Are we abandoning Israel?

[Anonymous]

Sadly, these April Fool’s Day pipe dreams fool most of us most of the time.

The call is from inside the house. The disease of Zionism is going to take time to excise.

[Anonymous]

I mean if they want Trump to stay I think they have to do what everyone else does like give him a gold statue, random award, or $100 million purchase of his crypto.

[Anonymous]

I have no problem providing defensive resources for israel. But subsidizing the attack weapons is crazy.

[Anonymous]

God I hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we just leave the Iran war? Israel wouldnt be able to stand on its own against Iran. Same with the GCC. Israel is invading southern Lebanon any agreement will have to include Lebanon as well.

Is this a surrender?

This is what the US does. We do not do empire. The US does not do occupation. We leave and trade. Israel should have know this. Also Israel is toxic on the Dems side and we all know what’s after Trump on the Republican side- Tucker, Megan Kelly, JD Vance?

Yes Israel will be abandoned. Israel should not have attack Iran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

We need to abandon Bibi. No more blank checks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh it’s bigger vs that. We will leave the region because we can not afford the cost of the bases. How many thousands of interceptors missiles and radars are needed to secure US bases in the gulf?

There are 12-13 bases. Minimum needs about 1,000 $12.5 million dollar interceptor missiles per base. So starting price is 12.5 billion. Now add in hardening everything, building bomb proof aircraft hangers, replacing billion dollar radars, etc. Next up is anti drone protection. You will have to double the defense budget just to maintain your bases.

Add in we can’t build the interceptor that fast?

Sounds like we need to reduce our oil dependence.

We get 2% of our energy comes from the region. The oil will flow with or without us. Seriously it is in the financial interest of every country in the area. Gulf states will just have to make nice with Iran. It’s not like the oil was not flowing before Israel and the US attacked Iran. All that big talk by Trump’s son in law about gulf states normalizing relations with Israel is done.

Let’s get out of the region and be thankful. Too much blood and treasure wasted. Israel will finally have to recognize a Palestinian state.

[Anonymous]

We should, and it could not happen any sooner. Why we keep sending our hard earned tax dollars when citizens in the US are SUFFERING is a complete mystery to me. I am a single-issue voter when it comes to funding Israel---any politician supporting funding this terrorist nation will not receive my vote, and I will strongly support primarying them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh it’s bigger vs that. We will leave the region because we can not afford the cost of the bases. How many thousands of interceptors missiles and radars are needed to secure US bases in the gulf?

There are 12-13 bases. Minimum needs about 1,000 $12.5 million dollar interceptor missiles per base. So starting price is 12.5 billion. Now add in hardening everything, building bomb proof aircraft hangers, replacing billion dollar radars, etc. Next up is anti drone protection. You will have to double the defense budget just to maintain your bases.

Add in we can’t build the interceptor that fast?

Sounds like we need to reduce our oil dependence.

We get 2% of our energy comes from the region. The oil will flow with or without us. Seriously it is in the financial interest of every country in the area. Gulf states will just have to make nice with Iran. It’s not like the oil was not flowing before Israel and the US attacked Iran. All that big talk by Trump’s son in law about gulf states normalizing relations with Israel is done.

Let’s get out of the region and be thankful. Too much blood and treasure wasted. Israel will finally have to recognize a Palestinian state.

When our energy prices sky rocket due to our entrance into ME conflicts, it's a sign that we are still in some form or fashion dependent upon oil flowing out of that region regardless of whether or not our current local supply depends on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

We need to abandon Bibi. No more blank checks.

Bibi is the left of center is Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

We need to abandon Bibi. No more blank checks.

I hear you. But that's not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh it’s bigger vs that. We will leave the region because we can not afford the cost of the bases. How many thousands of interceptors missiles and radars are needed to secure US bases in the gulf?

There are 12-13 bases. Minimum needs about 1,000 $12.5 million dollar interceptor missiles per base. So starting price is 12.5 billion. Now add in hardening everything, building bomb proof aircraft hangers, replacing billion dollar radars, etc. Next up is anti drone protection. You will have to double the defense budget just to maintain your bases.

Add in we can’t build the interceptor that fast?

Sounds like we need to reduce our oil dependence.

We get 2% of our energy comes from the region. The oil will flow with or without us. Seriously it is in the financial interest of every country in the area. Gulf states will just have to make nice with Iran. It’s not like the oil was not flowing before Israel and the US attacked Iran. All that big talk by Trump’s son in law about gulf states normalizing relations with Israel is done.

Let’s get out of the region and be thankful. Too much blood and treasure wasted. Israel will finally have to recognize a Palestinian state.

When our energy prices sky rocket due to our entrance into ME conflicts, it's a sign that we are still in some form or fashion dependent upon oil flowing out of that region regardless of whether or not our current local supply depends on it.

It “skyrocketed” because the US and Israel went to war with Iran. Oil was $55 an oil in January with a world surplus of 2 million barrels a day. No Israel or US and the prices slowly return to that level or lower. This oil shock will force Asia, Europe, South America and Australia to invest in renewable energy and EVs. China has a ton of access capacity in wind, solar, batteries and EVs. This will reduce demand for oil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should, and it could not happen any sooner. Why we keep sending our hard earned tax dollars when citizens in the US are SUFFERING is a complete mystery to me. I am a single-issue voter when it comes to funding Israel---any politician supporting funding this terrorist nation will not receive my vote, and I will strongly support primarying them.

It's still a mystery to you? Why wouldn't our corrupt politicians exchange hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars for hundreds of millions of campaign finance dollars? Do you have any clue how corrupt our political system has become? This Israel relationship is just one example of our politicians selling out average Americans to please the interests of their wealthy donors. There are many others that aren't as glowingly obvious to the regular people.

Before casting another vote for a national politician, go to https://www.opensecrets.org/ and search to find out if the politicians on the ballot have accepted any funds funneled through political action committees or other lobbying groups. I will never vote for another politician who has received more 1k from a single person, source, or entity. If you really care and want to make a difference, join me.