Marshall High School - Lowest Graduation Rate vs. TJ, Langley, McLean, Woodson, Madison, Oakton

[Anonymous]

Hunh? ^
Writing is one of three numbers in that chart. It is not like the chart has 10 figures in it - how is highlighting one of 3 cherry picking but pointing to 2 out of 4 (just one number more) not similar?

Really I just keep coming back to this thread to see if the snotty "better school" posters change their tune at all or if any evidence of this over the top boostering by marshall parents shows up. It is not a pretty thread for the "better school" posters so far though.

- VA house hunter

[Anonymous]

^ 2 out of 3 (not 4).

[Anonymous]

I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2014 SAT Scores:

Langley 1830
McLean 1774
Oakton 1767
Woodson 1759
Madison 1749
Marshall 1740

2015 US News Ratings/State of Virginia:

Langley #2
Woodson #3
McLean #4
Oakton #6
Madison#7
Marshall #15

2015 Washington Post Challenge Index/DC Region

Oakton #8
McLean #15
Woodson #20
Madison #21
Langley #24
Marshall #53

2015 Washington Post E&E (College Readiness) Index/DC Region

McLean 78.8%
Madison 78.2%
Oakton 72.0%
Langley 70.1%
Marshall 67.5%
Woodson 67.5%


National Merit Semi-Finalists/Class of 2015:

McLean 12
Langley 10
Oakton 10
Woodson 9
Madison 4
Marshall 3

GreatSchools Ratings:

Langley 9
Madison 9
Marshall 9
McLean 8
Oakton 8
Woodson 8


2015 Virginia Index of Performance Awards:

Langley - Excellence Award
Madison - Excellence Award
McLean - Excellence Award
Oakton - Excellence Award
Woodson - Excellence Award
Marshall - No Award

2013-14 Dropout Rates

Madison 0.10%
Woodson 0.18%
McLean 0.29%
Langley 0.30%
Marshall 1.65%


2014-15 FARMS Rates

Langley 2.10%
McLean 8.27%
Madison 9.50%
Woodson 10.18%
Oakton 11.87%
Marshall 20.03%

2013-14 LEP (Limited English Proficiency) Rates

Langley 1.81%
Woodson 4.15%
Madison 5.09%
McLean 5.61%
Oakton 5.98%
Marshall 9.65%

Great resource, thanks. We are looking in some of these districts now. We would prefer Langley, McLean or Madison but may be priced out.

What's your budget? For example, there are some less expensive homes zoned for Langley in Herndon or in western Great Falls.

True but they are cheaper because of the far distance from retail, metro and DC job areas. I also don't trust that herndon area (or any far off area) that feeds in the Langley, I would be worried about redistricting.

Not everyone needs to commute to DC and there's been no suggestion that areas assigned to Langley for years would be redistricted. And why are you suggesting people should "worry" about redistricting to Herndon? That sure sounds snobby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

Better watch out for the slip and slide!

http://wtop.com/news/2013/03/three-va-teens-charged-for-gallon-smashing-prank-video/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2014 SAT Scores:

Langley 1830
McLean 1774
Oakton 1767
Woodson 1759
Madison 1749
Marshall 1740

2015 US News Ratings/State of Virginia:

Langley #2
Woodson #3
McLean #4
Oakton #6
Madison#7
Marshall #15

2015 Washington Post Challenge Index/DC Region

Oakton #8
McLean #15
Woodson #20
Madison #21
Langley #24
Marshall #53

2015 Washington Post E&E (College Readiness) Index/DC Region

McLean 78.8%
Madison 78.2%
Oakton 72.0%
Langley 70.1%
Marshall 67.5%
Woodson 67.5%


National Merit Semi-Finalists/Class of 2015:

McLean 12
Langley 10
Oakton 10
Woodson 9
Madison 4
Marshall 3

GreatSchools Ratings:

Langley 9
Madison 9
Marshall 9
McLean 8
Oakton 8
Woodson 8


2015 Virginia Index of Performance Awards:

Langley - Excellence Award
Madison - Excellence Award
McLean - Excellence Award
Oakton - Excellence Award
Woodson - Excellence Award
Marshall - No Award

2013-14 Dropout Rates

Madison 0.10%
Woodson 0.18%
McLean 0.29%
Langley 0.30%
Marshall 1.65%


2014-15 FARMS Rates

Langley 2.10%
McLean 8.27%
Madison 9.50%
Woodson 10.18%
Oakton 11.87%
Marshall 20.03%

2013-14 LEP (Limited English Proficiency) Rates

Langley 1.81%
Woodson 4.15%
Madison 5.09%
McLean 5.61%
Oakton 5.98%
Marshall 9.65%

Great resource, thanks. We are looking in some of these districts now. We would prefer Langley, McLean or Madison but may be priced out.

What's your budget? For example, there are some less expensive homes zoned for Langley in Herndon or in western Great Falls.

True but they are cheaper because of the far distance from retail, metro and DC job areas. I also don't trust that herndon area (or any far off area) that feeds in the Langley, I would be worried about redistricting.

Not everyone needs to commute to DC and there's been no suggestion that areas assigned to Langley for years would be redistricted. And why are you suggesting people should "worry" about redistricting to Herndon? That sure sounds snobby.

Honestly we saw the whole south lakes redistricting and it really caused us to rethink buying in locations far from the school.

If you read real estate market analysis gay falls and further out mclean is a buyers market where as closer in is still a seller's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

Better watch out for the slip and slide!

http://wtop.com/news/2013/03/three-va-teens-charged-for-gallon-smashing-prank-video/

Because kids at other high schools have never done something stupid....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2014 SAT Scores:

Langley 1830
McLean 1774
Oakton 1767
Woodson 1759
Madison 1749
Marshall 1740

2015 US News Ratings/State of Virginia:

Langley #2
Woodson #3
McLean #4
Oakton #6
Madison#7
Marshall #15

2015 Washington Post Challenge Index/DC Region

Oakton #8
McLean #15
Woodson #20
Madison #21
Langley #24
Marshall #53

2015 Washington Post E&E (College Readiness) Index/DC Region

McLean 78.8%
Madison 78.2%
Oakton 72.0%
Langley 70.1%
Marshall 67.5%
Woodson 67.5%


National Merit Semi-Finalists/Class of 2015:

McLean 12
Langley 10
Oakton 10
Woodson 9
Madison 4
Marshall 3

GreatSchools Ratings:

Langley 9
Madison 9
Marshall 9
McLean 8
Oakton 8
Woodson 8


2015 Virginia Index of Performance Awards:

Langley - Excellence Award
Madison - Excellence Award
McLean - Excellence Award
Oakton - Excellence Award
Woodson - Excellence Award
Marshall - No Award

2013-14 Dropout Rates

Madison 0.10%
Woodson 0.18%
McLean 0.29%
Langley 0.30%
Marshall 1.65%


2014-15 FARMS Rates

Langley 2.10%
McLean 8.27%
Madison 9.50%
Woodson 10.18%
Oakton 11.87%
Marshall 20.03%

2013-14 LEP (Limited English Proficiency) Rates

Langley 1.81%
Woodson 4.15%
Madison 5.09%
McLean 5.61%
Oakton 5.98%
Marshall 9.65%

Great resource, thanks. We are looking in some of these districts now. We would prefer Langley, McLean or Madison but may be priced out.

What's your budget? For example, there are some less expensive homes zoned for Langley in Herndon or in western Great Falls.

True but they are cheaper because of the far distance from retail, metro and DC job areas. I also don't trust that herndon area (or any far off area) that feeds in the Langley, I would be worried about redistricting.

Not everyone needs to commute to DC and there's been no suggestion that areas assigned to Langley for years would be redistricted. And why are you suggesting people should "worry" about redistricting to Herndon? That sure sounds snobby.

Honestly we saw the whole south lakes redistricting and it really caused us to rethink buying in locations far from the school.

If you read real estate market analysis gay falls and further out mclean is a buyers market where as closer in is still a seller's.

Ughhhh damn auto correct, great falls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

Better watch out for the slip and slide!

http://wtop.com/news/2013/03/three-va-teens-charged-for-gallon-smashing-prank-video/

Because kids at other high schools have never done something stupid....

Then you have the enlightened Marshall teachers...

http://wjla.com/news/local/a-george-c-marshall-high-school-student-asked-to-read-poem-blacker--73816

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

Better watch out for the slip and slide!

http://wtop.com/news/2013/03/three-va-teens-charged-for-gallon-smashing-prank-video/

Because kids at other high schools have never done something stupid....

Then you have the enlightened Marshall teachers...

http://wjla.com/news/local/a-george-c-marshall-high-school-student-asked-to-read-poem-blacker--73816

because teachers from other schools have never done something stupid or criminal:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n420.a08.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hunh? ^
Writing is one of three numbers in that chart. It is not like the chart has 10 figures in it - how is highlighting one of 3 cherry picking but pointing to 2 out of 4 (just one number more) not similar?

Really I just keep coming back to this thread to see if the snotty "better school" posters change their tune at all or if any evidence of this over the top boostering by marshall parents shows up. It is not a pretty thread for the "better school" posters so far though.

- VA house hunter

Because the PP was trying to conclude that Marshall was superior based on one of three scores in the test. The schools are about the same, sure. There are differences, but I am sure if we put in statistical uncertainties in the measures, there would be no significant different between the schools.

Other things not shown is: what is the percentage of student that don't take the SAT's? I know of a school (not in this area) that encouraged the poorer performing students not to take the SAT's. (I do not think that happens here).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why we continue to use SAT scores as a measure of school quality. SATs, and years of education research bear this out, say that the SAT reflects more the SES status of a child's parents than it does the quality of instruction at a given school.

This is what I've gleaned from this thread:

1. Marshall is a perfectly good school.
2. Do not suggest it compares in any way with Langley, McLean, Madison or Oakton lest you provoke the wrath of the DCUM education trolls.
3. Given the snobbery on display by the parents of students at the above schools, I'm happy my daughter attends Marshall and that we chose for her to go there for the IB.

Happy first day of school!

Better watch out for the slip and slide!

http://wtop.com/news/2013/03/three-va-teens-charged-for-gallon-smashing-prank-video/

Here's a twofer - McLean and Langley students charged with undergage drinking and possession of alchohol: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-schools-insider/post/mclean-langley-students-arrested-for-drinking/2012/02/15/gIQAHQ8tFR_blog.html

or McLean student dead by heroin injection.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/mclean-high-school-students-heroin-overdose-shows-disturbing-trend-facing-police/2014/01/31/5d7e724a-8ab1-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html

Some people live in glass houses.


Because kids at other high schools have never done something stupid....

[Anonymous]

So tacky to refer to that poor girl's death. You do know a Marshall student was held responsible for it and is now in prison. God knows how many Marshall students he supplied with heroin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419788/Emylee-Lonczak-High-school-girl-body-mansions-died-taking-drugs-men-knew-needed-medical-attention-did-help.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hunh? ^
Writing is one of three numbers in that chart. It is not like the chart has 10 figures in it - how is highlighting one of 3 cherry picking but pointing to 2 out of 4 (just one number more) not similar?

Really I just keep coming back to this thread to see if the snotty "better school" posters change their tune at all or if any evidence of this over the top boostering by marshall parents shows up. It is not a pretty thread for the "better school" posters so far though.

- VA house hunter

Because the PP was trying to conclude that Marshall was superior based on one of three scores in the test. The schools are about the same, sure. There are differences, but I am sure if we put in statistical uncertainties in the measures, there would be no significant different between the schools.

Other things not shown is: what is the percentage of student that don't take the SAT's? I know of a school (not in this area) that encouraged the poorer performing students not to take the SAT's. (I do not think that happens here).

PP here. I'm not trying to conclude Marshall was superior. As I said, I don't even live in FC and really couldn't give a rat's behind whether Marshall is a good school. (Well, I do care because I'm looking at houses in the Marshall district in addition to the McLean district, but I don't have a vested interest, and I'm probably going to wind up in McLean anyway.) This whole "my school's better that your school" game is pretty petty. I merely commented on an interesting blip I noted. Marshall is consistently a tick lower than the big six in FCPS (TJ, Langley, McLean, Madison, Oakton, and Woodson) on SATs, but then in 2014 saw a big jump in writing (and only writing) and did better than three and tied with one of the big six. That's unusual to see a blip like that on only one component of the SAT. I was just throwing it out out for conversation. And I called it curious, which is hardly a compliment of Marshall. Not sure why my post engendered such vitrol. Can't understand why someone from McLean, etc., would get all that worked up about the fact that Marshall did a little better on the writing portion of the SATs. I was just curious as to whether anyone has any insight on the reason for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hunh? ^
Writing is one of three numbers in that chart. It is not like the chart has 10 figures in it - how is highlighting one of 3 cherry picking but pointing to 2 out of 4 (just one number more) not similar?

Really I just keep coming back to this thread to see if the snotty "better school" posters change their tune at all or if any evidence of this over the top boostering by marshall parents shows up. It is not a pretty thread for the "better school" posters so far though.

- VA house hunter

PP. Read the thread again. I'm not a Marshall parent and couldn't care less whether Marshall is superior, so I'm certainly not "cherry picking" to prove a point. Look at my post again. I was trying to stimulate a conversation on something I thought was interesting. Guess I picked the wrong forum for that.