How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

This might be the most inane, ridiculous troll post of all time. You have to try harder, please.

Calling people trolls because they have a different pov than you is weak.

Posting nuclear grade stupidity on purpose is worse.

Evolution is a theory and still being actively studied.

Yes, that’s how science works.

And “intelligent design” is an irrational cope for people who aren’t grounded in reality.

Reality for you is spending all your days on dcum telling people how logical and rational you are.

I haven’t said that at all. We have been discussing if believers are rational, not me.

Try to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

So you are clueless about science in general, not just evolution.

That tracks.

Making up supernatural explanations for things you don’t understand isn’t rational.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

This might be the most inane, ridiculous troll post of all time. You have to try harder, please.

Calling people trolls because they have a different pov than you is weak.

Posting nuclear grade stupidity on purpose is worse.

Evolution is a theory and still being actively studied.

Yes, that’s how science works.

And “intelligent design” is an irrational cope for people who aren’t grounded in reality.

Reality for you is spending all your days on dcum telling people how logical and rational you are.

DP - are you saying it is a negative to be logical and rational?

That's all we need to know!

No. I am saying if you have to say it- you are not. You are insecure. You are probably trying to convince yourself you are logical and rational, as well as everyone around you. Especially if you repeat it several times a day, everyday.

I think anyone who believes in God is insecure and irrational. PS I am not PP. I understand childhood indoctrination. I too was indoctrinated as a child, but I grew up.

Thanks for sharing. Is there any chance your childhood trauma of "indoctrination" makes you overly critical in your judgement of "anyone who believes in God"? Like maybe it's a lifestyle choice like believing meditation makes you kinder and more patient?

Some posters have a long history of issues within their family, and they blame religion/God. Instead of their mean and cruel family members.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

This might be the most inane, ridiculous troll post of all time. You have to try harder, please.

Calling people trolls because they have a different pov than you is weak.

Posting nuclear grade stupidity on purpose is worse.

Evolution is a theory and still being actively studied.

Yes, that’s how science works.

And “intelligent design” is an irrational cope for people who aren’t grounded in reality.

Reality for you is spending all your days on dcum telling people how logical and rational you are.

DP - are you saying it is a negative to be logical and rational?

That's all we need to know!

No. I am saying if you have to say it- you are not. You are insecure. You are probably trying to convince yourself you are logical and rational, as well as everyone around you. Especially if you repeat it several times a day, everyday.

I think anyone who believes in God is insecure and irrational. PS I am not PP. I understand childhood indoctrination. I too was indoctrinated as a child, but I grew up.

Thanks for sharing. Is there any chance your childhood trauma of "indoctrination" makes you overly critical in your judgement of "anyone who believes in God"? Like maybe it's a lifestyle choice like believing meditation makes you kinder and more patient?

Some posters have a long history of issues within their family, and they blame religion/God. Instead of their mean and cruel family members.

And some religious people are just plain idiots in addition to being pedophiles. Not YOU of course, because I would never insinuate anything without evidence of it, because that would be WRONG, right? So we can agree not to do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Correction, according to pew most people think Trump IS an atheist.

"Not too or not at all religious" doesn't mean atheist. That actually describes most believers.

Anyway, Trump has said many times over the years that he believes in god and heaven.

The reason religions put belief above other attributes is that at least as of now, it isn't provable whether someone believes or not. So anyone can believe and feel righteous with no easy way to prove they aren't a believer and follower. Maybe technology will change that and soon we will be able to test people's beliefs neurologically. But for now, many people say they believe in God and then do exactly the opposite of what that God tells humans to do. It's low hanging fruit to believe something. You don't actually have to do anything.

You can actually believe in god and still not do what god tells you to do.

Just like people believe that laws exist and still don’t follow them.

But in your analogy they dont think those laws are important right? So are you saying they dont think God's laws are important? They believe but dont really like what God says to do?

Do you think that all people who believe god exists do every single thing that they think that god wants them to do? 100%

If that were the case then why would anyone need “forgiveness”?

Do you think people who believe in God are perfect or supposed to be perfect?

We are all sinners.

Sinning actually doesnt make sense related to a god. Related to humans it makes sense because we have the capacity to hurt others. If God wanted us all to go to heaven and not sin 0we wouldn't need forgiveness or sin. Humans are just evolved mammals that invented religion and government to keep their societies in check. That makes way more sense than God wanting us to go to heaven and making us in his image but us having a hard time becoming like him. It also matches up with the history of humans who invented religion once societies were formed.
People don't follow laws of the world because either they think they are stupid and people who made them stupid or they are not thinking about good choices and being pulled by animal instincts or are being threatened or enticed by other people. Otherwise they typically follow them. The same is true for religious laws. God has nothing to do with it. They are all just laws made up by other men that people follow or don't based on their needs and wants.

You are expressing your opinion. I am quoting the Bible. The quote is important because we are discussing Christianity and the beliefs of people who are Christians.

Whatever opinions you have about religion are your own personal thoughts and not facts.

For a group of people who demand facts and evidence and studies and hard data, you certainly aren’t shy about posting paragraph after paragraph of your own personal thoughts and expecting everyone to take it as fact,

Such a contradiction.

Do you think animals sin?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

You are referring to this discovery?
"Fish oil supplements may not always support brain recovery, as EPA was linked to impaired healing after repeated mild brain injuries"

Why am I not surprised 😂

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We confirmed the existence of yet another water-based planet about a 100 light years from here. Currently called TOI-1452b. About seven times bigger than Earth and all water.

It seems very likely that life exists elsewhere. Space is immense. And there is not anything particularly unique about Earth compared to the billions of galaxies and trillions of planets.

Show me your god. Where is your Earth god?

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Belief is not rational. It’s why faiths invest so much time and effort in indoctrinating children when they’re young. The more bogus the story, the more likely they are to insulate their children from the outside world in the hopes that it sticks. They know their crap is so flimsy and nonsensical it can’t survive outside scrutiny.

Remember this every time one of these nuts talks about public schools or drag queens “indoctrinating” children. Mental and physical abuse is all they know and they can’t help but project. These people really believe they “own” children.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the balanced approach of PP and what the benefits are. In my mind, the benefits do not outweigh the manipulation and violence of religion that we have seen proven out time and again. Usually by people who are using the religion for their own purposes, unfortunately, and are not true followers.

Anything can be manipulated. Look at how democracy in the US is being manipulated and abused right now.

Don't disagree at all. But religion is one of the worst things to manipulate because it gives people hope, preys upon their fears and their sense of worth. Both can be true.

Why is giving people hope negative?

Read, please. The "manipulation" of hope is the evil part. The manipulation of religion is the evil part. And every single religion over time has had its share of manipulators and charlatans. There's serious data to this.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

This might be the most inane, ridiculous troll post of all time. You have to try harder, please.

Calling people trolls because they have a different pov than you is weak.

Posting nuclear grade stupidity on purpose is worse.

Evolution is a theory and still being actively studied.

Yes, that’s how science works.

And “intelligent design” is an irrational cope for people who aren’t grounded in reality.

Reality for you is spending all your days on dcum telling people how logical and rational you are.

DP - are you saying it is a negative to be logical and rational?

That's all we need to know!

No. I am saying if you have to say it- you are not. You are insecure. You are probably trying to convince yourself you are logical and rational, as well as everyone around you. Especially if you repeat it several times a day, everyday.

I think anyone who believes in God is insecure and irrational. PS I am not PP. I understand childhood indoctrination. I too was indoctrinated as a child, but I grew up.

Thanks for sharing. Is there any chance your childhood trauma of "indoctrination" makes you overly critical in your judgement of "anyone who believes in God"? Like maybe it's a lifestyle choice like believing meditation makes you kinder and more patient?

Some posters have a long history of issues within their family, and they blame religion/God. Instead of their mean and cruel family members.

That would be the same mean and cruel family members forcing the religion. I know people that were kicked out of their homes as children when their parents found out they were gay. That’s pretty cruel, not to mention illegal. But their fellow church members were cheering it on.

What is church but not the people within it? If the religion and the church is filled with cruel and heartless people, and the dogma attracts cruel and heartless people, how can anyone with humanity respect it?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

You are referring to this discovery?
"Fish oil supplements may not always support brain recovery, as EPA was linked to impaired healing after repeated mild brain injuries"

Why am I not surprised 😂

No.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s irrational to deny intelligent design. The human body alone is incredibly intelligent along with plant life even ants.

Every creature has its own self regulating system that doesn’t seem like it occurred via chance but supernatural design

This is a troll post. Even kent hovind does a better job than this. But....

If you understood evolution you would know it has nothing to do with "chance", is completely logical when you look at the evidence, and backed up by genetic evidence also. ID has NONE of that. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

For years, scientists and medical doctors constantly pushed omega-3 fish oil on people. They said it’s very necessary for our health. Now, they are saying not only is it not necessary, it could harm people.

If medical doctors and scientists can’t get fish oil right, they definitely aren’t getting the creation of the world and species right. Get back to us when they definitively figure out gravity.

This might be the most inane, ridiculous troll post of all time. You have to try harder, please.

Calling people trolls because they have a different pov than you is weak.

Posting nuclear grade stupidity on purpose is worse.

Evolution is a theory and still being actively studied.

Yes, that’s how science works.

And “intelligent design” is an irrational cope for people who aren’t grounded in reality.

Reality for you is spending all your days on dcum telling people how logical and rational you are.

DP - are you saying it is a negative to be logical and rational?

That's all we need to know!

No. I am saying if you have to say it- you are not. You are insecure. You are probably trying to convince yourself you are logical and rational, as well as everyone around you. Especially if you repeat it several times a day, everyday.

I think anyone who believes in God is insecure and irrational. PS I am not PP. I understand childhood indoctrination. I too was indoctrinated as a child, but I grew up.

Thanks for sharing. Is there any chance your childhood trauma of "indoctrination" makes you overly critical in your judgement of "anyone who believes in God"? Like maybe it's a lifestyle choice like believing meditation makes you kinder and more patient?

Some posters have a long history of issues within their family, and they blame religion/God. Instead of their mean and cruel family members.

That would be the same mean and cruel family members forcing the religion. I know people that were kicked out of their homes as children when their parents found out they were gay. That’s pretty cruel, not to mention illegal. But their fellow church members were cheering it on.

What is church but not the people within it? If the religion and the church is filled with cruel and heartless people, and the dogma attracts cruel and heartless people, how can anyone with humanity respect it?

Your experience is not universal. How many gay friends were kicked out of their homes? Did your family take them in? What church denomination was this? My very gay cousin is embraced by his very conservative Baptist parents and church family.

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Anonymous wrote:Correction, according to pew most people think Trump IS an atheist.

"Not too or not at all religious" doesn't mean atheist. That actually describes most believers.

Anyway, Trump has said many times over the years that he believes in god and heaven.

The reason religions put belief above other attributes is that at least as of now, it isn't provable whether someone believes or not. So anyone can believe and feel righteous with no easy way to prove they aren't a believer and follower. Maybe technology will change that and soon we will be able to test people's beliefs neurologically. But for now, many people say they believe in God and then do exactly the opposite of what that God tells humans to do. It's low hanging fruit to believe something. You don't actually have to do anything.

You can actually believe in god and still not do what god tells you to do.

Just like people believe that laws exist and still don’t follow them.

But in your analogy they dont think those laws are important right? So are you saying they dont think God's laws are important? They believe but dont really like what God says to do?

Do you think that all people who believe god exists do every single thing that they think that god wants them to do? 100%

If that were the case then why would anyone need “forgiveness”?

Do you think people who believe in God are perfect or supposed to be perfect?

We are all sinners.

Sinning actually doesnt make sense related to a god. Related to humans it makes sense because we have the capacity to hurt others. If God wanted us all to go to heaven and not sin 0we wouldn't need forgiveness or sin. Humans are just evolved mammals that invented religion and government to keep their societies in check. That makes way more sense than God wanting us to go to heaven and making us in his image but us having a hard time becoming like him. It also matches up with the history of humans who invented religion once societies were formed.
People don't follow laws of the world because either they think they are stupid and people who made them stupid or they are not thinking about good choices and being pulled by animal instincts or are being threatened or enticed by other people. Otherwise they typically follow them. The same is true for religious laws. God has nothing to do with it. They are all just laws made up by other men that people follow or don't based on their needs and wants.

You are expressing your opinion. I am quoting the Bible. The quote is important because we are discussing Christianity and the beliefs of people who are Christians.

Whatever opinions you have about religion are your own personal thoughts and not facts.

For a group of people who demand facts and evidence and studies and hard data, you certainly aren’t shy about posting paragraph after paragraph of your own personal thoughts and expecting everyone to take it as fact,

Such a contradiction.

Do you think animals sin?

Do you?

Are you a Christian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We confirmed the existence of yet another water-based planet about a 100 light years from here. Currently called TOI-1452b. About seven times bigger than Earth and all water.

It seems very likely that life exists elsewhere. Space is immense. And there is not anything particularly unique about Earth compared to the billions of galaxies and trillions of planets.

Show me your god. Where is your Earth god?

It’s habitability is not yet confirmed and requires atmospheric study.

The existence of the water on this planet has not been confirmed. We have not directly detected oceans or liquid water on the surface. We don’t know yet if it actually has a surface ocean, or if it has a thick atmosphere instead. We don’t know if conditions are even suitable for liquid water long-term on TOI-1452b.

You posted something that has not been actually proven yet as confirmed.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the balanced approach of PP and what the benefits are. In my mind, the benefits do not outweigh the manipulation and violence of religion that we have seen proven out time and again. Usually by people who are using the religion for their own purposes, unfortunately, and are not true followers.

Anything can be manipulated. Look at how democracy in the US is being manipulated and abused right now.

Don't disagree at all. But religion is one of the worst things to manipulate because it gives people hope, preys upon their fears and their sense of worth. Both can be true.

Why is giving people hope negative?

Read, please. The "manipulation" of hope is the evil part. The manipulation of religion is the evil part. And every single religion over time has had its share of manipulators and charlatans. There's serious data to this.

That’s not really controversial—any system involving humans will attract some bad actors.

Every government has corruption, therefore all governments are equally bad.

Every science field has fraud cases, therefore science itself isn’t reliable.

There’s serious data to the fact that manipulators and charlatans have existed in every system inhabited and by humans.