Why are heaven or hell the only options

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous to think that you can only choose between those 2 options once you die.
Surely the other side has multiple options on how to be. With each option having their own leaders and entrance requirements.
There are numerous benefits anyway.

When you die, your life has ended, and you don’t go anywhere. You just die like everything else that was once alive - like the trees, and the animals, and the other humans.

That’s just your opinion on what happens after physical death, why are you stating it as a fact?

Why do the countless believers state that gods exist as a fact?

Funny how you didn’t ask them.

People have personal religious beliefs.

People have personal spiritual beliefs.

Whether belief in God is “right” or “wrong” is ultimately a matter of personal conviction and worldview.

What matters is how beliefs are held and expressed. Believing in God is compatible with being thoughtful, compassionate, curious, and respectful of people who hold different beliefs. Likewise, people who do not believe in God can also be thoughtful, compassionate, and ethical.

The PP was asking why some beliefs are stated as facts.

Actually the hypocritical PP only asked atheists this question, not believers.

Atheists and anti theists state openly that there are no God or gods. They state that human kind dies and simply stops existing. They state prayer doesn’t work and that people who believe in angels are mentally ill.

They don’t say that any of those statements are opinions or personal beliefs. They state them as fact.

Religion people have personal religious beliefs and do believe in God/gods.

However, there’s a difference between:

Believing that God exists — “I believe God is real.”

Insisting that everyone else must agree — “God exists, and anyone who disagrees is wrong.”

Atheists not only state their disbelief as a fact, they state everyone who believes that God or gods exists is wrong. They disparage people who believe in religion and God/gods as ignorant and stupid.

A person can firmly believe that God exists without trying to force that belief on others. Likewise, someone can firmly believe that no God exists without insisting that everyone else must agree.

Believers aren’t saying “I believe this”; they frequently state things as facts. You’re a hypocrite not to call that out.

People who state they have a personal religious or spiritual faith are only speaking for themselves.

They aren’t declaring with authority for any other human what is or isn’t.

People who declare or state that:

God doesn’t exist
Prayer doesn’t work
There is no afterlife for a human who dies

are making declarations or statements that have been debated by humanity for centuries, and none have definitive answers.

Each human has the right to think about these questions and decide for themselves what they believe happens.

When a dcum atheist/antitheist types “there’s no God or gods, prayer doesn’t work, or there is no afterlife,” they are wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know.

When someone with faith types and discusses their personal religious beliefs; they are discussing their personal beliefs and experiences.

Atheists are so arrogant they believe that they alone have knowledge that the greatest historical and modern philosophers, theologians, teachers, etc, know they don’t have; and then, they get angry and offended when other people speak about their own personal beliefs and experiences.

How bitter or delusional do you have to be to act this way?

Repeatedly stating your own personal opinions as fact and pretending that no one else has a right to their own personal choices is toxic and troubling.

Hypocrite.

Believers do the EXACT same thing.

You are being unethical, rude, and obtuse.

Every human being has a right to choose their own beliefs and express those beliefs as a personal belief system.

Atheists who state there is no God, prayer doesn’t work, and no afterlife exists are erroneously stating their own opinions as fact for everyone on earth, dead or alive.

A personal relationship with Jesus and God is personal. The person who chooses that relationship with Jesus and God doesn’t declare that everyone else has to believe in Jesus and God, which the atheist does when declaring nothing exists.

You should think ethically about pretending to know these things:

-God doesn’t exist
-prayer doesn’t work
-there’s no afterlife for humans

You are claiming to know these huge and important questions when no one can possibly have the answers to these questions. You aren’t just stating that you personally don’t believe in God, that you don’t believe prayer works, or that you don’t believe in an afterlife.

I believe God exists. I believe prayer works. I believe heaven exists. However, I don’t believe you have to believe those things because I do. You have every right to not believe or believe in something else. My beliefs are personal, because I know via my own beliefs and ethics that everyone has a right to choose what they believe.

You should examine why you believe you alone know these things and why you don’t believe that other people are allowed to believe things you don’t believe in or express themselves.

That’s a very severe and rigid belief system you have, not at all normal.

You are now acting out even further by calling everyone a hypocrite, which is ethically wrong, immature, and adding nothing to the discussion.

You are capable of doing better.

You mean, every human except atheists. They aren’t allowed to state their beliefs as facts.

It’s 100% hypocritical to not call out the EXACT same types of comments from believers.

You should examine why YOU “don’t believe that other people are allowed to believe things you don’t believe in or express themselves.”

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Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

I believe in God- personal belief system.

God doesn’t exist- declaring for the whole world no God exists.

Can you please stop spamming the thread with your personality disorder?

It is off topic and adds zero to the thread.

“ God’s nature includes mercy, justice, compassion, and forgiveness — not just punishment. “

Declaring “God’s nature” as if it were fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

I believe in God- personal belief system.

God doesn’t exist- declaring for the whole world no God exists.

Can you please stop spamming the thread with your personality disorder?

It is off topic and adds zero to the thread.

Declaring that “God is perfect” as if it were fact:


“It’s not that he “can’t take disobedience.”

God is by definition perfect. There can be no sin in His presence. You make the choice between remaining in a sinful state or seeking the redemption he offers.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

You are so gone in your head that you think people who have personal religious beliefs and in a forum that is expressly for discussion of religious beliefs are declaring for the whole world a belief system when they exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.

Meanwhile, atheists and anti-theists have posted thousands of times on this forum that no God exists, prayer doesn’t work, and there’s no afterlife and you are fine with them doing that.

You have a severe problem and are enraged by people exercising the freedom to make their own choices about religion, God, prayer, and afterlife.

Respectfully, because you truly seem to have anger issues, that is a you problem.

Other people’s beliefs should not make you angry and miserable.

[Anonymous]

Declaring their specific beliefs in the afterlife as fact:

“OP, Heaven and Hell are simply place descriptors for being with God or away from God, forever. There is no in between. You are either redeemed of your earthly sin or you are not.”




Hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Declaring their specific beliefs in the afterlife as fact:

“OP, Heaven and Hell are simply place descriptors for being with God or away from God, forever. There is no in between. You are either redeemed of your earthly sin or you are not.”




Hypocrite.

Mentally ill and severe anger issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

You are so gone in your head that you think people who have personal religious beliefs and in a forum that is expressly for discussion of religious beliefs are declaring for the whole world a belief system when they exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.

Meanwhile, atheists and anti-theists have posted thousands of times on this forum that no God exists, prayer doesn’t work, and there’s no afterlife and you are fine with them doing that.

You have a severe problem and are enraged by people exercising the freedom to make their own choices about religion, God, prayer, and afterlife.

Respectfully, because you truly seem to have anger issues, that is a you problem.

Other people’s beliefs should not make you angry and miserable.

Atheists can also “exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.”

Only a hypocritical bigot would not acknowledge that believers frequently make the EXACT same types of comments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Declaring their specific beliefs in the afterlife as fact:

“OP, Heaven and Hell are simply place descriptors for being with God or away from God, forever. There is no in between. You are either redeemed of your earthly sin or you are not.”




Hypocrite.

Mentally ill and severe anger issues.

I guess you are now resorting to baseless ad hominem attacks because you have no defense for your blatant hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

You are so gone in your head that you think people who have personal religious beliefs and in a forum that is expressly for discussion of religious beliefs are declaring for the whole world a belief system when they exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.

Meanwhile, atheists and anti-theists have posted thousands of times on this forum that no God exists, prayer doesn’t work, and there’s no afterlife and you are fine with them doing that.

You have a severe problem and are enraged by people exercising the freedom to make their own choices about religion, God, prayer, and afterlife.

Respectfully, because you truly seem to have anger issues, that is a you problem.

Other people’s beliefs should not make you angry and miserable.

Atheists can also “exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.”

Only a hypocritical bigot would not acknowledge that believers frequently make the EXACT same types of comments.

I am choosing to pray for you, and pray you find peace with the fact that other people are allowed to choose their own beliefs and allowed to express themselves.

It would be a load off your stressed and disordered mind if you learned to express your beliefs in a respectful and thoughtful way; if you truly learned that other people have the same right to do so, and you found a purpose in life other than haunting the dcum religion forum angrily. You are too bitter, miserable, and angry and sit on this forum seething and waiting for a chance to argue with people.

It’s not healthy for your mental or physical state.

I am praying to God that you experience a change that allows you to find peace and comfort and you live and love with intention each day. 🙏❤️

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Declaring their specific beliefs in the afterlife as fact:

“OP, Heaven and Hell are simply place descriptors for being with God or away from God, forever. There is no in between. You are either redeemed of your earthly sin or you are not.”




Hypocrite.

Mentally ill and severe anger issues.

I guess you are now resorting to baseless ad hominem attacks because you have no defense for your blatant hypocrisy.

I am sorry, but you seem very, very troubled. I am sorry you are trapped in pain and miserable circumstances. You deserve better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is that enough examples of the hypocrite neglecting to address the believers who are “wrongly and rudely declaring for the entire world something nobody can know”?

You are so gone in your head that you think people who have personal religious beliefs and in a forum that is expressly for discussion of religious beliefs are declaring for the whole world a belief system when they exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.

Meanwhile, atheists and anti-theists have posted thousands of times on this forum that no God exists, prayer doesn’t work, and there’s no afterlife and you are fine with them doing that.

You have a severe problem and are enraged by people exercising the freedom to make their own choices about religion, God, prayer, and afterlife.

Respectfully, because you truly seem to have anger issues, that is a you problem.

Other people’s beliefs should not make you angry and miserable.

Atheists can also “exercise their constitutional right to free expression, speech, and religion.”

Only a hypocritical bigot would not acknowledge that believers frequently make the EXACT same types of comments.

I am choosing to pray for you, and pray you find peace with the fact that other people are allowed to choose their own beliefs and allowed to express themselves.

It would be a load off your stressed and disordered mind if you learned to express your beliefs in a respectful and thoughtful way; if you truly learned that other people have the same right to do so, and you found a purpose in life other than haunting the dcum religion forum angrily. You are too bitter, miserable, and angry and sit on this forum seething and waiting for a chance to argue with people.

It’s not healthy for your mental or physical state.

I am praying to God that you experience a change that allows you to find peace and comfort and you live and love with intention each day. 🙏❤️

I present facts and you resort to more baseless ad hominem attacks and more hypocrisy. (and projection)

Despite your bigotry, atheists are also “allowed to choose their own beliefs and allowed to express themselves”.