Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

Anonymous
The problem is that there are not enough kids to fill up an additional high school, otherwise there won't be Options E-H.
Rezoning Churchill to Wootton and Wootton to Crown won't solve the under enrollment problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.




I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”




I didn’t hear this either. The most I heard was one person at another table talking to the person next to him about property values but he was old and probably rightly worried about a lifetime of investment. Most everything I heard was people angry that it has come to this point with the condition of the school, angry that H was just sprung on us last minute and generally angry at the lack of transparency and clear bias the materials had. And they sent an email today saying the notes they received were almost entirely against H-They noted 4 that were for it.


I hope MCPS listens to Wootton parents and rezones some parts of Churchill to Wootton, and some parts of Wootton to Crown along with parts of Gaithersburg and QO.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.




I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”




What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There were no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.




I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”




I said this was posted on nextdoor, not at the townhall.


Then how do you know the Nextdoor person was not trying to make Wootton look bad then? Just like what you are doing. People clearly discriminate Wootton due to high proportion of Asians.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm in the 20878 area and the amount of people posting on nextdoor about save Wootton, you would think the sky is falling.

The Moderately Moco guy is also there trying to push out option H. I guess he lives in that area.

No one gives a damn about Dufief.

And today's post showed a picture with a room full of Asians and whites at Wootton's townhall. You know who is against option H.

One woman said it right - to quote her: "We know what this is truly about. If you do not want your kids to mingle with the "lower class" residents of upper Montgomery County just say so. If it is that bad. There are many private schools in your area or even better homeschooling. Just saying.."

What a bunch of noisemakers - first they want a new building and sign a petition and then when MCPS addresses it they start another petition.




I was there in person and didn’t hear any racist comment like this. The discussion was focused on Wootton renovation. It’s far too easy for someone with a conflict of interest or a personal grudge to fabricate a racist remark and make Wootton look bad.”




What lower class upper Mo Co residents? the ones that bought $1 million houses in Criwn? There were no comments like that, that person was lying. Also how’s Crown upper MoCo?


There are a lot of Asian haters
Anonymous
Wootton parents can’t seem to win. If we support Option H, we’re framed as privileged parents pushing out Gaithersburg. If we question Option H, our facility concerns are mischaracterized as racial motives rather than what they are: concerns about safety and infrastructure. That framing needs to stop.

We are parents advocating for our children’s safety and health. We do not want students learning in a building with failing HVAC systems, chronic plumbing and restroom failures, and aging electrical infrastructure that no longer meets modern safety standards. Wootton has been placed on the Capital Improvements Program twice, only to be removed both times, leaving families with years of documented need but no path forward.

There are pros and cons to every option—whether that means a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway or a permanent move to Crown. Disagreeing on solutions does not make anyone ill-intentioned; it reflects a community grappling with difficult tradeoffs under DECADES of delayed investment and county-wide neglect.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wootton parents can’t seem to win. If we support Option H, we’re framed as privileged parents pushing out Gaithersburg. If we question Option H, our facility concerns are mischaracterized as racial motives rather than what they are: concerns about safety and infrastructure. That framing needs to stop.

We are parents advocating for our children’s safety and health. We do not want students learning in a building with failing HVAC systems, chronic plumbing and restroom failures, and aging electrical infrastructure that no longer meets modern safety standards. Wootton has been placed on the Capital Improvements Program twice, only to be removed both times, leaving families with years of documented need but no path forward.

There are pros and cons to every option—whether that means a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway or a permanent move to Crown. Disagreeing on solutions does not make anyone ill-intentioned; it reflects a community grappling with difficult tradeoffs under DECADES of delayed investment and county-wide neglect.



Nothing here provided any information on why option H doesn’t work
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wootton parents can’t seem to win. If we support Option H, we’re framed as privileged parents pushing out Gaithersburg. If we question Option H, our facility concerns are mischaracterized as racial motives rather than what they are: concerns about safety and infrastructure. That framing needs to stop.

We are parents advocating for our children’s safety and health. We do not want students learning in a building with failing HVAC systems, chronic plumbing and restroom failures, and aging electrical infrastructure that no longer meets modern safety standards. Wootton has been placed on the Capital Improvements Program twice, only to be removed both times, leaving families with years of documented need but no path forward.

There are pros and cons to every option—whether that means a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway or a permanent move to Crown. Disagreeing on solutions does not make anyone ill-intentioned; it reflects a community grappling with difficult tradeoffs under DECADES of delayed investment and county-wide neglect.


Which of the options offers a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wootton parents can’t seem to win. If we support Option H, we’re framed as privileged parents pushing out Gaithersburg. If we question Option H, our facility concerns are mischaracterized as racial motives rather than what they are: concerns about safety and infrastructure. That framing needs to stop.

We are parents advocating for our children’s safety and health. We do not want students learning in a building with failing HVAC systems, chronic plumbing and restroom failures, and aging electrical infrastructure that no longer meets modern safety standards. Wootton has been placed on the Capital Improvements Program twice, only to be removed both times, leaving families with years of documented need but no path forward.

There are pros and cons to every option—whether that means a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway or a permanent move to Crown. Disagreeing on solutions does not make anyone ill-intentioned; it reflects a community grappling with difficult tradeoffs under DECADES of delayed investment and county-wide neglect.



Nothing here provided any information on why option H doesn’t work


The reasons Option H doesn't work have been discussed ad nauseum on this board. Don't be intentionally obtuse.
Anonymous
How is having an empty school helpful? They say they will use it as a holding school but if it’s not safe how are they going to do that? So it’s not safe for the current students but safe to be used for others???!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wootton parents can’t seem to win. If we support Option H, we’re framed as privileged parents pushing out Gaithersburg. If we question Option H, our facility concerns are mischaracterized as racial motives rather than what they are: concerns about safety and infrastructure. That framing needs to stop.

We are parents advocating for our children’s safety and health. We do not want students learning in a building with failing HVAC systems, chronic plumbing and restroom failures, and aging electrical infrastructure that no longer meets modern safety standards. Wootton has been placed on the Capital Improvements Program twice, only to be removed both times, leaving families with years of documented need but no path forward.

There are pros and cons to every option—whether that means a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway or a permanent move to Crown. Disagreeing on solutions does not make anyone ill-intentioned; it reflects a community grappling with difficult tradeoffs under DECADES of delayed investment and county-wide neglect.


Which of the options offers a safe, secure Wootton High School on Wootton Parkway?


Providing a particular location is not an imperative, Providing relatively manageable (when compared with those of other schools) travel times given various modes of transportation is an imperative. Providing a safe structure for learning is, as well.
Anonymous
Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How is having an empty school helpful? They say they will use it as a holding school but if it’s not safe how are they going to do that? So it’s not safe for the current students but safe to be used for others???!


They can use a year with no students in the building to address the more pressing/health-related issues at a hugely lower cost than afforded with other options. I'd guess that either means having Damascus students remain on-site, at least for a year, while their new facility is being built or delaying the Damascus & Magruder projects by a year to allow for the old Wootton facility reconditioning.

The latter may be the option chosen if the County Council underfunds the CIP request, as it pushes overall cost to later years...though we know this often is folly, not only failing due to the delay in providing educational services at an adequate level, but also often costing more in that long run due to the combination of higher maintenance expenses and inflation in construction costs outpacing budget increases.

Maybe they think they can do what is needed with the current Wootton in an intensive summer effort, placing anyone at Churchill or QO for summer programs and preserving the current Damascus/Magruder timeline? That approach still may show overall savings, despite the presumed higher cost of crashing a Wootton reconditioning project schedule.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Option H may work and could be a strong long-term solution, but it also comes with significant uncertainties. It risks leaving an empty building behind, as we have seen elsewhere, and it would remove a neighborhood high school from the heart of Rockville. Many families are also confused by the idea that funding exists to use Wootton as a holding school, yet not to fully modernize it. That said, Option H does have real advantages and should be considered carefully as part of an honest, transparent discussion. This discussion casts families as either “stealing” Crown or acting as though they are “too good” for Crown. BOTH characterizations are harmful and untrue. What needs to stop is the name-calling and the assumption of bad motives when parents are advocating for their children. Years of fiscal and planning decisions by MCPS and the Board of Education put us in this position. Parents are trying to navigate the consequences, not undermine solutions. Assumptions and name-calling don’t move us forward.


What people are irritated about is that Wooten is not unique in needing repairs or a new school. They are not the only school who has been on the CIP, removed and is still waiting. You’re being presented the chance to get a new building but complaining about where it is located. Read the room. Be adults. No one is getting everything they want. So either you want a new building or you don’t. And if you choose no, understand that no one wants to hear ya’ll complaining about how unsafe Wooten is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Churchill is 7 miles from Crown, it’s not in the vicinity.
Whitman, Walter Johnson, Wootton, Woodward, BCC, Richard Montgomery are all much closer to Churchill than Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:To your question option H gives them a chance so they should be making their voices heard. Options A-D are worse for Dufief.


Options E-G also keep Dufief with Wootton. IMO G is a non starter but I’m 100% on board with E and F right now. H won’t happen and A-D split the cluster.


And that is how it should be - MCPS splitting up clusters to fill Crown. You cannot have all black and Hispanic population alone go to Crown. It needs to be diverse. Every highschool cluster in Crown's vicinity should be broken up

What makes Wootton and Churchill so special? Don't answer that.


Okay I will rephrase that - What makes Wootton so special?

I checked google maps and Wootton is 3.8 miles from Crown and 3.4 miles from Churchill. 0.4 miles is Negligible. Wootton is also the closest to Crown.

Crown:
Wootton - 3.8 miles
Gaithersburg HS - 4.5 miles
QO - 4.4 miles

These three schools should be the ones filling up Crown. Wootton is not that special. Churchill is overcrowded and MCPS cannot send kids from Wootton to Churchill when they can easily send them to Crown which was built to address overcrowding. MCPS is 100% right with offering modified Option H to Wootton to kill 2 birds with one stone - the safety issues due to mold at Wootton as well as over crowding in Gaithersburg and QO.

Wootton parents put up a stink only because they don't want to mix with brown and hispanic and low ses.

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Coming to Woodward:
Walter Johnson - 1.6 miles
Churchill - 3.2 miles
Wheaton - 3.9 miles
Richard Montgomery - 4.0 miles
Rockville High school - 4.2 miles
Kennedy 5.6 miles

Obviously the rezoning here should happen between Walter Johnson, Churchill, Wheaton, Richard Montgomery and maybe Rockville
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Churchill:
Woodward - 3.2 miles
Walter Johnson - 3.3 miles
*Wootton - 3.4 miles
Richard Montgomery - 3.8 miles

Among these only Wootton is close to Crown, so Wootton cannot be part of the Woodward study and belongs in the Crown study and the other three should be part of Woodward study.

I'm not familiar with the Woodward study but I hope this is what MCPS is doing.


The fact that they set things up so that they have no options for moving neighborhoods between Churchill and Whitman is all anyone needs to know to see that their scoping of the boundary studies was woefully insufficient. And have you heard about the ridiculous unaddressed overcrowding situation at Blake?

It isn't that some schools belong in one study or another more, it's that all schools should have been involved in a single study from the beginning. Elementaries too, as they are setting themselves up for more failure by first constraining the secondary boundaries to inefficient fixed elementary boundaries (or limiting split articulations, there) and then coming back in a year to do elementary boundaries that will be artificially constrained by the then-fixed but inefficient (due to the prior elementary constraint) secondary boundaries they will have chosen.

The system needs to be doing this overall adjustment about once a decade. That would tend to have more incremental effect. It's been far, far too long, and the large disruptions seen for some communities in the current effort are a result.
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Anonymous wrote:This racist behavior reminds me of the Town Hall meetings for Clarksburg/Seneca Valley HS.


And this is exactly why boundaries should be reviewed every 5-10 years.


Are there really places that consistently change school boundaries every 5-10 years? I’m honestly asking. Where I grew up (not in moco) the schools I went to when I was in school are still the schools I would go to today.


Howard County went through a couple within a short time span and sounds like they will continue to reevaluate boundaries every couple of years.

The last major was started around 2019:
https://www.hcpss.org/school-planning/boundary-review/

and had a goal of balancing out FARMS rate to around the 20-30 percent mark across multiple schools.

Then they just did another recently:
https://www.hcpss.org/school-planning/boundary-review-for-26-27/

Which was supposed to help with relieving overcrowding and looks like they were potentially going to mix up the areas with Centennial High, which is kind of like a W school. I'm not really familiar with the areas there but it looks like in the end they didn't change any areas that were originally assigned to Centennial High:
https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/hcpssmd/Board.nsf/files/DNSJG94D1519/$file/12%2004%202025%20Redistricting%20Approval.pdf

So there are other school districts that do regular boundary studies and changes. And I'd be kind of careful of assuming anything is set for the long term, unless maybe you're in the heart of one of the "untouchable" areas, like the ones that have had no changes proposed in any of the rounds of proposals.
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