Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Tulane has no application fee, so they aren’t harvesting fees. If applicants really wanted Tulane, they would realize within about 5 minutes of research on their website, that you need to apply Early Action (non-binding) or ED (binding). They tell you point blank that RD is almost impossible. You are ignoring the non-binding EA option. They do let in a lot kids EA. My kid was one!

EA stats don’t come remotely close to ED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Spare us your faux concern for those less fortunate. They can apply ED because they will get need based aid.

And you can apply ED and accept the NPC, just like them.

I’m pro ED.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

Perhaps your kid is not ready for college, especially a T25-30 university if they cannot understand what it means to have a "top choice" and be willing to commit to it. Especially with you as a parent helping them. I mean really, if you can't understand that and that choosing to ED to a not top 1 choice means you are "giving up on your dream schools" then perhaps you need to grow up before attending college.

If you choose to use ED as a tool to anywhere except your Tippy top choice, then you must live with the choice. Not that difficult for a 17 yo to understand, especially one with a resume for a T25 school (supposedly)

My kid didn't do ED and instead did great in RD and had many top schools to choose from. We supported that choice despite pressure from school counseling staff on EDI and then EDII. However DC has several friends who regret their ED and now have to live with that regret for 4, or perhaps 2, years.

This well said

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Abolish ED, limit everyone to 10 applications, limit SAT/ACT sittings to 2, get rid of the “commitment” system for Division III athletics, and maybe that can go some ways in making the process the way it was circa 1990- not perfect but much more transparent (even without internet!) and less stressful.

Nope!! ED is a good thing, and helps ensure schools fill their freshman class exactly (not over, not under---both are bad for the school for the next 4 years)
If you don't like ED, don't do it. Just like you don't buy a BMW if you can only afford a KIA. It's a choice

It’s amazing how much all of you get off on thinking the people objecting aren’t as wealthy as you. You are showing your true and nasty colors.

Maybe you should actually read and grasp the posts?

The NPC tells you how much aid you can expect. That number does not change, regardless of whether a kid applies ED or RD. My DC applied ED and received financial aid, the same amount he would have received had he applied RD. The school was his first choice, so he applied. Why is that difficult to understand, or unfair? We ruled out ED schools that indicated we would receive no aid. You are free to do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Do you really think the vast majority of DCUM posters care one iota about any other kid? I think it’s great when posters reveal themselves so clearly.

I plead guilty to being naive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

Perhaps your kid is not ready for college, especially a T25-30 university if they cannot understand what it means to have a "top choice" and be willing to commit to it. Especially with you as a parent helping them. I mean really, if you can't understand that and that choosing to ED to a not top 1 choice means you are "giving up on your dream schools" then perhaps you need to grow up before attending college.

If you choose to use ED as a tool to anywhere except your Tippy top choice, then you must live with the choice. Not that difficult for a 17 yo to understand, especially one with a resume for a T25 school (supposedly)

My kid didn't do ED and instead did great in RD and had many top schools to choose from. We supported that choice despite pressure from school counseling staff on EDI and then EDII. However DC has several friends who regret their ED and now have to live with that regret for 4, or perhaps 2, years.

This well said

Those kids have regrets because they used ED as game theory, with a conservative approach, rather than to simply apply to their first-choice school.
My kid applied ED, which gave them an edge over the 14 other kids also applying to the same school that year who might have "settled" for it if they didn't get into an Ivy. It was my kid's true first choice, and they are having a very happy freshman year. Nothing remotely unfair about that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

UChicago is not unique in wanting to increase the denominator of their acceptance rate. Every school that offers application fee waiver for no reason (e.g., Johns Hopkins), or requires no supplemental essays (e.g., Northeastern, Case Western), is making a subtle, conscious effort to increase the size of its applicant pool. I don't view these schools as being unethical -- they did not really cheat, per se, to get/stay ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

The same reason my kid got multiple postcards, letters, and posters from NYU, UNC (of all places, since they barely admit anyone from OOS), Harvard, Yale, and Columbia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

The same reason my kid got multiple postcards, letters, and posters from NYU, UNC (of all places, since they barely admit anyone from OOS), Harvard, Yale, and Columbia?

Yes, most colleges are running the same scam that days. But it is still a scam to increase revenue and decrease their admit rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

UChicago is not unique in wanting to increase the denominator of their acceptance rate. Every school that offers application fee waiver for no reason (e.g., Johns Hopkins), or requires no supplemental essays (e.g., Northeastern, Case Western), is making a subtle, conscious effort to increase the size of its applicant pool. I don't view these schools as being unethical -- they did not really cheat, per se, to get/stay ahead.

Of course it’s a scam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the DCUM world, there are huge numbers of public school kids who are unaware that it is nearly impossible to get into ED schools like Tulane, NYU and UChicago, among others, unless they apply ED. Schools are harvesting application RD application fees from them and using these applicants to enhance their reputation for selectivity. Perhaps, many would apply anyway, but some wouldn’t and the fact that even the slight hope of admission they have is illusory rankles.

Unless your SAT is 1550+ ( ACT 35.5+) dreaming of Uchicago is futile for most

Yet UChicago encourages kids to pay for applications with a blizzard of postcards, with most having no idea that they have no chance of admission unless they apply ED. Really obnoxious.

If you are college material (and especially if at least one parent attended college), you should know how to research and gather information. It's all in the CDS for each school. Not that challenging

Again, why is UChicago aggressively marketing to kids it knows it won’t admit? To enhance its selectivity. What is ethical about that?

A smart kid can easily see on Naviance whether or not they are a contender, and proceed accordingly. It's not that hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abolish ED, limit everyone to 10 applications, limit SAT/ACT sittings to 2, get rid of the “commitment” system for Division III athletics, and maybe that can go some ways in making the process the way it was circa 1990- not perfect but much more transparent (even without internet!) and less stressful.

Nope!! ED is a good thing, and helps ensure schools fill their freshman class exactly (not over, not under---both are bad for the school for the next 4 years)
If you don't like ED, don't do it. Just like you don't buy a BMW if you can only afford a KIA. It's a choice

It’s amazing how much all of you get off on thinking the people objecting aren’t as wealthy as you. You are showing your true and nasty colors.

Maybe you should actually read and grasp the posts?

The NPC tells you how much aid you can expect. That number does not change, regardless of whether a kid applies ED or RD. My DC applied ED and received financial aid, the same amount he would have received had he applied RD. The school was his first choice, so he applied. Why is that difficult to understand, or unfair? We ruled out ED schools that indicated we would receive no aid. You are free to do the same.

+1 I'm not sure why there is such a poor understanding of how financial aid works. You qualify for the same need-based aid regardless of when you apply. The NPC gives you the number. ED or not, the number does not change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abolish ED, limit everyone to 10 applications, limit SAT/ACT sittings to 2, get rid of the “commitment” system for Division III athletics, and maybe that can go some ways in making the process the way it was circa 1990- not perfect but much more transparent (even without internet!) and less stressful.

Nope!! ED is a good thing, and helps ensure schools fill their freshman class exactly (not over, not under---both are bad for the school for the next 4 years)
If you don't like ED, don't do it. Just like you don't buy a BMW if you can only afford a KIA. It's a choice

It’s amazing how much all of you get off on thinking the people objecting aren’t as wealthy as you. You are showing your true and nasty colors.

Maybe you should actually read and grasp the posts?

The NPC tells you how much aid you can expect. That number does not change, regardless of whether a kid applies ED or RD. My DC applied ED and received financial aid, the same amount he would have received had he applied RD. The school was his first choice, so he applied. Why is that difficult to understand, or unfair? We ruled out ED schools that indicated we would receive no aid. You are free to do the same.

+1 I'm not sure why there is such a poor understanding of how financial aid works. You qualify for the same need-based aid regardless of when you apply. The NPC gives you the number. ED or not, the number does not change.

I am doubtful that your financial skills are as sharp as you think since your reading skills are so poor. Who do you think you are arguing with and what are they saying? The only people talking about financials affecting decision in this rolled up responses are the people patting themselves on the back.