Marshall High School - Lowest Graduation Rate vs. TJ, Langley, McLean, Woodson, Madison, Oakton

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Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

Too bad about the math and reading.

Weren't that bad, but you're right that it doesn't fit. Scores generally are more consistent. Is this because of IB? Is there more writing focus with IB? I don't know--just a shot in the dark.

The writing scores were 7th in the county in 2011, 2012 and 2013, even though Marshall had IB then, too. Could be a blip, or might not be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2014 SAT Scores:

Langley 1830
McLean 1774
Oakton 1767
Woodson 1759
Madison 1749
Marshall 1740

2015 US News Ratings/State of Virginia:

Langley #2
Woodson #3
McLean #4
Oakton #6
Madison#7
Marshall #15

2015 Washington Post Challenge Index/DC Region

Oakton #8
McLean #15
Woodson #20
Madison #21
Langley #24
Marshall #53

2015 Washington Post E&E (College Readiness) Index/DC Region

McLean 78.8%
Madison 78.2%
Oakton 72.0%
Langley 70.1%
Marshall 67.5%
Woodson 67.5%


National Merit Semi-Finalists/Class of 2015:

McLean 12
Langley 10
Oakton 10
Woodson 9
Madison 4
Marshall 3

GreatSchools Ratings:

Langley 9
Madison 9
Marshall 9
McLean 8
Oakton 8
Woodson 8


2015 Virginia Index of Performance Awards:

Langley - Excellence Award
Madison - Excellence Award
McLean - Excellence Award
Oakton - Excellence Award
Woodson - Excellence Award
Marshall - No Award

2013-14 Dropout Rates

Madison 0.10%
Woodson 0.18%
McLean 0.29%
Langley 0.30%
Marshall 1.65%


2014-15 FARMS Rates

Langley 2.10%
McLean 8.27%
Madison 9.50%
Woodson 10.18%
Oakton 11.87%
Marshall 20.03%

2013-14 LEP (Limited English Proficiency) Rates

Langley 1.81%
Woodson 4.15%
Madison 5.09%
McLean 5.61%
Oakton 5.98%
Marshall 9.65%

Great resource, thanks. We are looking in some of these districts now. We would prefer Langley, McLean or Madison but may be priced out.

What's your budget? For example, there are some less expensive homes zoned for Langley in Herndon or in western Great Falls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My friends in langley and mclean used to call marshall the ghetto school back in the early 90s. These types of stereotypes dont die until that generation does regardless of reality.

Yup. +100 And that's just fine with Marshall families who would prefer the school remains a welcoming place where the students and the parents aren't so full of themselves and have better things to do than look at meaningless rankings. Lower median SAT scores mean nothing when your kid's are perfect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My friends in langley and mclean used to call marshall the ghetto school back in the early 90s. These types of stereotypes dont die until that generation does regardless of reality.

Yup. +100 And that's just fine with Marshall families who would prefer the school remains a welcoming place where the students and the parents aren't so full of themselves and have better things to do than look at meaningless rankings. Lower median SAT scores mean nothing when your kid's are perfect.

That's a laugh. The culture at Marshall in recent years has been very focused on the school's rankings and test scores. Anyone who has driven by the school and seen the school's electronic billboard or walked inside and seen the huge display about the SOL scores knows that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friends in langley and mclean used to call marshall the ghetto school back in the early 90s. These types of stereotypes dont die until that generation does regardless of reality.

Yup. +100 And that's just fine with Marshall families who would prefer the school remains a welcoming place where the students and the parents aren't so full of themselves and have better things to do than look at meaningless rankings. Lower median SAT scores mean nothing when your kid's are perfect.

That's a laugh. The culture at Marshall in recent years has been very focused on the school's rankings and test scores. Anyone who has driven by the school and seen the school's electronic billboard or walked inside and seen the huge display about the SOL scores knows that.

Believe what you want. I've had three kids go there, two currently, so I'm part of the Marshall community and know what goes on there. You apparently, have no firsthand experience of the school, but are able to discern what it's like from an electronic billboard out front.

GCM administrators are big boosters of the kids and the school. They like to celebrate successes and that positive vibe (even when it goes a bit over the top) permeates the school. Who wouldn't like that attitude at a school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friends in langley and mclean used to call marshall the ghetto school back in the early 90s. These types of stereotypes dont die until that generation does regardless of reality.

Yup. +100 And that's just fine with Marshall families who would prefer the school remains a welcoming place where the students and the parents aren't so full of themselves and have better things to do than look at meaningless rankings. Lower median SAT scores mean nothing when your kid's are perfect.

That's a laugh. The culture at Marshall in recent years has been very focused on the school's rankings and test scores. Anyone who has driven by the school and seen the school's electronic billboard or walked inside and seen the huge display about the SOL scores knows that.

Believe what you want. I've had three kids go there, two currently, so I'm part of the Marshall community and know what goes on there. You apparently, have no firsthand experience of the school, but are able to discern what it's like from an electronic billboard out front.

GCM administrators are big boosters of the kids and the school. They like to celebrate successes and that positive vibe (even when it goes a bit over the top) permeates the school. Who wouldn't like that attitude at a school?

Wasn't this the school that was boasting a few years ago on its web site about being ranked #3 in the state by U.S. News even though it was clear to anyone with the brain the ranking was based on inaccurate data about the number of students taking advanced classes? I remember reading about it and thinking that the administrators and parents must have known better. It was not an attitude we found admirable, and we quickly crossed Marshall off the list of schools we were willing to consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

Are you just trying to obfuscate that the Marshall poster either deliberately lied or failed to read the FCPS information correctly? There seems to be a real pattern of Marshall posters playing fast and loose with facts in their zeal to make the school look better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

Are you just trying to obfuscate that the Marshall poster either deliberately lied or failed to read the FCPS information correctly? There seems to be a real pattern of Marshall posters playing fast and loose with facts in their zeal to make the school look better.

I'm the one who posted it. Ya got me. I missed that there was a tie with Oakton. You so smart. Give yourself a pat on the back. But you made an incorrect assumption that I'm a Marshall parent. I live in Arlington. I'm looking at data on FCPS because I'm looking to move to FC. Haven't decided where I'm going to move yet, so I don't have a horse in the game. Actually leaning toward McLean, in fact, although I haven't ruled out Marshall. I was just noting the writing scores because I thought it was an interesting departure. Note that you saw a Marshall parent being smarmy from a statement that wasn't even complimentary of Marshall (I called it "curious" that they did so well).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

Are you just trying to obfuscate that the Marshall poster either deliberately lied or failed to read the FCPS information correctly? There seems to be a real pattern of Marshall posters playing fast and loose with facts in their zeal to make the school look better.

I'm the one who posted it. Ya got me. I missed that there was a tie with Oakton. You so smart. Give yourself a pat on the back. But you made an incorrect assumption that I'm a Marshall parent. I live in Arlington. I'm looking at data on FCPS because I'm looking to move to FC. Haven't decided where I'm going to move yet, so I don't have a horse in the game. Actually leaning toward McLean, in fact, although I haven't ruled out Marshall. I was just noting the writing scores because I thought it was an interesting departure. Note that you saw a Marshall parent being smarmy from a statement that wasn't even complimentary of Marshall (I called it "curious" that they did so well).

I'm the one who just posted this comment. I lost my temper and should not have. The comment about obfuscating was just so asinine But it does underscore something that has been said on the site. Marshall parents are accused of obnoxious self-promotion, but nobody can quote examples. It's because some people apparently see obnoxious self-promotion in anything remotely complementary of the school. Again, here's the comment, not even from an FCPS parent: "Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ." THAT'S obnoxious self-promotion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

Are you just trying to obfuscate that the Marshall poster either deliberately lied or failed to read the FCPS information correctly? There seems to be a real pattern of Marshall posters playing fast and loose with facts in their zeal to make the school look better.

I'm the one who posted it. Ya got me. I missed that there was a tie with Oakton. You so smart. Give yourself a pat on the back. But you made an incorrect assumption that I'm a Marshall parent. I live in Arlington. I'm looking at data on FCPS because I'm looking to move to FC. Haven't decided where I'm going to move yet, so I don't have a horse in the game. Actually leaning toward McLean, in fact, although I haven't ruled out Marshall. I was just noting the writing scores because I thought it was an interesting departure. Note that you saw a Marshall parent being smarmy from a statement that wasn't even complimentary of Marshall (I called it "curious" that they did so well).

It doesn't take any great smarts to read a chart correctly, simply a willingness to accept the facts and present them correctly. You should try it next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come madison and marshall sat scores are so close if madison is the whitest and richest where as marshall has 20% poors and fewer whites.

Also curious is that in 2014 Marshall had higher average Scores on the writing portion of the SAT than any school in the county other than Langely or TJ.

That isn't even true, by the way.

http://www.fcps.edu/cco/pr/satact/2014/Table2.pdf

According to this, the only two schools that had higher writing SAT scores than Marshall in 2014 were Langely and TJ. Oakton tied with Marshall (576). Are you just playing gotcha with the poster because Oakton was tied?

Are you just trying to obfuscate that the Marshall poster either deliberately lied or failed to read the FCPS information correctly? There seems to be a real pattern of Marshall posters playing fast and loose with facts in their zeal to make the school look better.

I'm the one who posted it. Ya got me. I missed that there was a tie with Oakton. You so smart. Give yourself a pat on the back. But you made an incorrect assumption that I'm a Marshall parent. I live in Arlington. I'm looking at data on FCPS because I'm looking to move to FC. Haven't decided where I'm going to move yet, so I don't have a horse in the game. Actually leaning toward McLean, in fact, although I haven't ruled out Marshall. I was just noting the writing scores because I thought it was an interesting departure. Note that you saw a Marshall parent being smarmy from a statement that wasn't even complimentary of Marshall (I called it "curious" that they did so well).

It doesn't take any great smarts to read a chart correctly, simply a willingness to accept the facts and present them correctly. You should try it next time.

????????

Anyway, now that we've established that I'm deceitful and/or a moron, let's go back to what the chart does show. I think it is curious that Marshall had higher written SAT scores than any school in the county other than TJ, Langley, or Oakton (with which it tied). (See, all corrected.)

Now, I'm not even a resident of FC, although I will be soon--so I certainly can't explain. Was actually interested in whether there's a story there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2014 SAT Scores:

Langley 1830
McLean 1774
Oakton 1767
Woodson 1759
Madison 1749
Marshall 1740

2015 US News Ratings/State of Virginia:

Langley #2
Woodson #3
McLean #4
Oakton #6
Madison#7
Marshall #15

2015 Washington Post Challenge Index/DC Region

Oakton #8
McLean #15
Woodson #20
Madison #21
Langley #24
Marshall #53

2015 Washington Post E&E (College Readiness) Index/DC Region

McLean 78.8%
Madison 78.2%
Oakton 72.0%
Langley 70.1%
Marshall 67.5%
Woodson 67.5%


National Merit Semi-Finalists/Class of 2015:

McLean 12
Langley 10
Oakton 10
Woodson 9
Madison 4
Marshall 3

GreatSchools Ratings:

Langley 9
Madison 9
Marshall 9
McLean 8
Oakton 8
Woodson 8


2015 Virginia Index of Performance Awards:

Langley - Excellence Award
Madison - Excellence Award
McLean - Excellence Award
Oakton - Excellence Award
Woodson - Excellence Award
Marshall - No Award

2013-14 Dropout Rates

Madison 0.10%
Woodson 0.18%
McLean 0.29%
Langley 0.30%
Marshall 1.65%


2014-15 FARMS Rates

Langley 2.10%
McLean 8.27%
Madison 9.50%
Woodson 10.18%
Oakton 11.87%
Marshall 20.03%

2013-14 LEP (Limited English Proficiency) Rates

Langley 1.81%
Woodson 4.15%
Madison 5.09%
McLean 5.61%
Oakton 5.98%
Marshall 9.65%

Great resource, thanks. We are looking in some of these districts now. We would prefer Langley, McLean or Madison but may be priced out.

What's your budget? For example, there are some less expensive homes zoned for Langley in Herndon or in western Great Falls.

True but they are cheaper because of the far distance from retail, metro and DC job areas. I also don't trust that herndon area (or any far off area) that feeds in the Langley, I would be worried about redistricting.

[Anonymous]

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????????

Anyway, now that we've established that I'm deceitful and/or a moron, let's go back to what the chart does show. I think it is curious that Marshall had higher written SAT scores than any school in the county other than TJ, Langley, or Oakton (with which it tied). (See, all corrected.)

Now, I'm not even a resident of FC, although I will be soon--so I certainly can't explain. Was actually interested in whether there's a story there.

Because IB has more writing, and attracts people into writing from the Madison district? Madison and Oakton are higher in composite scores and Math scores.

Picking and choosing statistics is a sign of a despair mind.