USN&WR high school ranking are out!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

The arrogance of BASIS posters to call all the other schools in the city "steaming piles of shit" is why people hate to see them coming. Maybe try appreciating what other schools add to the DC ecosystem. There are good and even excellent schools on both sides of the park. Basis is not the only or even, necessarily, the best middle school or high school. Finding the best fit for each kid is the goal. Why not acknowledge that BASIS is a good fit for some, and not for others. For this reason it's a GOOD thing that many different schools are available to educate our students.

Again, arrogant BASIS posters provoke a negative reaction from parents at other schools. This should not be a surprise to anyone.

THIS. So tiring all the Basis booster threads in the past few months. Just stop.

is the waitlist moving a lot and why the families need to do this?

No, it's because defensive BASIS boosters know their school is mid so they never miss an opportunity to push their talking points.

Don’t want to be mean but Latin is mid. Its biggest positive is that white kids go there.

Have you been to Latin? It's like someone said "what if there was a middle and high school in Washington DC that looked like a small private college in New England?" Yeah, real mid.

Why New England?

And why do only 25.7% of students at Latin Upper meet or exceed expectations in math?

The math CAPE at the high school level is demonstrably not a great test and different schools require that different students take it. Compare SATs or APs if you really want to figure out which high schools have the best students. CAPE is fine as the main rubric in MS and elementary because it's all we're given. That's not the case in high school, but especially with the high school math CAPE which only measures 9th and 10th.

Ok. So why did only 25.7% of the Latin 9th and 10th graders who took the CAPE meet or exceed expectations?

Because those are the kids who are worst at math. The kids who are good at math took Algebra I and Geometry in middle school.

Ya, and also it's a school that's particularly focused on math. Im a parent in that ecosystem and the families with very STEMy kids tried for BASIS, and everyone else tried for Latin.

Even so, the only middle schools in the city with higher math CAPE scores than Latin are BASIS and Deal.

That is not correct at all. See the CAPE thread. Latin does decently at middle school math, but so do a dozen other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

The arrogance of BASIS posters to call all the other schools in the city "steaming piles of shit" is why people hate to see them coming. Maybe try appreciating what other schools add to the DC ecosystem. There are good and even excellent schools on both sides of the park. Basis is not the only or even, necessarily, the best middle school or high school. Finding the best fit for each kid is the goal. Why not acknowledge that BASIS is a good fit for some, and not for others. For this reason it's a GOOD thing that many different schools are available to educate our students.

Again, arrogant BASIS posters provoke a negative reaction from parents at other schools. This should not be a surprise to anyone.

THIS. So tiring all the Basis booster threads in the past few months. Just stop.

is the waitlist moving a lot and why the families need to do this?

No, it's because defensive BASIS boosters know their school is mid so they never miss an opportunity to push their talking points.

Don’t want to be mean but Latin is mid. Its biggest positive is that white kids go there.

Have you been to Latin? It's like someone said "what if there was a middle and high school in Washington DC that looked like a small private college in New England?" Yeah, real mid.

Why New England?

And why do only 25.7% of students at Latin Upper meet or exceed expectations in math?

The math CAPE at the high school level is demonstrably not a great test and different schools require that different students take it. Compare SATs or APs if you really want to figure out which high schools have the best students. CAPE is fine as the main rubric in MS and elementary because it's all we're given. That's not the case in high school, but especially with the high school math CAPE which only measures 9th and 10th.

Ok. So why did only 25.7% of the Latin 9th and 10th graders who took the CAPE meet or exceed expectations?

Because those are the kids who are worst at math. The kids who are good at math took Algebra I and Geometry in middle school.

Ya, and also it's a school that's particularly focused on math. Im a parent in that ecosystem and the families with very STEMy kids tried for BASIS, and everyone else tried for Latin.

Even so, the only middle schools in the city with higher math CAPE scores than Latin are BASIS and Deal.

That is not correct at all. See the CAPE thread. Latin does decently at middle school math, but so do a dozen other schools.

You can see for yourself. These guys compile the numbers.

https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-cape-dashboard

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So, the issue with the above reader is that it rolls a lot of middle schools in with elementary schools or high schools making it impossible to tell which MS (without attached ES or HS) has done the best.

If we can look at exact grades (6th, 7th or 8th) you could do an apples to apples comparison. But that's not available in the chart you linked to.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

The arrogance of BASIS posters to call all the other schools in the city "steaming piles of shit" is why people hate to see them coming. Maybe try appreciating what other schools add to the DC ecosystem. There are good and even excellent schools on both sides of the park. Basis is not the only or even, necessarily, the best middle school or high school. Finding the best fit for each kid is the goal. Why not acknowledge that BASIS is a good fit for some, and not for others. For this reason it's a GOOD thing that many different schools are available to educate our students.

Again, arrogant BASIS posters provoke a negative reaction from parents at other schools. This should not be a surprise to anyone.

THIS. So tiring all the Basis booster threads in the past few months. Just stop.

is the waitlist moving a lot and why the families need to do this?

No, it's because defensive BASIS boosters know their school is mid so they never miss an opportunity to push their talking points.

Don’t want to be mean but Latin is mid. Its biggest positive is that white kids go there.

Have you been to Latin? It's like someone said "what if there was a middle and high school in Washington DC that looked like a small private college in New England?" Yeah, real mid.

Why New England?

And why do only 25.7% of students at Latin Upper meet or exceed expectations in math?

The math CAPE at the high school level is demonstrably not a great test and different schools require that different students take it. Compare SATs or APs if you really want to figure out which high schools have the best students. CAPE is fine as the main rubric in MS and elementary because it's all we're given. That's not the case in high school, but especially with the high school math CAPE which only measures 9th and 10th.

Ok. So why did only 25.7% of the Latin 9th and 10th graders who took the CAPE meet or exceed expectations?

Because those are the kids who are worst at math. The kids who are good at math took Algebra I and Geometry in middle school.

Ya, and also it's a school that's particularly focused on math. Im a parent in that ecosystem and the families with very STEMy kids tried for BASIS, and everyone else tried for Latin.

Even so, the only middle schools in the city with higher math CAPE scores than Latin are BASIS and Deal.

That is not correct at all. See the CAPE thread. Latin does decently at middle school math, but so do a dozen other schools.

Am I reading the data incorrectly? I actually think it's true (Latin is behind only Deal and BASIS in math. Not a Latin family and no dog in this fight.)

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Anonymous wrote:So, the issue with the above reader is that it rolls a lot of middle schools in with elementary schools or high schools making it impossible to tell which MS (without attached ES or HS) has done the best.

If we can look at exact grades (6th, 7th or 8th) you could do an apples to apples comparison. But that's not available in the chart you linked to.

sure, but not sure how much practical difference it makes. regardless of how you sort, the answer, in terms of which schools come out on top, are all basically the same.

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Anonymous wrote:So, the issue with the above reader is that it rolls a lot of middle schools in with elementary schools or high schools making it impossible to tell which MS (without attached ES or HS) has done the best.

If we can look at exact grades (6th, 7th or 8th) you could do an apples to apples comparison. But that's not available in the chart you linked to.

sure, but not sure how much practical difference it makes. regardless of how you sort, the answer, in terms of which schools come out on top, are all basically the same.

We don't know that. If you could look it up by grade you could actually say, and maybe you can.

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you can look it up by grade. and also separate out 5s. its just time consuming to do so.

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Awesome—Basis ROCKS!