The Other VA publics: CNU, GM, JMU, Radford, ODU, UMW, VCU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in finance, and the only school I've ever worked with people from on that list is JMU. I would not send my kid to any of the other schools on that list unless I had no other options.

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So if your kids wanted engineering you wouldn’t send them to VT for engineering. Right. Gotcha.

[Anonymous]

I went to UMW when it was MWC. The professors were largely outstanding and 85% of my classes were seminar-sized. I think I had a few surveys -- English, Bio, Geography -- that were 150 kids, and I still was able to talk to the professors. In fact, I keep in touch with one professor to this day.

It was not very hard to get into, and there were many more women than men, but I enjoyed the small LAC feel and made good friends. It was not difficult to find a group of people I felt at home with, which is to say it was reasonably diverse. It was not a commuter college at all, despite people saying that it is.

I also had a number of friends at GMU. It was not much to consider in the late 90s but I gather that it is a more robust option these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC, current college freshmen, really liked CNU and was offered $10k/year in merit aide. Kids seem very attracted to how new and nice everything, especially the dorms, are. Ultimately, he opted for something bigger. I'd say it's a good option if you're looking for something smaller.

I hear this a lot about CNU. Lots of shiny buildings and a nice campus, but...where's the beef?

This was a few years ago, but the dealkiller for us when we toured CNU was when the tour guides - very nice seniors - basically admitted that campus recruiting was minimal and the career placement office was weak. The school does have a nice LAC feel for a state university and it seemed like it could be a solid choice for someone with a clear path, such as music education, in mind.

OP here. Definitely going to make sure my kid asks about career center, recruitment, grad school acceptances. I freely confess I never darkened the door of my college's career center when I attended, but it should absolutely be a factor to consider.
I'll report back to this thread to see if there's any improvement in this area from PP's visit a few years ago.
Thanks to everyone who's contributing to the thread, particularly those that are not just putting in one line bashing comments without any context!

[Anonymous]

I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

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+2. I think GMU gets looked down on in NOVA because it is our “local” college and people are thinking circa 2005. Being a metro ride from DC and all the internship options, and in a highly educated diverse area, I think kids from NOVA below the top 10% but in the top 1/3 of FCPS would love to go— if it wasn’t so close to home and where they grew up. It’s CS school has a great reputation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

+1

+2. I think GMU gets looked down on in NOVA because it is our “local” college and people are thinking circa 2005. Being a metro ride from DC and all the internship options, and in a highly educated diverse area, I think kids from NOVA below the top 10% but in the top 1/3 of FCPS would love to go— if it wasn’t so close to home and where they grew up. It’s CS school has a great reputation.

Eh. No thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in finance, and the only school I've ever worked with people from on that list is JMU. I would not send my kid to any of the other schools on that list unless I had no other options.

+1

So if your kids wanted engineering you wouldn’t send them to VT for engineering. Right. Gotcha.

I would be thrilled if my kids got into WM, VT or UVA. They weren't on OP's list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

+1

+2. I think GMU gets looked down on in NOVA because it is our “local” college and people are thinking circa 2005. Being a metro ride from DC and all the internship options, and in a highly educated diverse area, I think kids from NOVA below the top 10% but in the top 1/3 of FCPS would love to go— if it wasn’t so close to home and where they grew up. It’s CS school has a great reputation.

Eh. No thanks.

Agree. IT's a commuter school with no real campus or identity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

+1

+2. I think GMU gets looked down on in NOVA because it is our “local” college and people are thinking circa 2005. Being a metro ride from DC and all the internship options, and in a highly educated diverse area, I think kids from NOVA below the top 10% but in the top 1/3 of FCPS would love to go— if it wasn’t so close to home and where they grew up. It’s CS school has a great reputation.

Eh. No thanks.

Agree. IT's a commuter school with no real campus or identity.

I have issues with George Mason because of the heavy influence of the Koch brothers.

[Anonymous]

Seriously- all of the schools are good and only a couple of the VA state schools are going to make a difference in getting the first foot in the door when these kids go on to get a career. From that point on, it's up to the person to succeed.

I have friends whose oldest son went to UVA and the second son went to JMU- both in business programs. The JMU son is by far the more successful and the parents keeps saying he got a better education in JMU's business school. Knowing both those kids (I wouldn't say this to them), the younger son is clearly the one with the bigger personality and drive and I understand why he's done so well compared to his older brother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of the group you listed:

Tier 1: JMU, GMU. Both up-and-coming (some may say already arrived).

Tier 2: CNU, UMW, VCU. Solid but not quite there yet. CNU and UMW are smaller and have that LAC feel to them.

Tier 3: Radford, ODU. Meh. Radford particularly is not worth the effort to get there (it's past VT).

And this leaves out a bunch of other Virginia publics, including Longwood. VMI and the HSBCs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been watching GMU's progress over the past decade or so (I live nearby, use the gym, go to various events, took some graduate courses there for work, and have worked with some new hires from there) and it's been incredible to see the changes. It used to feel very much like a graduate heavy school--lots of master's and PhD programs--and a lot of commuter undergrads. There are now over 6000 students living on campus, so it's bustling all the time--even though a lot of students still commute (there's over 20K students) The diversity--and interaction between students from diverse groups--is impressive--not just racial/ethnic but also viewpoints. The new president Angel Cabrera is dynamic. They have a strong entrepreneurial push with lots of students starting up projects. Their pep band led by Doc Nix is very fun. There's a large group of international students. If feels different than just 5 years ago.
It has recently got R1 status (I think it's the one of the youngest institutions to do so)--which means it's one of the 115 most research intensive schools in the country, and many of its graduates earn quite a bit. The students strike me as serious. We've hired some CS/IT grads in our firm (a govt--IT consulting group) and they are quite good--hard workers, competent, able to pick up things. They aren't quite as articulate/polished as some of our recent hires from higher ranked schools (VTech and UVA), but they also don't seem as pampered. More pragmatic and able to get along and get things done.

+1

+2. I think GMU gets looked down on in NOVA because it is our “local” college and people are thinking circa 2005. Being a metro ride from DC and all the internship options, and in a highly educated diverse area, I think kids from NOVA below the top 10% but in the top 1/3 of FCPS would love to go— if it wasn’t so close to home and where they grew up. It’s CS school has a great reputation.

Eh. No thanks.

Agree. IT's a commuter school with no real campus or identity.

I have issues with George Mason because of the heavy influence of the Koch brothers.

The Koch Bros. have only contributed to the Mercatus Center which operates in its own bubble GMU, and only impacts the economics dept. The also have connections to the Law School. The rest of the university is really apart from it. GMU's faculty senate are the ones who have raised most of the critiques of Koch Bros. gifts. But I wouldn't want to send a kid who was studying econ because of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the group you listed:

Tier 1: JMU, GMU. Both up-and-coming (some may say already arrived).

Tier 2: CNU, UMW, VCU. Solid but not quite there yet. CNU and UMW are smaller and have that LAC feel to them.

Tier 3: Radford, ODU. Meh. Radford particularly is not worth the effort to get there (it's past VT).

And this leaves out a bunch of other Virginia publics, including Longwood. VMI and the HSBCs

OP again. Feel free to add any information you have about the other Virginia publics. I admit that I deliberately left off VMI, as it’s a very particular school for people looking for something very specific. For the others—have at it!

[Anonymous]

What about Patrick Henry college?