Disruptive kids. Who is at fault the teacher or the kid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone loves to blame teachers after they create a little monster through apathy and zero accountability. The teacher is the only one who gives a damn and they are under paid over worked and assaulted by parents, peers, and students. Then they get blamed because they let themselves be assaulted and harassed. Then fired, blacklisted, and careers ruined because parents and students want to game a system.

Yes, kids are supposed to behave like robots so the teachers are not stressed out. I saw several teachers being able to manage difficult kids in classrooms. The problem is with inexperienced teachers.

If only there were degrees of behavior between “little monsters” and “robots.”

Oh, wait. Good news! There are!

🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty much the only punishment teachers are allowed to use is taking away recess, and the parents absolutely howl if you do that because “it’s not developmentally appropriate for kids full of energy” so I’d love to know what punishment they’d accept for their darlings. They are terribly disruptive and the parents just excuse it with “they’re social and love talking with their friends” provided that the friends are the right ones from the good neighborhood.

I’m envious of any teacher that is allowed to take away recess.
Even when I started teaching in public school 20 years ago, we weren’t allowed to take away recess
Teachers truly have their hands tied in trying to deal with misbehavior.
It’s for this reason, along with parents like the OP I walked away from teaching without a means of earning a comparable income.

Thank goodness you walked away from teaching. There's a reason why we don't want to take recess away! Inmates get more outside time than kids do during the school day. Adults get more freedom in a 9-5 workday (unless you work in a factory) than our kids get in school.
Wake up people!!!

“Wake up,” yourself.

Congratulations. You’re the problem. Also, it sounds like homeschooling is right for you. 🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty much the only punishment teachers are allowed to use is taking away recess, and the parents absolutely howl if you do that because “it’s not developmentally appropriate for kids full of energy” so I’d love to know what punishment they’d accept for their darlings. They are terribly disruptive and the parents just excuse it with “they’re social and love talking with their friends” provided that the friends are the right ones from the good neighborhood.

I’m envious of any teacher that is allowed to take away recess.
Even when I started teaching in public school 20 years ago, we weren’t allowed to take away recess
Teachers truly have their hands tied in trying to deal with misbehavior.
It’s for this reason, along with parents like the OP I walked away from teaching without a means of earning a comparable income.

I'm a retired teacher and a mom, and taking away recess as a way to control the classroom is idiotic. Recess is often the one thing that keeps a lot of these kids from misbehaving, especially in the early grades. It's not a reward for good behavior, it's an essential part of the day.

A lot of kids don't even like recess, but they need it.

If you want to use rewards or denial of rewards for classroom management, you have to build it into the structure of your classroom. I've had kids earn things like a Friday treat with a week of good behavior in a specific area. That can be a good way to reinforce rules around a specific activity, like lining up (which is such a PITA with elementary kids).

But taking away what is often their one opportunity during the day to run around and be really, really physical is not going to get you better behavior in the long run. It might get you compliance in the moment (maybe) but in the long run it will get worse. In fact, when I had classes that were more unruly than usual, I'd often look for ways to build in more outdoor time and more physical activity during the day -- I would have them do counting games on the field where they had to run to cones to count by 5s. Or we'd do short neighborhood walks to reinforce science lessons about plants or trees, or to collect observations for writing poems or stories. Getting kids out of their chairs and moving around, even for 10-15 minutes, often means a calmer, more attentive class in the longrun.

That's why teacher's aren't allowed to take away recess. Because it's a dumb practice. It's like a parent trying to control behavior by sending a kid to bed without dinner. They are just going to get hungrier and behave worse!

Nope. Your connect is what’s “idiotic.” Yes, I know everything you just spewed is the current psychobabble du jour. It’s still wrong.

I’m GenX. We moved around a lot. I attended MULTIPLE public schools in several states. Taking away recess *worked.* It happened, the kid didn’t like it and they changed their behavior so the consequence they didn’t like wouldn’t happen again. Now teachers can’t do that, lest they hurt the kid’s little fee-fees. Oh please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids are more disruptive than before, but also the new batch of teachers don't give me the best impression. It used to be that very smart and qualified people decided to be a teacher. Now they go somewhere else.

Gee, I can’t imagine why that would be. Whatever has changed about the conditions in which teachers are expected to perform? 🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes it's not the kid. Many times it's other people's kid that sets off the kid. Many times it's admin who blame the teachers instead of the kid. They fire the teachers for not fraud g the kids data to make them look good.

The PARENTS! Always the parents. If there is consistent disruptive behavior that has nothing to do with having a disability, then something is going on at home. ALWAYS!!!

Or there is nothing going on at home. No rules, no discipline. Kids who never hear “no”

“He’s not like this at home!”

No kidding. Because you have exactly zero expectations of him that don’t involve spending every waking moment between school and bed staring at YouTube on his iPad or playing video games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes a kid is disruptive because the class is not challenging enough.

At least 75% of parents of disruptive kids believe this to be true of their kid.

Being generous, 0.5% of them are correct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I knew a high school teacher who left the MCPS to take a similar job at a local private. He told me that he could no longer tell disruptive kids to shut up and sit down without risking his job. Effective discipline was impossible. The inmates were in charge,

Funny (although not really) that you would refer to disruptive kids as inmates. Maybe if schools weren't organized in the same way as prisons? Maybe if kids had at least the same amount of outside time as inmates?

Surely you aren’t sending your kids to those “prisons,” because that would make you a bad parent. You aren’t a bad parent, are you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes a kid is disruptive because the class is not challenging enough.

At least 75% of parents of disruptive kids believe this to be true of their kid.

Being generous, 0.5% of them are correct.

In my school there were very few disruptive kids because teachers were excellent. And also parents were not judging those kids like you are doing now. Definitely those were better times (with better parents as well).