Anonymous
No dog in this fight - both kids went out-of-state and wanted to see another part of the country. However, there are most definitely SOME kids with UVA caliber stats who prefer JMU, primarily because it has a friendlier and less socially elitist reputation than UVA. Just as some kids turn down Ivies for UVA because they prefer warmer weather and ACC basketball, even though Ivy admits generally have stronger credentials than UVA admits. So your "reality" is neither correct nor particularly honest. It just suits your agenda, which is to differentiate UVA from other state schools. |
Anonymous
I agree that some kids just want to experience something new or get out of Dodge for a bit. I did that for graduate school. In an ideal world we wouldn't be as focused on rankings and more focused on fit, but most of us are that way by nature. |