Are we abandoning Israel?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Zionistjew crashes out on anti-zionist, anti-genocide religiousjews. She is symbolic of the problem.


'What flag is that? You're a Jew': Woman confronts pro-Palestine Jewish protesters in New York

Yeah, sure that white blonde woman is "from Israel."

She's from Europe, and thinks she's entitled to someone else's land. Insane.

the blonde lady is a real nut.

Truth be told though, Germany is doing the same thing for Israel as a nation. Just playing cover-up and stand-by while the ultra-nationalist Jews happily murder an entire race.

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Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon.

How old are you? If you're over 30, you can tell yourself that. But younger people see Israel for the terrorist state it is.

DP. "Younger people" - presumably, like you - are just showing your profound ignorance. You really, really want to forget the Holocaust ever existed. I imagine you like to tell yourself it actually didn't happen, amirite?

No- you are wrong, younger people and history buffs realize that the scope of the holocaust is much larger than 6 million, it ws 12-14 million who died in the camps. the only people who want people to forget are the Israelis, they certainly dont want anyone to remember that there were other victims of teh Nazi brutality or that there were colored victims of teh allies who were just caught up in freedom fighting from brutal colonization and couldn't care less about any European power- they were ALL BAD. Its teh Isrealis who dont want anyone to learn anything from the war-- they want everyone to forget about the Geneva convention. to forget about the horror people faced upto and tried to prevent from happening again by their rejection of all the norms of warfare that were established as a reaction to the horrors of the world wars as well as the systematic undermining of institutions that were created to limit conflict like Nato and the UN b/c they constrain plans for Greater Isreal. so no, its the Isrealis who want people to forget the horrors or to accept that humanity is incapable of learning of learning from history. of the few survivors left- many are incredibly vocal against this current regime & speak out against what is happening, how many support it??? I can think of one in support and 5 against off the top of my head.

So in your racist worldview, Jews are centering themselves in the holocaust. You want Israel dismantled, you want Jordan dismantled, you want Lebanon dismantled, you want Syria dismantled, presumably you also want Egypt dismantled? India dismantled as they are all countries formed post-WWII with state religions. I am not sure what GenZ-oodles for brains thinks will fill the power vacuum or how installing American-style secular governments would work (that would seem to be colonialism itself- which I thought you were against?) - those older than you remember Yugoslavia (you don't read, otherwise we would tell you to look it up). There has always been racism against Jews on the far left and on the far right - what your generation is doing is not new. Much to criticize in Netayahu's government - but if he is a genocidal maniac - so is Obama. So is the MPD, for that matter. And so is every other European, Middle Eastern, or African leader from time immemorial. Even with highest estimates available, roughly 50,000 civilians were killed in Gaza. That is a much lower civilian casulaty rate of any 21th century war involving urban warfare. 70k protestors were murdered in Iran - and you and your friends held parties to celebrate. 2.5 Sudanese civilians were murdered - but you and your friends couldn't care less. Because that's the thorny truth of this all. If Palestinians are indigenous, so are Jews. If Jews are white settler-colonialists, so are Palestinians. And I say this to right-wing Israelis as well. Palestinians deserve self-determination. Jews deserve self-determination. Kurds deserve self-determination. Alwaites deserve self-determination. That is true "liberation" for everyone in the region. And the hyper-focus on Israel is because of racism against Jews, and colorism that favors white victims like Palestinians (or Ukrainians for that matter). So, abandon Israel - and embrace Iran. It's not going to help you get a job or afford housing or settle any of your copious domestic grievances. History tells us that when racism against Jews reaches a fever point - other bad things tend to happen. Ignore it at your peril - and your hate will just create more Zionists. Which seems to be the opposite of what you want.

India, Egypt, Iraq/Syria, Persia and China are the oldest civilizations on the planet. Pretending that some of those were created post WW2 is such utter bullcrap and blatant spin that it makes everything you say suspect.

Again, an old-school encyclopedia would be your friend, Z-bot. Judea is one of the oldest civilization. Iraq and Syria are not civilizations. Persia is indeed an old civilization - that was settler-colonialized by Islamicists. Ditto Kurdistan. Ditto Chaldeans. But as nation states, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, India are rougly the same age as Israel.

Egypt is far older than Israel. Jacob’s sons all moved to Egypt when there was no country of Israel. They and their multiple generations of descendants were slaves in Egypt before Moses’ deliverance. And then Jews walked around in the desert for another forty years before finding a landing pad. Moses who predated the first king of Israel, Saul, lived approximately 1500BC. Whereas Saul was approximately 1050BC. So no, Egypt and Israel are not the same in age. Iraq is former Babylon.

this is a joke, right? We are basing real world decisions and behavior on an ancient book of myths? I'm so tired of people acting like we should all just accept this as fact...that the "bible" is a history book with enough validity to base our lives on. And by the way...where has that gotten the damn world?

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Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon.

How old are you? If you're over 30, you can tell yourself that. But younger people see Israel for the terrorist state it is.

DP. "Younger people" - presumably, like you - are just showing your profound ignorance. You really, really want to forget the Holocaust ever existed. I imagine you like to tell yourself it actually didn't happen, amirite?

No- you are wrong, younger people and history buffs realize that the scope of the holocaust is much larger than 6 million, it ws 12-14 million who died in the camps. the only people who want people to forget are the Israelis, they certainly dont want anyone to remember that there were other victims of teh Nazi brutality or that there were colored victims of teh allies who were just caught up in freedom fighting from brutal colonization and couldn't care less about any European power- they were ALL BAD. Its teh Isrealis who dont want anyone to learn anything from the war-- they want everyone to forget about the Geneva convention. to forget about the horror people faced upto and tried to prevent from happening again by their rejection of all the norms of warfare that were established as a reaction to the horrors of the world wars as well as the systematic undermining of institutions that were created to limit conflict like Nato and the UN b/c they constrain plans for Greater Isreal. so no, its the Isrealis who want people to forget the horrors or to accept that humanity is incapable of learning of learning from history. of the few survivors left- many are incredibly vocal against this current regime & speak out against what is happening, how many support it??? I can think of one in support and 5 against off the top of my head.

So in your racist worldview, Jews are centering themselves in the holocaust. You want Israel dismantled, you want Jordan dismantled, you want Lebanon dismantled, you want Syria dismantled, presumably you also want Egypt dismantled? India dismantled as they are all countries formed post-WWII with state religions. I am not sure what GenZ-oodles for brains thinks will fill the power vacuum or how installing American-style secular governments would work (that would seem to be colonialism itself- which I thought you were against?) - those older than you remember Yugoslavia (you don't read, otherwise we would tell you to look it up). There has always been racism against Jews on the far left and on the far right - what your generation is doing is not new. Much to criticize in Netayahu's government - but if he is a genocidal maniac - so is Obama. So is the MPD, for that matter. And so is every other European, Middle Eastern, or African leader from time immemorial. Even with highest estimates available, roughly 50,000 civilians were killed in Gaza. That is a much lower civilian casulaty rate of any 21th century war involving urban warfare. 70k protestors were murdered in Iran - and you and your friends held parties to celebrate. 2.5 Sudanese civilians were murdered - but you and your friends couldn't care less. Because that's the thorny truth of this all. If Palestinians are indigenous, so are Jews. If Jews are white settler-colonialists, so are Palestinians. And I say this to right-wing Israelis as well. Palestinians deserve self-determination. Jews deserve self-determination. Kurds deserve self-determination. Alwaites deserve self-determination. That is true "liberation" for everyone in the region. And the hyper-focus on Israel is because of racism against Jews, and colorism that favors white victims like Palestinians (or Ukrainians for that matter). So, abandon Israel - and embrace Iran. It's not going to help you get a job or afford housing or settle any of your copious domestic grievances. History tells us that when racism against Jews reaches a fever point - other bad things tend to happen. Ignore it at your peril - and your hate will just create more Zionists. Which seems to be the opposite of what you want.

India, Egypt, Iraq/Syria, Persia and China are the oldest civilizations on the planet. Pretending that some of those were created post WW2 is such utter bullcrap and blatant spin that it makes everything you say suspect.

Again, an old-school encyclopedia would be your friend, Z-bot. Judea is one of the oldest civilization. Iraq and Syria are not civilizations. Persia is indeed an old civilization - that was settler-colonialized by Islamicists. Ditto Kurdistan. Ditto Chaldeans. But as nation states, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, India are rougly the same age as Israel.

Egypt is far older than Israel. Jacob’s sons all moved to Egypt when there was no country of Israel. They and their multiple generations of descendants were slaves in Egypt before Moses’ deliverance. And then Jews walked around in the desert for another forty years before finding a landing pad. Moses who predated the first king of Israel, Saul, lived approximately 1500BC. Whereas Saul was approximately 1050BC. So no, Egypt and Israel are not the same in age. Iraq is former Babylon.

this is a joke, right? We are basing real world decisions and behavior on an ancient book of myths? I'm so tired of people acting like we should all just accept this as fact...that the "bible" is a history book with enough validity to base our lives on. And by the way...where has that gotten the damn world?

If only it was. Both the evangelicals and religious zionists think that way. The irony, as the post you quoted pointed out, is that they even lie about historical facts to build up their case.

[Anonymous]

No because these are the 6 types of politicians in the United States:

1. Bought by Israel
2. Blackmailed by Israel
3. Dual citizen of Israel
4. Scared of Israel
5. Killed by Israel
6. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna

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Anonymous wrote:No because these are the 6 types of politicians in the United States:

1. Bought by Israel
2. Blackmailed by Israel
3. Dual citizen of Israel
4. Scared of Israel
5. Killed by Israel
6. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna

Rahm Emanuel and the Third Way is planning to spend 30-50 million dollars attacking progressive. AIPAC is backing them.

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Anonymous wrote:No because these are the 6 types of politicians in the United States:

1. Bought by Israel
2. Blackmailed by Israel
3. Dual citizen of Israel
4. Scared of Israel
5. Killed by Israel
6. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna

Rahm Emanuel and the Third Way is planning to spend 30-50 million dollars attacking progressive. AIPAC is backing them.

Rahm Emmanuel is the son of a legit terrorist. His dad was involved in the King David bombing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that you sitting there for years watching Wolf "AIPAC/Jerusalem Post" Blitzer or reading trash like Tom Friedman, are the "informed" ones, but the kids seeing things like this are "brainwashed":

Zionist settlers loot and steal Palestinian home in Jerusalem. They return an empty milk bottle to the owner.

Do you even understand how grotesque and depraved you are by trying to convince anyone this is some rare occurrence when it's what israel always was? Demons no one wanted and Palestine ended up with these monsters rather than have Europe be forced to give their own land.

-Unhinged

Why didn’t they stop those guys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine thinking that you sitting there for years watching Wolf "AIPAC/Jerusalem Post" Blitzer or reading trash like Tom Friedman, are the "informed" ones, but the kids seeing things like this are "brainwashed":

Zionist settlers loot and steal Palestinian home in Jerusalem. They return an empty milk bottle to the owner.

Do you even understand how grotesque and depraved you are by trying to convince anyone this is some rare occurrence when it's what israel always was? Demons no one wanted and Palestine ended up with these monsters rather than have Europe be forced to give their own land.

-Unhinged

Why didn’t they stop those guys?

Is this a serious question or are you just being stupid?

Gaza

West Bank

Lebanon

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Anonymous wrote:No because these are the 6 types of politicians in the United States:

1. Bought by Israel
2. Blackmailed by Israel
3. Dual citizen of Israel
4. Scared of Israel
5. Killed by Israel
6. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna

Rahm Emanuel and the Third Way is planning to spend 30-50 million dollars attacking progressive. AIPAC is backing them.

Rahm Emmanuel is the son of a legit terrorist. His dad was involved in the King David bombing.

Absolute filth.

Rahm Emanuel’s Father Problem
https://swampland.time.com/2008/11/13/rahm-emanuels-father-problem/

Benjamin Emanuel, a Chicago pediatrician who worked in the 1940s with Irgun, the militant Zionist group that committed acts against Palestinian and British targets that have been widely categorized as terrorism. (In 1938, according to the scholar Avi Shlaim, members of the group attempted to ambush an Arab bus, an attack that failed when a grenade did not detonate. In 1946, members of the group bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, killing 91 people.)

Benjamin Emanuel in his own racist words:
"In an interview with Ma’ariv, Emanuel’s father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son’s appointment would be good for Israel. “Obviously [Rahm] will influence the president to be pro-Israel,” he was quoted as saying. “Why wouldn’t he be? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.” "

[Anonymous]

Norman Finkelstein: Israeli society has “rot at the core”

'That's Israel, a child, magnifying glass in hand, burning ants' | Norman Finkelstein| UNAPOLOGETIC

Norman Finkelstein on Gaza’s aid massacres and ‘sadism’ in Israel | The Big Picture

[Anonymous]

The best thing America could do for America is to cut the umbilical cord from Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The best thing America could do for America is to cut the umbilical cord from Israel.

J D Vance just went on a tirade about some supposed incident of a Ukrainian.American wagging his finger in his face and said "from now on its America first" - okay so now live it. No Israel, no Russia. Don't peddle bullshit with a special Trump carveout to deny Ukraine aid.

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Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon.

How old are you? If you're over 30, you can tell yourself that. But younger people see Israel for the terrorist state it is.

DP. "Younger people" - presumably, like you - are just showing your profound ignorance. You really, really want to forget the Holocaust ever existed. I imagine you like to tell yourself it actually didn't happen, amirite?

No- you are wrong, younger people and history buffs realize that the scope of the holocaust is much larger than 6 million, it ws 12-14 million who died in the camps. the only people who want people to forget are the Israelis, they certainly dont want anyone to remember that there were other victims of teh Nazi brutality or that there were colored victims of teh allies who were just caught up in freedom fighting from brutal colonization and couldn't care less about any European power- they were ALL BAD. Its teh Isrealis who dont want anyone to learn anything from the war-- they want everyone to forget about the Geneva convention. to forget about the horror people faced upto and tried to prevent from happening again by their rejection of all the norms of warfare that were established as a reaction to the horrors of the world wars as well as the systematic undermining of institutions that were created to limit conflict like Nato and the UN b/c they constrain plans for Greater Isreal. so no, its the Isrealis who want people to forget the horrors or to accept that humanity is incapable of learning of learning from history. of the few survivors left- many are incredibly vocal against this current regime & speak out against what is happening, how many support it??? I can think of one in support and 5 against off the top of my head.

So in your racist worldview, Jews are centering themselves in the holocaust. You want Israel dismantled, you want Jordan dismantled, you want Lebanon dismantled, you want Syria dismantled, presumably you also want Egypt dismantled? India dismantled as they are all countries formed post-WWII with state religions. I am not sure what GenZ-oodles for brains thinks will fill the power vacuum or how installing American-style secular governments would work (that would seem to be colonialism itself- which I thought you were against?) - those older than you remember Yugoslavia (you don't read, otherwise we would tell you to look it up). There has always been racism against Jews on the far left and on the far right - what your generation is doing is not new. Much to criticize in Netayahu's government - but if he is a genocidal maniac - so is Obama. So is the MPD, for that matter. And so is every other European, Middle Eastern, or African leader from time immemorial. Even with highest estimates available, roughly 50,000 civilians were killed in Gaza. That is a much lower civilian casulaty rate of any 21th century war involving urban warfare. 70k protestors were murdered in Iran - and you and your friends held parties to celebrate. 2.5 Sudanese civilians were murdered - but you and your friends couldn't care less. Because that's the thorny truth of this all. If Palestinians are indigenous, so are Jews. If Jews are white settler-colonialists, so are Palestinians. And I say this to right-wing Israelis as well. Palestinians deserve self-determination. Jews deserve self-determination. Kurds deserve self-determination. Alwaites deserve self-determination. That is true "liberation" for everyone in the region. And the hyper-focus on Israel is because of racism against Jews, and colorism that favors white victims like Palestinians (or Ukrainians for that matter). So, abandon Israel - and embrace Iran. It's not going to help you get a job or afford housing or settle any of your copious domestic grievances. History tells us that when racism against Jews reaches a fever point - other bad things tend to happen. Ignore it at your peril - and your hate will just create more Zionists. Which seems to be the opposite of what you want.

India, Egypt, Iraq/Syria, Persia and China are the oldest civilizations on the planet. Pretending that some of those were created post WW2 is such utter bullcrap and blatant spin that it makes everything you say suspect.

Again, an old-school encyclopedia would be your friend, Z-bot. Judea is one of the oldest civilization. Iraq and Syria are not civilizations. Persia is indeed an old civilization - that was settler-colonialized by Islamicists. Ditto Kurdistan. Ditto Chaldeans. But as nation states, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, India are rougly the same age as Israel.

Egypt is far older than Israel. Jacob’s sons all moved to Egypt when there was no country of Israel. They and their multiple generations of descendants were slaves in Egypt before Moses’ deliverance. And then Jews walked around in the desert for another forty years before finding a landing pad. Moses who predated the first king of Israel, Saul, lived approximately 1500BC. Whereas Saul was approximately 1050BC. So no, Egypt and Israel are not the same in age. Iraq is former Babylon.

this is a joke, right? We are basing real world decisions and behavior on an ancient book of myths? I'm so tired of people acting like we should all just accept this as fact...that the "bible" is a history book with enough validity to base our lives on. And by the way...where has that gotten the damn world?

DP.
FWIW, I believe there is a lot of true history in the bible, but also believe that it doesn’t effing matter who had what land thousands of years ago and we should not be fighting wars or killing innocent people with this idea that the land “belongs” to the Jews.
And as a Christian I believe in the New Covenant; in redemption through Jesus Christ, which replaces the Old Covenant. So there are no “chosen people”. All people everywhere are God’s chosen people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The best thing America could do for America is to cut the umbilical cord from Israel.

Preach!!

[Anonymous]

Israelis are vile racists who don’t value any non-Jewish life, including the lives of children. We see them for what they are, it disgusts us, and it’s only a matter of time before a new generation makes sure Israel no longer gets American support.