How can rational people believe in any religion?

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Anonymous wrote:We confirmed the existence of yet another water-based planet about a 100 light years from here. Currently called TOI-1452b. About seven times bigger than Earth and all water.

It seems very likely that life exists elsewhere. Space is immense. And there is not anything particularly unique about Earth compared to the billions of galaxies and trillions of planets.

Show me your god. Where is your Earth god?

To be 100% direct: There is no planet outside our solar system where the presence of liquid water has been definitively confirmed.

Do not listen to any anonymous person posting “facts” on the internet.

Including you, right?

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

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Anonymous wrote:I like the balanced approach of PP and what the benefits are. In my mind, the benefits do not outweigh the manipulation and violence of religion that we have seen proven out time and again. Usually by people who are using the religion for their own purposes, unfortunately, and are not true followers.

Anything can be manipulated. Look at how democracy in the US is being manipulated and abused right now.

Don't disagree at all. But religion is one of the worst things to manipulate because it gives people hope, preys upon their fears and their sense of worth. Both can be true.

Why is giving people hope negative?

Read, please. The "manipulation" of hope is the evil part. The manipulation of religion is the evil part. And every single religion over time has had its share of manipulators and charlatans. There's serious data to this.

That’s not really controversial—any system involving humans will attract some bad actors.

Every government has corruption, therefore all governments are equally bad.

Every science field has fraud cases, therefore science itself isn’t reliable.

There’s serious data to the fact that manipulators and charlatans have existed in every system inhabited and by humans.

And your argument tactic of "Nothing New Under the Sun" (look it up) is trying to diminish a serious discussion on how it has to do specifically with religion. On this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

And yet all the building blocks necessary have been:

“Science has observed and replicated key individual steps, including the synthesis of amino acids, nucleotides, and self-replicating RNA in lab settings, confirming that the chemical foundations of life can arise from inorganic materials“

All that is missing is the billions of years necessary for it to happen. So just be patient. lol…

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

Uh... because it happened before humans could observe

[Anonymous]

Rational people know not to waste time convincing others to abandon their religious beliefs.

Of course, if the religion is that they need to kill people/non-believer or do forced/deceptive conversions, then rational people should do the needful to root out such evil.

[Anonymous]

Irregardless of the beginning of life, its very easy to pick apart ALL modern religions and see that they make no sense and are born from the culture they came from.

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CS Lewis

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

And yet all the building blocks necessary have been:

“Science has observed and replicated key individual steps, including the synthesis of amino acids, nucleotides, and self-replicating RNA in lab settings, confirming that the chemical foundations of life can arise from inorganic materials“

All that is missing is the billions of years necessary for it to happen. So just be patient. lol…

Weak sauce, bro.

“Here’s all this sheet metal, fiberglass, wires, and fabric. Let’s just wait around until it assembles itself into a jumbo jet.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Irregardless of the beginning of life, its very easy to pick apart ALL modern religions and see that they make no sense and are born from the culture they came from.

Thanks for proving 1 Corinthians 1:18 true—
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

And yet all the building blocks necessary have been:

“Science has observed and replicated key individual steps, including the synthesis of amino acids, nucleotides, and self-replicating RNA in lab settings, confirming that the chemical foundations of life can arise from inorganic materials“

All that is missing is the billions of years necessary for it to happen. So just be patient. lol…

Weak sauce, bro.

“Here’s all this sheet metal, fiberglass, wires, and fabric. Let’s just wait around until it assembles itself into a jumbo jet.”

No no no no no. You could not be more wrong, and you would not have a more nonsensical response if your cat walked on your keyboard. It is the total opposite.

There is evidence, lots of it, repeatable in a lab. Also, those same building block elements found in space. Plus we have a nearly infinite list of chemicals combining without intervention on their own without intervention.

What there is ZERO evidence for is your deity. THAT'S what's crazy about your position. You demand 100% perfect repeatable evidence for the scientific position and yet require 0% for your own. Hypocrite much?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Irregardless of the beginning of life, its very easy to pick apart ALL modern religions and see that they make no sense and are born from the culture they came from.

Thanks for proving 1 Corinthians 1:18 true—
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

“Some people will believe anything they read.” -Me

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Irregardless of the beginning of life, its very easy to pick apart ALL modern religions and see that they make no sense and are born from the culture they came from.

Thanks for proving 1 Corinthians 1:18 true—
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

“Some people will believe anything they read.” -Me

+1. LMAO. have you seen the comedian Dan Docimo about Paul's letter to the Corinthians " why are you reading other people's mail...and then obeying it"

Hysterical. totally insane that we have people still able to convince themselves that they should follow the rules set out thousands of years ago (only some of the rules, though). It's a complete lesson in the power of indoctrination. And wishful thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How can non-religious people believe:

- Something arose from nothing
- Order emerged from chaos
- Life arose from non-life
- The personal arose from the non-personal
- Reason emerged from non-reason
- Morality arose from matter

I'm not religious, but seriously, have you even looked at nature? It's totally amazing and totally capable of doing all that you list. Maybe that in itself is a form of religion or spirituality

Abiogenesis has never been observed in nature.

And yet all the building blocks necessary have been:

“Science has observed and replicated key individual steps, including the synthesis of amino acids, nucleotides, and self-replicating RNA in lab settings, confirming that the chemical foundations of life can arise from inorganic materials“

All that is missing is the billions of years necessary for it to happen. So just be patient. lol…

Weak sauce, bro.

“Here’s all this sheet metal, fiberglass, wires, and fabric. Let’s just wait around until it assembles itself into a jumbo jet.”

No no no no no. You could not be more wrong, and you would not have a more nonsensical response if your cat walked on your keyboard. It is the total opposite.

There is evidence, lots of it, repeatable in a lab. Also, those same building block elements found in space. Plus we have a nearly infinite list of chemicals combining without intervention on their own without intervention.

What there is ZERO evidence for is your deity. THAT'S what's crazy about your position. You demand 100% perfect repeatable evidence for the scientific position and yet require 0% for your own. Hypocrite much?

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