Are we allowed to say "Islamic terrorists"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Religion is their motivation, their excuse, their reason. As for "critical thought," while you are crying over the "economic and socially disenfranchised" who commit these acts, they are plotting to kill you, your family, your friends. If they don't kill you, they want you/your wife in a burka. Your children to become fighters.

I pray that those who are in a position of power will act swiftly and justly.

Actually, religion isn't the motivation. It's the belief that they're being oppressed and people are out to destroy them on religious grounds. It's not like they read the Quran one day and run out and buy a weapon. Do you believe that's how it worked?

I'm not concerned about being forced to wear a burqa. I think properly educating the women and their poor would do a lot more, but I guess that's too much to hope for with everyone blaming it all on a 2,000 year old book.

It is as long as they execute anyone who doesn't hold their narrow view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

This article (possibly posted earlier) says that that is exactly what they are doing:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

It's in contrast with the WaPo article and others, that speak of other non-religious reasons for ISIS and its actions. But at least some people seem to think that ISIS is entirely based in religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

Then remove, revise, or clarify the co-opted language so it can no longer be abused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

Then remove, revise, or clarify the co-opted language so it can no longer be abused.

Like this? http://www.theonion.com/article/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-222

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

Then remove, revise, or clarify the co-opted language so it can no longer be abused.

Like this? http://www.theonion.com/article/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-222

That would be a good substitution for all the calls to violence currently included in many verses. Take out those calls and replace with your link and I'd be OK with that.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blaming it on a few passages is a lazy explanation. It's easier than considering the social and economic difficulties that turn disenfranchised people into monsters.

Religion is the excuse that power hungry assholes use to motivate people with nothing to lose. All of you blaming religion are falling for the ruse. Stop being so unbelievably gullible. You're not 5 years old. Use some critical thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_nonwarm_and_fuzzy_guide_to_understanding_terrorism.html

Hell, we could all be like Bernie Sanders and blame it all on climate change.
These radical Islamists are doing it FOR ALLAH. It is really that simple.
This does not mean that all Muslims are terrorists. But, ISIS is definitely committing their atrocities in the name of their religion.
Disenfranchised, my ass.
Social and economic difficulties? A bunch of BS.
Many of these monsters are from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds.
They are religious zealots who believe all the world should be Muslim and will go to any extent to make that a reality.

I do not for a second believe ISIS commits these acts for Allah. ISIS has no faith in God or His will. ISIS is not interested in learning from, pleasing, or obeying God. If they had made any effort at all to understand the teachings of the Quran, we would not see such violent and cruel behavior. But they instead are simply co-opting language and abusing it to justify their messed up world view.

Then remove, revise, or clarify the co-opted language so it can no longer be abused.

Because the Quran is believed (by those who believe, which doesn't include me) to be the word of God, it can't be removed or revised. However, Arabic lends itself to artful interpretation. Also, there is nothing wrong with viewing the words in a specific context. There has been significant developments along both of those lines which have led to very non-violent versions of Islam. However, for decades that Saudis have been pouring money into efforts to spread Wahhabism, which is a very puritanical version of Islam. Imagine that the Christian Identity Movement had managed to find itself sitting on the type of oil reserves available to the Saudis and had spent decades funding churches throughout the world, particularly in poor, unstable, politically underdeveloped countries. You would likely find many mainstream Christian denominations feeling marginalized.

Moderate Muslims are in many ways finding themselves in the same situation as moderate Republicans. Vocal extremists (and in the case of Islam, violent extremists) have drowned them out. In the case of Islam, a lot more moderates exist, but they are factionalized.

[Anonymous]

I heard from a Saudi official ISIS is attacking there now too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard from a Saudi official ISIS is attacking there now too.

Not too happy I guess that all that education they funded has been co-opted by former Ba'athists hoping to form a rival center of power in the Levant.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard from a Saudi official ISIS is attacking there now too.

Not too happy I guess that all that education they funded has been co-opted by former Ba'athists hoping to form a rival center of power in the Levant.

Exactly. But, since the attacks have primarily been bombings of Shia mosques, one might also wonder exactly how upset the Saudis really are.

[Anonymous]

What a bunch of PC BS.

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, just like not all Christians, Buddists are peaceful. But why "Islamic terrorists" is a common phrase being used in Asia, South America, Europe and pretty much any parts of the world, while there's no common phrase such as Buddist Terrorists or Christian Terrorists?

Going back 70 years, the same bunch of PC police will refuse to give Nazi soldiers a bad name because some Nazis had conscience.

Maybe when FBI follows suspected terrorists in U.S., they should also be politically correct. Let's survey equal number of men, women, Muslims, Christians, Buddists, Jews, old and young to avoid racial/religion/gender/age profiling.

It is what it is. There are non violent Muslims. But those who committed the latest act in Paris are Islamic terrorists. You can call them whatever you want, or strip them of their religious identity. But in the end, it only makes the Western PC BS a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of PC BS.

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, just like not all Christians, Buddists are peaceful. But why "Islamic terrorists" is a common phrase being used in Asia, South America, Europe and pretty much any parts of the world, while there's no common phrase such as Buddist Terrorists or Christian Terrorists?

Going back 70 years, the same bunch of PC police will refuse to give Nazi soldiers a bad name because some Nazis had conscience.

Maybe when FBI follows suspected terrorists in U.S., they should also be politically correct. Let's survey equal number of men, women, Muslims, Christians, Buddists, Jews, old and young to avoid racial/religion/gender/age profiling.

It is what it is. There are non violent Muslims. But those who committed the latest act in Paris are Islamic terrorists. You can call them whatever you want, or strip them of their religious identity. But in the end, it only makes the Western PC BS a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

You could have saved yourself the trouble of posting this rant. Nobody has objected to the use of the term "Islamic terrorists". Maybe you meant to post on DC Urban Straw Men?

[Anonymous]

There seems to be no golden rule in Islam, to hear the fundamentalists tell it. They can do unto others, because others don't count. That's why there is trouble everywhere - it is taught. If there is a counter stream to this piratical thinking, it would be nice to see it get a lot stronger.

I'll just note that I hear Jesus is revered in Islam, but he certainly never taught 'Do whatever you want to others and talk trash about them if they have the nerve to defend themselves.'

[Anonymous]

Interesting article from Der Spiegel earlier this year on the Ba'athist-Islamic State nexus.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-files-show-structure-of-islamist-terror-group-a-1029274.html

More food for thought for those who think this is about fanatics bent on imposing Islam on the rest of the world instead of a cynical Middle Eastern power grab run by people who don't own a cop of the Quran.

[Anonymous]

People are free to call them whatever they like, that's the thing about freedom of speech.

But remember that by calling them "Islamic terrorists" you are legitimizing them.

It would be more accurate to call them vicious and barbaric lunatics pretending to be Muslims.

Many Muslims have called them out for acts that go against core teachings of Islam, many Muslims have denounced them.

Many have taken to calling them "Da'esh" which is a derogatory term also delegitimizing them. http://theweek.com/speedreads/446139/france-says-name-isis-offensive-call-daesh-instead, they refuse to recognize it as "Islamic" or a "State."

They are a delusional lunatic fringe, their views are not representative of Islam as a whole, just as Anders Breivik's views are not representative of Christianity as a whole.