When am i too old for more kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Not the first to point this out in this thread, but can we get a little middle ground, please? It's not either 19 or 45. Many people have children in their early thirties after several years of working. For example, I know many mothers who have recently had children after 6 or so years of law practice. They are financially stable AND still fairly young. So, it can't be that you have to be in your 40s to be financially stable, and, the comparison should not always be with unwed 19 year olds with little chance of financial sucess. I think people would feel less judgmental of you if they understood better why your 30s was not an appropriate time for you to have children, seeing as how many women are able to establish a career by this point in their lives. My guess is that the answers vary a lot, but I doubt that it takes most women 20 years post-college to become financially prepared to support a child, especially if you have a spouse who works. Anyway, please stop creating this 45 with 3 degrees vs. 19 and homeless dischotomy. The fact is that many women have kids b/t 30 and 35.


Financial Stability here. The subject of the post was whether 40 is too late to have kids. I think alot of older women sensed a lack of support from some here in their own decision to go ahead and have kids at 40+. So they all pointed out the distinct advantages of having children at 40+ that aren't commonly seen when women are younger.

Sure, there are some highly educated women in their 30's who may be earning a strong income. But the advantage of women who are 40+ is that not only do more of them have a stronger education, they, more importantly, have had more time to accumulate MONEY (I'm being blunt and not cushioning my words diplomatically as one other poster asked me to do LOL). This brings them peace of mind, and it also allows them to quit their jobs if they desire to focus solely on raising their child as a SAHM. It has many advantages. The older moms also have more relationship stability.

This isn't to say 30+ moms are clueless, unproductive, or unable to raise children properly. This is to not deny advantages the 40+ moms have.


Will all of you people just stop! Just because you have a nice little nest egg or more education doesn't mean that you are going to be a better mother! Being a mother is something that you learn while raising your kid. "Financial Stability" or whatever you want to call yourself, I have a better name for you...how about "Self Righteous" Get off your high horse and come on back down to reality. Most of our mothers and grandmothers had their babies at a very young age and I am pretty damn sure that we all turned out just fine. My mother is my hero, she taught me patience, love, respect and trust....something I am currently teaching my son...and something that I don't need a college degree to instill in him. Everyone who is saying that women in their 40's with more money and more education will be better mothers, make me sick! Sounds like you need to grow up to me.


Silly goose. Have you learned nothing on this board? One has to be at least 37 [i] to have the wisdom to select the best developmental toys, foods, and apparel to equip a baby to ace a test and get into the only preschool in town that will be able to cope with their extraordinary, unprecedented talent, 99.9 percentile genius, and the sophistication that they've acquired living with such accomplished parents. After that, at about 41, a parent has what it takes to select the soccer program that will help them catch the eye of the Ivy League athletic recruiters, and have the money to deal with the Ivies' lack of scholarships, and then have the social experience to throw a wedding that makes the style section.

That is the ONLY way that a child can become a happy, well-developed person.


VERY FUNNY! I think that women in their 20's in the end will make better parents because we will have the stamina to run our children from soccer pratice to football practice and then on to basketball practice...where as the women in their 40's will be old and decrepit by the time their kid is 10....hey good luck with that....hope the osteoporosis doesn't effect your ability to take your kids out to the park and push them on the swing.


HEY! I'M 40 AND JUST RAN 10 MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR! THAT'S UNDER A 6 MILE MILE!!! I BET YOU CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME! I ALSO HAVE 4 KIDS ALL UNDER 8 AND HAVE NO PROBLEM KEPINGUP WITH ALL THEIR SCHOOL AND ATHELTIC EVENTS!


Good for you...you'll be 50 in 10 years while I will be only 38....talk to me then


Some day you will be 50, sweetheart, believe it or not. I guess you haven't picked up that little bit of wisdom yet. And when it happens, I hope you are going through menopause and the memory of this dialogue has your breaking out in a sweat of shame.



Yeah, but when I'm 50...my kid will be 24 and I will be able to enjoy my retirement.....how's that bit of wisdom for you sweet pea?


Sweetie, it's Lovey here. I somehow can't imagine you enjoying your retirement -- that would take aging gracefully, something you obviously won't be able to do. You'll be too busy blocking words like "Yuck" from ringing in your head.
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Anonymous wrote:Not the first to point this out in this thread, but can we get a little middle ground, please? It's not either 19 or 45. Many people have children in their early thirties after several years of working. For example, I know many mothers who have recently had children after 6 or so years of law practice. They are financially stable AND still fairly young. So, it can't be that you have to be in your 40s to be financially stable, and, the comparison should not always be with unwed 19 year olds with little chance of financial sucess. I think people would feel less judgmental of you if they understood better why your 30s was not an appropriate time for you to have children, seeing as how many women are able to establish a career by this point in their lives. My guess is that the answers vary a lot, but I doubt that it takes most women 20 years post-college to become financially prepared to support a child, especially if you have a spouse who works. Anyway, please stop creating this 45 with 3 degrees vs. 19 and homeless dischotomy. The fact is that many women have kids b/t 30 and 35.


Financial Stability here. The subject of the post was whether 40 is too late to have kids. I think alot of older women sensed a lack of support from some here in their own decision to go ahead and have kids at 40+. So they all pointed out the distinct advantages of having children at 40+ that aren't commonly seen when women are younger.

Sure, there are some highly educated women in their 30's who may be earning a strong income. But the advantage of women who are 40+ is that not only do more of them have a stronger education, they, more importantly, have had more time to accumulate MONEY (I'm being blunt and not cushioning my words diplomatically as one other poster asked me to do LOL). This brings them peace of mind, and it also allows them to quit their jobs if they desire to focus solely on raising their child as a SAHM. It has many advantages. The older moms also have more relationship stability.

This isn't to say 30+ moms are clueless, unproductive, or unable to raise children properly. This is to not deny advantages the 40+ moms have.


Will all of you people just stop! Just because you have a nice little nest egg or more education doesn't mean that you are going to be a better mother! Being a mother is something that you learn while raising your kid. "Financial Stability" or whatever you want to call yourself, I have a better name for you...how about "Self Righteous" Get off your high horse and come on back down to reality. Most of our mothers and grandmothers had their babies at a very young age and I am pretty damn sure that we all turned out just fine. My mother is my hero, she taught me patience, love, respect and trust....something I am currently teaching my son...and something that I don't need a college degree to instill in him. Everyone who is saying that women in their 40's with more money and more education will be better mothers, make me sick! Sounds like you need to grow up to me.


Silly goose. Have you learned nothing on this board? One has to be at least 37 [i] to have the wisdom to select the best developmental toys, foods, and apparel to equip a baby to ace a test and get into the only preschool in town that will be able to cope with their extraordinary, unprecedented talent, 99.9 percentile genius, and the sophistication that they've acquired living with such accomplished parents. After that, at about 41, a parent has what it takes to select the soccer program that will help them catch the eye of the Ivy League athletic recruiters, and have the money to deal with the Ivies' lack of scholarships, and then have the social experience to throw a wedding that makes the style section.

That is the ONLY way that a child can become a happy, well-developed person.


VERY FUNNY! I think that women in their 20's in the end will make better parents because we will have the stamina to run our children from soccer pratice to football practice and then on to basketball practice...where as the women in their 40's will be old and decrepit by the time their kid is 10....hey good luck with that....hope the osteoporosis doesn't effect your ability to take your kids out to the park and push them on the swing.


HEY! I'M 40 AND JUST RAN 10 MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR! THAT'S UNDER A 6 MILE MILE!!! I BET YOU CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME! I ALSO HAVE 4 KIDS ALL UNDER 8 AND HAVE NO PROBLEM KEPINGUP WITH ALL THEIR SCHOOL AND ATHELTIC EVENTS!


Good for you...you'll be 50 in 10 years while I will be only 38....talk to me then


Some day you will be 50, sweetheart, believe it or not. I guess you haven't picked up that little bit of wisdom yet. And when it happens, I hope you are going through menopause and the memory of this dialogue has your breaking out in a sweat of shame.



Yeah, but when I'm 50...my kid will be 24 and I will be able to enjoy my retirement.....how's that bit of wisdom for you sweet pea?


Sweetie, it's Lovey here. I somehow can't imagine you enjoying your retirement -- that would take aging gracefully, something you obviously won't be able to do. You'll be too busy blocking words like "Yuck" from ringing in your head.


Listen sugar, I will be able to enjoy my retirement and menopause without a toddler running around. "Yuck" is what your child will say when she sees your sagging jaw line and it will be your child that is embarassed when or if you can even make it to the high school graduation and the bleachers don't accomodate walkers. Don't get all sad when little sally asks why you look like little susies grandma and not her mom.
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Listen sugar, I will be able to enjoy my retirement and menopause without a toddler running around. "Yuck" is what your child will say when she sees your sagging jaw line and it will be your child that is embarassed when or if you can even make it to the high school graduation and the bleachers don't accomodate walkers. Don't get all sad when little sally asks why you look like little susies grandma and not her mom.


Are you sure you are in your 20s and not your teens? Really, is that the behavior you model for your children?
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People are different. My first cousin had her kids at 23, 25 and 28. She is now in her fifties, her kids are all grown, and she says to me frequently that she wishes she had had her kids later because she hates the empty nest!

And why in the world would it embarrass a child to have an older parent? That I just don't get at all, esp. when it is now so common. I had "older" parents (37 and 40 when they had me, which was older in our day although common now) and I don't ever remember being embarrassed by them, even when I was a teenager.

And why does it take having your kids grown to enjoy retirement? Again, I just don't get that--it's like you're saying children are such an odious burden that you're glad to get rid of them and be done with it in order to be able to enjoy retirement. Why couldn't someone who had children at age 40 enjoy retirement while having teenagers/college-aged kids? (Serious question.) I had my kids in my mid and late thirties, and since we did have financial stability, I fully expect that our retirement won't be delayed (knock wood) just because we weren't in our twenties.

Personally, BTW, I think it's a little odd to be a grandmother in your early fifties, actually, but I would never criticize someone for that. Don't understand why the 20-somethings on this board are so bitter and hostile. (Again, a serious observation.)
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Listen sugar, I will be able to enjoy my retirement and menopause without a toddler running around. "Yuck" is what your child will say when she sees your sagging jaw line and it will be your child that is embarassed when or if you can even make it to the high school graduation and the bleachers don't accomodate walkers. Don't get all sad when little sally asks why you look like little susies grandma and not her mom.


Are you sure you are in your 20s and not your teens? Really, is that the behavior you model for your children?



Simmer down now, don't be getting your depends in a wad. When was the last time you took your hormone replacement?? Those should be taken at the same time every day...never skip a dose.
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Anonymous wrote:People are different. My first cousin had her kids at 23, 25 and 28. She is now in her fifties, her kids are all grown, and she says to me frequently that she wishes she had had her kids later because she hates the empty nest!

And why in the world would it embarrass a child to have an older parent? That I just don't get at all, esp. when it is now so common. I had "older" parents (37 and 40 when they had me, which was older in our day although common now) and I don't ever remember being embarrassed by them, even when I was a teenager.

And why does it take having your kids grown to enjoy retirement? Again, I just don't get that--it's like you're saying children are such an odious burden that you're glad to get rid of them and be done with it in order to be able to enjoy retirement. Why couldn't someone who had children at age 40 enjoy retirement while having teenagers/college-aged kids? (Serious question.) I had my kids in my mid and late thirties, and since we did have financial stability, I fully expect that our retirement won't be delayed (knock wood) just because we weren't in our twenties.

Personally, BTW, I think it's a little odd to be a grandmother in your early fifties, actually, but I would never criticize someone for that. Don't understand why the 20-somethings on this board are so bitter and hostile. (Again, a serious observation.)


It's not odd to be a grandmother in your fifties but it is odd to be a mother of a three year old in your fifties...at least my child will get to know his grandparents before they eat it.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm with you on that. Let's stop pretending that doing it in the mid-40s is the same as doing it in the mid-30s. It's not.


Amen...10 years makes a world of difference.


Well, I had initially regarded this fight from which I should withold my dog because although I had my child in my mid-20s, I know many wonderful mothers who have become parents at a wide variety of ages. Every situation has its advantages and disadvantages, of course. Our night owl contributor, Ms. Financial Stability, really, really bothered me by assuming that comparatively young mothers are undereducated. I'll continue to protest that.

I'll tell you all, though you didn't ask, that my body is markedly different now at 35 than it had been at 25. The wrinkles have started, my back sometimes aches when I straighten up after sitting too long, and there's this recurring pain in my left shoulder... oy. In the last five years, I've had two breast cancer scares, one of which required a biopsy to resolve. It's true, of course, that my own family history, a factor most of you don't share, is responsible for all of this cancer concern, but there's no denying that I've reached the age at which this sort of cr*p is no longer shockingly rare. So although I'm certainly able to "keep up" with my now school-age child and probably would do fine with a couple of younger ones if I were plagued... er, blessed... with them today, I feel my body starting to die. That's kind of a dramatic, self-indulgent way to look at aging, and of course, looming threat of cancer notwithstanding, my body has a long way to go yet, but I, myself, don't feel my body remains young and healthy enough to give life. The tide has clearly turned.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, BTW, I think it's a little odd to be a grandmother in your early fifties, actually, but I would never criticize someone for that.


Given that the average age to have your first kid is 25 (and it was less than that in years past) it's perfectly reasonable to become a grandparent in your 50s (25+25). My mom was 53 (22 when she had me, I was 31 when I had DD). She was a decade older than her mom who was 43 when I (her first grandchild) was born.
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I read this post as a 40 year old with a one year old son, contemplating a second. I stupidly assumed this would be thoughtful, helpful and interesting discussion but it has devolved into a name calling, mean spirited, and completely unproductive post, by women, of ALL ages. It's insane that smart, informed mothers are acting so immature. Is there really an age or station in life or economic status that makes a good parent or bad parent? Isn't it all based on the individual person and how warm and loving they are? Wasn't the original poster looking for helpful anecdotes, support, or constructive comments and this is what she received instead?
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It's so easy to judge when you have not walked in someone else's shoes. If you have not been through years of infertility, lost babies to miscarriages and pre-term labour or other heath issues it’s so easy to decide what is right and wrong for other people. It is easy to laugh at them because they look older than the average parent. You do not know the years of pain that may have gone before. I know the pain of all the above and because I do, I could not wish that on anyone not even all of the posters here who can so easily making judgments and laugh at people like me. LOL all you like, make fun all you like. None of that will take away the joy of one day carrying my child in my arms. None of your criticism, value judgments or righteous indignation will take that away.
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Thank you 15:25 and 15:26 for your thoughtful posts. I personally wish I had skipped the earlier sludgefest. Is there anything worse than moms attacking other moms over when they became moms? Really. Life is really too short, people. Try to spread some holiday cheer. There is enough hate already. Peace & happiness to you all.
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I really liked the 15:11 reply...
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Anonymous wrote:I'm with you on that. Let's stop pretending that doing it in the mid-40s is the same as doing it in the mid-30s. It's not.


Amen...10 years makes a world of difference.


Well, I had initially regarded this fight from which I should withold my dog because although I had my child in my mid-20s, I know many wonderful mothers who have become parents at a wide variety of ages. Every situation has its advantages and disadvantages, of course. Our night owl contributor, Ms. Financial Stability, really, really bothered me by assuming that comparatively young mothers are undereducated. I'll continue to protest that.

I'll tell you all, though you didn't ask, that my body is markedly different now at 35 than it had been at 25. The wrinkles have started, my back sometimes aches when I straighten up after sitting too long, and there's this recurring pain in my left shoulder... oy. In the last five years, I've had two breast cancer scares, one of which required a biopsy to resolve. It's true, of course, that my own family history, a factor most of you don't share, is responsible for all of this cancer concern, but there's no denying that I've reached the age at which this sort of cr*p is no longer shockingly rare. So although I'm certainly able to "keep up" with my now school-age child and probably would do fine with a couple of younger ones if I were plagued... er, blessed... with them today, I feel my body starting to die. That's kind of a dramatic, self-indulgent way to look at aging, and of course, looming threat of cancer notwithstanding, my body has a long way to go yet, but I, myself, don't feel my body remains young and healthy enough to give life. The tide has clearly turned.



Interesting, seriously. But not relevant to others--other people may not have that situation at all. Personally, I am way healthier in my 40s than I was in my 30s.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, BTW, I think it's a little odd to be a grandmother in your early fifties, actually, but I would never criticize someone for that.


Given that the average age to have your first kid is 25 (and it was less than that in years past) it's perfectly reasonable to become a grandparent in your 50s (25+25). My mom was 53 (22 when she had me, I was 31 when I had DD). She was a decade older than her mom who was 43 when I (her first grandchild) was born.


Sure, of course. I didn't say there was anything wrong with or strange about it--I said *I* find it odd. And I do, LOL! I find it odd because no one I know fits that demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:I really liked the 15:11 reply...


That's because you have the maturity level of teenager.
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