Two paths to magnet program at Richard Montgomery High School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

Good god.. How is that possible?? Gap between RMIB and regular kids that wide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

Good god.. How is that possible?? Gap between RMIB and regular kids that wide?

It's not, that PP is a nut.

To OP's point, here's what appears to be the explainer sheet that was sent with IB transcripts last year: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/aboutys/2016-17%20IB_Insert.pdf
It says there were 133 IB degree candidates in 2016 (118 successful) and given that 125 freshmen are admitted by application that means at least 8 local students joined (plus whatever it takes to replace attrition from the magnet). The back door may exist but it's not so significant. Yep, thirteen pages of back and forth about 8 interlopers (give or take).

[Anonymous]

From article 5, Responsibilities of IB World Schools:
5.6 It is the practice of the IB Organization to make its programmes available to all students from IB World
Schools. No student will be excluded by the IB Organization on the grounds of race, nationality or
national origin, ethnicity, culture, gender, age, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, political beliefs,
disability or any other personal characteristic as prohibited by law. Schools must implement their
duties under these rules in a manner that enables this practice to be upheld.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From article 5, Responsibilities of IB World Schools:
5.6 It is the practice of the IB Organization to make its programmes available to all students from IB World
Schools. No student will be excluded by the IB Organization on the grounds of race, nationality or
national origin, ethnicity, culture, gender, age, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, political beliefs,
disability or any other personal characteristic as prohibited by law. Schools must implement their
duties under these rules in a manner that enables this practice to be upheld.

5.7 It is the practice of the IB Organization to make its assessment available to all candidates from IB World Schools who have fulfilled the school’s and the IB Organization’s academic requirements and paid the required fees to register for an IB examination session. No candidate will be excluded by the IB Organization on the grounds of race, nationality or national origin, ethnicity, culture, gender, age, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, political beliefs, disability or any other personal characteristic as prohibited by law. Schools must implement their duties under these rules in a manner that enables this practice to be upheld.

While 5.6 and 5.7 together says that the school cannot discriminate anyone on the basis of race, gender, culture etc. However it can place its requirements for the IB program/assessment.

If magnet program hosting violates IBO requirements RM should request the magnet program be moved from RM to somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

It looks the exclusive IB magnet at RM is over. The magnetic force that has been attracting the most brilliant students in mcps is losing its power. RM has become a strong high school during the past twn years so it doesnt need the magnet students to lift its test score any more.

[Anonymous]

Y'all, every year shortly before application deadlines and then again right before acceptance deadlines, someone comes on DCUM creating a hysterical fuss that RMIB, Blair, Eastern, and TPMS are being "watered down," comprehensive kids are being allowed to take magnet classes in masses, they are dangerous, there's an abusive teacher who will ruin the kids' gpas, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all, every year shortly before application deadlines and then again right before acceptance deadlines, someone comes on DCUM creating a hysterical fuss that RMIB, Blair, Eastern, and TPMS are being "watered down," comprehensive kids are being allowed to take magnet classes in masses, they are dangerous, there's an abusive teacher who will ruin the kids' gpas, etc.

I have not read the threads on RM before to understand its implications to application. I do not believe the issues I have raised will affect the application numbers and it certainly has no gain for me. This thread is not to discourage anyone from applying. It is to ask relevant questions to RM admin and MCPS so that parents apply and decide with complete information. RM magnet program has been changing over the last 3/4 years drastically and parents should not be kept in dark about its short term and long term effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

Good god.. How is that possible?? Gap between RMIB and regular kids that wide?

It's not, that PP is a nut.

To OP's point, here's what appears to be the explainer sheet that was sent with IB transcripts last year: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/aboutys/2016-17%20IB_Insert.pdf
It says there were 133 IB degree candidates in 2016 (118 successful) and given that 125 freshmen are admitted by application that means at least 8 local students joined (plus whatever it takes to replace attrition from the magnet). The back door may exist but it's not so significant. Yep, thirteen pages of back and forth about 8 interlopers (give or take).

It might be that wide on the 2400 pint scale

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

Good god.. How is that possible?? Gap between RMIB and regular kids that wide?

It's not, that PP is a nut.

To OP's point, here's what appears to be the explainer sheet that was sent with IB transcripts last year: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/schools/rmhs/aboutys/2016-17%20IB_Insert.pdf
It says there were 133 IB degree candidates in 2016 (118 successful) and given that 125 freshmen are admitted by application that means at least 8 local students joined (plus whatever it takes to replace attrition from the magnet). The back door may exist but it's not so significant. Yep, thirteen pages of back and forth about 8 interlopers (give or take).

I have seen that IB letter you are referring to. You are comparing irrelevant data. For 2016 class the 133 candidate number has no relevance to the average 125 entrants through the application process. In addition, the 11th grade entrants numbers jumped upwards and without sufficient qualification after 2014.

The class 2019, started with 150+ students (there were more drawn from JWMS) in freshman year and has reached 190+ in 11th grade this year. The diploma rate for RM has decreased from 90th %age to 80th %age in last 5 years. Look at the letter where RM claims it is better than all IB schools in US its diploma rate is better than US average. Experience teachers are now leaving RM. If the trend continue, it is possible that the numbers which gave RM the reputations of being one of the best HS in US will not hold anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all, every year shortly before application deadlines and then again right before acceptance deadlines, someone comes on DCUM creating a hysterical fuss that RMIB, Blair, Eastern, and TPMS are being "watered down," comprehensive kids are being allowed to take magnet classes in masses, they are dangerous, there's an abusive teacher who will ruin the kids' gpas, etc.

I have not read the threads on RM before to understand its implications to application. I do not believe the issues I have raised will affect the application numbers and it certainly has no gain for me. This thread is not to discourage anyone from applying. It is to ask relevant questions to RM admin and MCPS so that parents apply and decide with complete information. RM magnet program has been changing over the last 3/4 years drastically and parents should not be kept in dark about its short term and long term effect.

How about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What? Of course RM has kids from out of it boundaries? And since RM has over 2000 kids it would be quite viable without the magnet...though I know that was not the case 30 years ago when it was added.

What I intended to say was RM itself does not "allow" the OOB kids. Its based on an agreement with MCPS the magnet program takes the OOB kids, unless someone gets a COSA waiver.

As for RM being viable without the magnet kids, you are right about student strength. It was a low-performing school about to close due to performance reason. So, I am not sure what its state would be without the magnet program now. However, if RM administration and parents feel they do not gain anything from the magnet program, they should ask the county to move the magnet program from its school to another school instead of trying to undermine it. May be RM-Cluster parents should push for that.

No, the school was under enrolled. If it was ever a candidate for closing down, it was due to enrollment issues, not performance issues. If a school district were to close a school for low performance, you'd see a lot more schools closing down all over the country.

The "state" of RM would be fine with IB magnet. How do I know this? Look at JWMS performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What? Of course RM has kids from out of it boundaries? And since RM has over 2000 kids it would be quite viable without the magnet...though I know that was not the case 30 years ago when it was added.

What I intended to say was RM itself does not "allow" the OOB kids. Its based on an agreement with MCPS the magnet program takes the OOB kids, unless someone gets a COSA waiver.

As for RM being viable without the magnet kids, you are right about student strength. It was a low-performing school about to close due to performance reason. So, I am not sure what its state would be without the magnet program now. However, if RM administration and parents feel they do not gain anything from the magnet program, they should ask the county to move the magnet program from its school to another school instead of trying to undermine it. May be RM-Cluster parents should push for that.

No, the school was under enrolled. If it was ever a candidate for closing down, it was due to enrollment issues, not performance issues. If a school district were to close a school for low performance, you'd see a lot more schools closing down all over the country.

The "state" of RM would be fine with IB magnet. How do I know this? Look at JWMS performance.

Sorry, that should read ""state" of RM would be fine withOUT IB magnet".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What? Of course RM has kids from out of it boundaries? And since RM has over 2000 kids it would be quite viable without the magnet...though I know that was not the case 30 years ago when it was added.

What I intended to say was RM itself does not "allow" the OOB kids. Its based on an agreement with MCPS the magnet program takes the OOB kids, unless someone gets a COSA waiver.

As for RM being viable without the magnet kids, you are right about student strength. It was a low-performing school about to close due to performance reason. So, I am not sure what its state would be without the magnet program now. However, if RM administration and parents feel they do not gain anything from the magnet program, they should ask the county to move the magnet program from its school to another school instead of trying to undermine it. May be RM-Cluster parents should push for that.

No, the school was under enrolled. If it was ever a candidate for closing down, it was due to enrollment issues, not performance issues. If a school district were to close a school for low performance, you'd see a lot more schools closing down all over the country.

The "state" of RM would be fine with IB magnet. How do I know this? Look at JWMS performance.

Sorry, that should read ""state" of RM would be fine withOUT IB magnet".

LOL. RM is like GHS without IB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What? Of course RM has kids from out of it boundaries? And since RM has over 2000 kids it would be quite viable without the magnet...though I know that was not the case 30 years ago when it was added.

What I intended to say was RM itself does not "allow" the OOB kids. Its based on an agreement with MCPS the magnet program takes the OOB kids, unless someone gets a COSA waiver.

As for RM being viable without the magnet kids, you are right about student strength. It was a low-performing school about to close due to performance reason. So, I am not sure what its state would be without the magnet program now. However, if RM administration and parents feel they do not gain anything from the magnet program, they should ask the county to move the magnet program from its school to another school instead of trying to undermine it. May be RM-Cluster parents should push for that.

No, the school was under enrolled. If it was ever a candidate for closing down, it was due to enrollment issues, not performance issues. If a school district were to close a school for low performance, you'd see a lot more schools closing down all over the country.

The "state" of RM would be fine with IB magnet. How do I know this? Look at JWMS performance.

Really stupid statement. Also, do you have any idea how much IB adding to your property value?

[Anonymous]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that OP's real motivation is that kids who joined the IB program in 11th grade are putting Richard Montgomery IB diploma program on their college applications, just like OP's kid who joined in 9th grade, and OP is worried that this will ruin OP's kid's chances of getting into Fancypants U.