Are east coast/DC/NYC guys just less "manly"??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A guy can be masculine without being violent. But there is more violence in cultures that are more concerned about masculinity.

"Prior research has connected the cultural ideology of honor to intrasexual violence between men and to attitudes supporting intersexual aggression in response to perceived honor violations by female romantic partners. We extend this research to show that honor ideology is also associated with an increased likelihood of men actually engaging in violent and sexually coercive behaviors toward women. Extending previous research on honor-based schemas and scripts linked to relationship violence, comparisons between honor states and non-honor states in the United States show that official rape and domestic homicide rates by White male perpetrators (Study 1) and experiences of rape and violence in relationships anonymously reported by White female teenagers (Study 2) were higher in honor states, controlling for a variety of potential confounds. These results extend prior laboratory research on honor-based schemas and scripts into the realm of extreme, real-world behaviors."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29241416

The study is regarding a cultural ideology of honor" NOT masculinity. Your post is misleading at best, a blatant attempt at lying at worse.

You're a moron if you think honor and masculinity aren't tied together.

So women (feminine) have no honor. Idiot, you were deflecting and got called on it. Masculinity and violence are not mutually inclusive. Poor thing what happened to you to make you so scared of men? Did you read anything other than the lame abstract you posted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A guy can be masculine without being violent. But there is more violence in cultures that are more concerned about masculinity.

"Prior research has connected the cultural ideology of honor to intrasexual violence between men and to attitudes supporting intersexual aggression in response to perceived honor violations by female romantic partners. We extend this research to show that honor ideology is also associated with an increased likelihood of men actually engaging in violent and sexually coercive behaviors toward women. Extending previous research on honor-based schemas and scripts linked to relationship violence, comparisons between honor states and non-honor states in the United States show that official rape and domestic homicide rates by White male perpetrators (Study 1) and experiences of rape and violence in relationships anonymously reported by White female teenagers (Study 2) were higher in honor states, controlling for a variety of potential confounds. These results extend prior laboratory research on honor-based schemas and scripts into the realm of extreme, real-world behaviors."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29241416

The study is regarding a cultural ideology of honor" NOT masculinity. Your post is misleading at best, a blatant attempt at lying at worse.

You're a moron if you think honor and masculinity aren't tied together.

Well we alll who the moron is. Some day you will come over and join us the real world. Just leave your feminist crap over there with the other morons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many guys enjoy the drama, especially from Axis II types. I guess it keeps things interesting!

You dont have to be an Axis II type. But most men love it. Think Scarlett O'Hara. They eat up drama, as much as they pretend to be above it.

+1

I've finally accepted that my husband doesn't actually want things to go *too* smoothly between us. He wants me to be a bitch to him and for me to keep him in line by being bitchy. I even started a thread about this once and everyone acted like I was crazy. I've learned to be a bitch in a way that doesn't seem to over the top, kind of like a sexy yet disapproving teacher. He eats out of my hand now. C'est la vie.

Sure sure just like the woman who husband does the same thing. We know what you are.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many guys enjoy the drama, especially from Axis II types. I guess it keeps things interesting!

You dont have to be an Axis II type. But most men love it. Think Scarlett O'Hara. They eat up drama, as much as they pretend to be above it.

+1

I've finally accepted that my husband doesn't actually want things to go *too* smoothly between us. He wants me to be a bitch to him and for me to keep him in line by being bitchy. I even started a thread about this once and everyone acted like I was crazy. I've learned to be a bitch in a way that doesn't seem to over the top, kind of like a sexy yet disapproving teacher. He eats out of my hand now. C'est la vie.

Sure sure just like the woman who husband does the same thing. We know what you are.

The translation from DCUM to Human of her post goes like this:
"I nagged and bitched at my husband because I want everything my way and would disrupt the household, in fact the whole family if I didn't get it. Luckily I have no respect for him as a human being and his mommy had properly feminized him. After a while he finally gave up and realized the alternative was a nagging, disruptive wife disrupting the house and effecting the children. I act like it but inside think he is a sissy. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many guys enjoy the drama, especially from Axis II types. I guess it keeps things interesting!

You dont have to be an Axis II type. But most men love it. Think Scarlett O'Hara. They eat up drama, as much as they pretend to be above it.

+1

I've finally accepted that my husband doesn't actually want things to go *too* smoothly between us. He wants me to be a bitch to him and for me to keep him in line by being bitchy. I even started a thread about this once and everyone acted like I was crazy. I've learned to be a bitch in a way that doesn't seem to over the top, kind of like a sexy yet disapproving teacher. He eats out of my hand now. C'est la vie.

Sure sure just like the woman who husband does the same thing. We know what you are.

The translation from DCUM to Human of her post goes like this:
"I nagged and bitched at my husband because I want everything my way and would disrupt the household, in fact the whole family if I didn't get it. Luckily I have no respect for him as a human being and his mommy had properly feminized him. After a while he finally gave up and realized the alternative was a nagging, disruptive wife disrupting the house and effecting the children. I act like it but inside think he is a sissy. "

Seek help for your issues. There's a whole world out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has a son should want stereotypes about masculinity to be challenged. It’s leading to violence and all kinds of problems because men think it’s only ok to express anger or apathy. Most men want something more and when they can’t get it, have a greater risk of difficulties with addiction, divorce, sexual assault. Read the recent nyt article by Andrew Reiner. Or the secret life of Boys by Niobe way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/well/family/talking-to-boys-the-way-we-talk-to-girls.html

I’m really saddened by how narrowly we, as women, define what is masculine. I mean can you imagine the reaction if a man today said that a woman who did not keep the home churning (cooking, cleaning) and was not fallen all over herself to be with her children every minut was not feminine? And there many, many women in our area who match that description. The truth is, we will not progress in the workplace, at home, etc until we give boys space to grow up to be more than provider, fixers, and all this other tropes. For crying out loud, OP, complained that she meets guys who read books rather than watch TV (sports).

I agree! My own 16 year old son says that in his impression, cultural ideas of masculinity mean that you don’t like school and you pretend you’re dumb. He said many of his male friends would never admit they like English or even biology!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who has a son should want stereotypes about masculinity to be challenged. It’s leading to violence and all kinds of problems because men think it’s only ok to express anger or apathy. Most men want something more and when they can’t get it, have a greater risk of difficulties with addiction, divorce, sexual assault. Read the recent nyt article by Andrew Reiner. Or the secret life of Boys by Niobe way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/well/family/talking-to-boys-the-way-we-talk-to-girls.html

I’m really saddened by how narrowly we, as women, define what is masculine. I mean can you imagine the reaction if a man today said that a woman who did not keep the home churning (cooking, cleaning) and was not fallen all over herself to be with her children every minut was not feminine? And there many, many women in our area who match that description. The truth is, we will not progress in the workplace, at home, etc until we give boys space to grow up to be more than provider, fixers, and all this other tropes. For crying out loud, OP, complained that she meets guys who read books rather than watch TV (sports).

I agree! My own 16 year old son says that in his impression, cultural ideas of masculinity mean that you don’t like school and you pretend you’re dumb. He said many of his male friends would never admit they like English or even biology!

I'm a girl and I did the same thing in HS! It's called not being a nerd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many guys enjoy the drama, especially from Axis II types. I guess it keeps things interesting!

You dont have to be an Axis II type. But most men love it. Think Scarlett O'Hara. They eat up drama, as much as they pretend to be above it.

+1

I've finally accepted that my husband doesn't actually want things to go *too* smoothly between us. He wants me to be a bitch to him and for me to keep him in line by being bitchy. I even started a thread about this once and everyone acted like I was crazy. I've learned to be a bitch in a way that doesn't seem to over the top, kind of like a sexy yet disapproving teacher. He eats out of my hand now. C'est la vie.

Sure sure just like the woman who husband does the same thing. We know what you are.

The translation from DCUM to Human of her post goes like this:
"I nagged and bitched at my husband because I want everything my way and would disrupt the household, in fact the whole family if I didn't get it. Luckily I have no respect for him as a human being and his mommy had properly feminized him. After a while he finally gave up and realized the alternative was a nagging, disruptive wife disrupting the house and effecting the children. I act like it but inside think he is a sissy. "

Seek help for your issues. There's a whole world out there.

Haha, typical DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read this whole thread and now feel stupider. 20:13 is one of the few posters who make sense.

Relax DC ladyboi, you probably were not as smart as you thought you were before you read it.

Don't feed the TROLLS, people!