USN&WR high school ranking are out!

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I thought it might be true, so I went to last year's numbers and it is.

Basis has the smallest percentage of black schools among high schools at 17.4%!

This includes middle school students as well, so the number may well be lower if we could isolate high school students, but alas, the chart doesn't list that statistic.

Another superlative to add to the list.

The next smallest is School Without Walls at 22.7%.

Numbers are here if you want to check them.

https://osse.dc.gov/page/2024-25-school-year-enrollment-audit-report-and-data

Should be smallest percentage of black students.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is denying that it is selective. Everyone has the opportunity (if you get the lottery) to get in. But you must put in the work to stay. If you don't, it doesn't work. If it isn't an academic fit, it might not be a good choice for you. I have never heard anyone say that it is for everyone or that it isn't selective in high school. It must be. That is the only way that the kids can keep plugging through at the same speed and level. But I think it is hard to say that diplomatically because I believe - and I assume that most at basis believe - that tons of super smart kids who will do well in life wouldn't like basis. Best to actually pay attention to your kid and what they want. Don't send your child to a bad fit school if you can help it.

Also, racially, Basis is extremely diverse. I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that it is the most racially diverse school in the city.

But none of these schools are apples to apples. Walls and Banneker are both selective. We are all just doing our best to find the best fit for our kids knowing that all the potential options here have some difficulties. Why demonize any of them?

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It is indeed not the most racially diverse school in the district. Certainly not the least, but definitely not the most.

It seems almost the same as Walls (oddly similar in my mind; makes me want to dive in deeper, but I won't), and I could see an argument for JR being similarly racially diverse, though the numbers are so different that it is hard to compare (also I would like to see the breakdowns of the academies, which would be a closer match to Basis and Walls - correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert). Is there any other school that comes close?

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The thing about DC is that it has some schools that are close to 24% black 24% white 20% Hispanic 5% Asian 20% mixed.

We are a very diverse city and we have both some of the most diverse schools in the nation.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing about DC is that it has some schools that are close to 24% black 24% white 20% Hispanic 5% Asian 20% mixed.

We are a very diverse city and we have both some of the most diverse schools in the nation.

For most diverse and % above with good representation of all groups, it’s most likely in immersion charters or DCI

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Quick back of the envelope calculation says that the most diverse high schools are likely Jackson Reed and DCI. Jackson Reed's numbers are the closest to each other, and has more buy in from asian families, but DCI has a larger number of multiracial families and hispanic / latino families.

Here are Jackson Reed's numbers for 2024/2025:

Asian 5.6%
Black or African American 26.2%
Hispanic/Latino of any race 25.7%
Two or More Races 5.6 %
White 36%

If you're looking for a school with more hispanic / latino students AND mixed kids, DCI is fairly diverse as well.
DCI

Asian 2.7%
Black or African American 25.8%
Hispanic/Latino of any race 40%
Two or More Races 9.9%
White 21.2%

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

No, it's because BASIS boosters are narcissistic and annoying, and they're constantly claiming that BASIS is the best when really it's a selective school pretending not to be selective, so the comparison isn't meaningful.

Seems like an abuse of the word selective. Were you required to submit test scores or grades or a writing sample or literally anything at all when you applied to BASIS? No, you were not.

You can say there's self selection going on, but that happens across the city. Hard to go to any public school WOTP without being able to afford a $2 million house.

Why don't you explain to us what's required to be promoted from 6th grade to 7th grade at BASIS. That's where it is selective.

Why don't you explain to us why there's a wealth test that parents must pass before they can send their kids to Janney and Deal and JK? That's where it is selective.

You first

I'd rather have a school have high academic standards, and stick to those standards, than have a school that discriminates against children whose parents don't happen to be rich.

Which school would that be? If it's not BASIS, then why does BASIS have a lower economically disadvantaged percentage than JR and Deal?

Remind me which neighborhoods you're required to live in before your kid can attend BASIS.

It's not a requirement of JR or Deal either. There are non-residential ways to get in, such as through feeder schools.

It's not a requirement if you went to Janney! Which school, BASIS or JR, takes kids who live in Congress Heights?

A rising 9th grader, enrolling as a new student? Neither.

Disingenuous much? If you're going into fifth grade and you have the right lottery number, BASIS doesnt care where you live or how poor you are. That's a different universe from how WOTP schools operate.

Right, they only care if you're below grade level and will push you out. Unlike Ward 3 schools, who will continue to serve the child in an age-appropriate setting.

Is reading Animal Farm in 12th grade age appropriate?

I think everyone with half a brain understands that going to BASIS is perhaps a bit like going to MIT. It's not going to be fun, and you're going to miss out on a lot of normal kid stuff, but on the other hand, you'll get a terrific education.

MIT can be fun. Some of their frat parties can be nuts and attract kids from neighboring schools. They also offer every NCAA sport and win D3 championships in a number of sports.

I don’t think there is a US college you can compare to BASIS because no US college believe an absence of sports, clubs and all kinds of other non-academic activities makes for a great college experience.

It is crazy that people keep saying that BASIS doesn't have sports or clubs. My child is having a hard time trying to fit in all of their varsity sports (3) and leadership positions in the common app. They aren't including anything that is lower than Vice President, and still there are too many to fit. The number of extracurriculars that the students have done is incredible. Also, you all know that there are lots of extracurriculars in the city that are not tied to a school directly, right? Maybe your kids don't know how to tap into those resources, but the BASIS kids sure do. Do you know anything at all about senior project? Also hilarious saying that they don't have fun. Anyone who says that clearly doesn't have a senior.

Yes, it is selective. After 6th grade, you must be on grade level to continue. Basis has two years to get you to grade level, but if you start behind, it is hard work. I know several kids who didn't make it the first time, but put in the work and stayed on track for the rest of school. I also know a kid who wasn't an academic fit, but the kid really wanted to stay and the school worked with him extraordinarily closely (several hours a day with private instruction during covid, I know for a fact) to keep him from falling behind. It isn't a school for everyone. If it sounds like it would be hell for your child, it probably isnt a good fit. It was for mine.

Thank you for acknowledging that it is selective. I don't know why that's so hard for so many people. I guess because it makes their "success" less compelling.

I think the issue is that no one cares except for you. It also seems shitty that you put "success" in quotes. The students at BASIS are children. When they get into fantastic colleges, which they tend to do, it's because they worked their asses off. Nobody is giving them anything, and there's no need to put an asterisk next to their accomplishments. Try to learn to be less petty.

What's petty is the BASIS boosters who try to artificially pump up their school's reputation by insisting it isn't selective when actually it is.

You have a strange and obviously unhealthy fixation with BASIS.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

No, it's because BASIS boosters are narcissistic and annoying, and they're constantly claiming that BASIS is the best when really it's a selective school pretending not to be selective, so the comparison isn't meaningful.

Seems like an abuse of the word selective. Were you required to submit test scores or grades or a writing sample or literally anything at all when you applied to BASIS? No, you were not.

You can say there's self selection going on, but that happens across the city. Hard to go to any public school WOTP without being able to afford a $2 million house.

Why don't you explain to us what's required to be promoted from 6th grade to 7th grade at BASIS. That's where it is selective.

Why don't you explain to us why there's a wealth test that parents must pass before they can send their kids to Janney and Deal and JK? That's where it is selective.

You first

I'd rather have a school have high academic standards, and stick to those standards, than have a school that discriminates against children whose parents don't happen to be rich.

Which school would that be? If it's not BASIS, then why does BASIS have a lower economically disadvantaged percentage than JR and Deal?

Remind me which neighborhoods you're required to live in before your kid can attend BASIS.

It's not a requirement of JR or Deal either. There are non-residential ways to get in, such as through feeder schools.

It's not a requirement if you went to Janney! Which school, BASIS or JR, takes kids who live in Congress Heights?

A rising 9th grader, enrolling as a new student? Neither.

Disingenuous much? If you're going into fifth grade and you have the right lottery number, BASIS doesnt care where you live or how poor you are. That's a different universe from how WOTP schools operate.

Right, they only care if you're below grade level and will push you out. Unlike Ward 3 schools, who will continue to serve the child in an age-appropriate setting.

Is reading Animal Farm in 12th grade age appropriate?

I think everyone with half a brain understands that going to BASIS is perhaps a bit like going to MIT. It's not going to be fun, and you're going to miss out on a lot of normal kid stuff, but on the other hand, you'll get a terrific education.

MIT can be fun. Some of their frat parties can be nuts and attract kids from neighboring schools. They also offer every NCAA sport and win D3 championships in a number of sports.

I don’t think there is a US college you can compare to BASIS because no US college believe an absence of sports, clubs and all kinds of other non-academic activities makes for a great college experience.

It is crazy that people keep saying that BASIS doesn't have sports or clubs. My child is having a hard time trying to fit in all of their varsity sports (3) and leadership positions in the common app. They aren't including anything that is lower than Vice President, and still there are too many to fit. The number of extracurriculars that the students have done is incredible. Also, you all know that there are lots of extracurriculars in the city that are not tied to a school directly, right? Maybe your kids don't know how to tap into those resources, but the BASIS kids sure do. Do you know anything at all about senior project? Also hilarious saying that they don't have fun. Anyone who says that clearly doesn't have a senior.

Yes, it is selective. After 6th grade, you must be on grade level to continue. Basis has two years to get you to grade level, but if you start behind, it is hard work. I know several kids who didn't make it the first time, but put in the work and stayed on track for the rest of school. I also know a kid who wasn't an academic fit, but the kid really wanted to stay and the school worked with him extraordinarily closely (several hours a day with private instruction during covid, I know for a fact) to keep him from falling behind. It isn't a school for everyone. If it sounds like it would be hell for your child, it probably isnt a good fit. It was for mine.

Thank you for acknowledging that it is selective. I don't know why that's so hard for so many people. I guess because it makes their "success" less compelling.

I think the issue is that no one cares except for you. It also seems shitty that you put "success" in quotes. The students at BASIS are children. When they get into fantastic colleges, which they tend to do, it's because they worked their asses off. Nobody is giving them anything, and there's no need to put an asterisk next to their accomplishments. Try to learn to be less petty.

What's petty is the BASIS boosters who try to artificially pump up their school's reputation by insisting it isn't selective when actually it is.

You have a strange and obviously unhealthy fixation with BASIS.

Are you under the impression that there's only one person posting critical / questioning comments to the BASIS boosters? Nope. There are many. But the conversation had moved on. BASIS boosters clearly can't let it go.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

No, it's because BASIS boosters are narcissistic and annoying, and they're constantly claiming that BASIS is the best when really it's a selective school pretending not to be selective, so the comparison isn't meaningful.

Seems like an abuse of the word selective. Were you required to submit test scores or grades or a writing sample or literally anything at all when you applied to BASIS? No, you were not.

You can say there's self selection going on, but that happens across the city. Hard to go to any public school WOTP without being able to afford a $2 million house.

Why don't you explain to us what's required to be promoted from 6th grade to 7th grade at BASIS. That's where it is selective.

Why don't you explain to us why there's a wealth test that parents must pass before they can send their kids to Janney and Deal and JK? That's where it is selective.

You first

I'd rather have a school have high academic standards, and stick to those standards, than have a school that discriminates against children whose parents don't happen to be rich.

Which school would that be? If it's not BASIS, then why does BASIS have a lower economically disadvantaged percentage than JR and Deal?

Remind me which neighborhoods you're required to live in before your kid can attend BASIS.

It's not a requirement of JR or Deal either. There are non-residential ways to get in, such as through feeder schools.

It's not a requirement if you went to Janney! Which school, BASIS or JR, takes kids who live in Congress Heights?

A rising 9th grader, enrolling as a new student? Neither.

Disingenuous much? If you're going into fifth grade and you have the right lottery number, BASIS doesnt care where you live or how poor you are. That's a different universe from how WOTP schools operate.

Right, they only care if you're below grade level and will push you out. Unlike Ward 3 schools, who will continue to serve the child in an age-appropriate setting.

Is reading Animal Farm in 12th grade age appropriate?

I think everyone with half a brain understands that going to BASIS is perhaps a bit like going to MIT. It's not going to be fun, and you're going to miss out on a lot of normal kid stuff, but on the other hand, you'll get a terrific education.

MIT can be fun. Some of their frat parties can be nuts and attract kids from neighboring schools. They also offer every NCAA sport and win D3 championships in a number of sports.

I don’t think there is a US college you can compare to BASIS because no US college believe an absence of sports, clubs and all kinds of other non-academic activities makes for a great college experience.

It is crazy that people keep saying that BASIS doesn't have sports or clubs. My child is having a hard time trying to fit in all of their varsity sports (3) and leadership positions in the common app. They aren't including anything that is lower than Vice President, and still there are too many to fit. The number of extracurriculars that the students have done is incredible. Also, you all know that there are lots of extracurriculars in the city that are not tied to a school directly, right? Maybe your kids don't know how to tap into those resources, but the BASIS kids sure do. Do you know anything at all about senior project? Also hilarious saying that they don't have fun. Anyone who says that clearly doesn't have a senior.

Yes, it is selective. After 6th grade, you must be on grade level to continue. Basis has two years to get you to grade level, but if you start behind, it is hard work. I know several kids who didn't make it the first time, but put in the work and stayed on track for the rest of school. I also know a kid who wasn't an academic fit, but the kid really wanted to stay and the school worked with him extraordinarily closely (several hours a day with private instruction during covid, I know for a fact) to keep him from falling behind. It isn't a school for everyone. If it sounds like it would be hell for your child, it probably isnt a good fit. It was for mine.

Thank you for acknowledging that it is selective. I don't know why that's so hard for so many people. I guess because it makes their "success" less compelling.

I think the issue is that no one cares except for you. It also seems shitty that you put "success" in quotes. The students at BASIS are children. When they get into fantastic colleges, which they tend to do, it's because they worked their asses off. Nobody is giving them anything, and there's no need to put an asterisk next to their accomplishments. Try to learn to be less petty.

What's petty is the BASIS boosters who try to artificially pump up their school's reputation by insisting it isn't selective when actually it is.

You have a strange and obviously unhealthy fixation with BASIS.

Are you under the impression that there's only one person posting critical / questioning comments to the BASIS boosters? Nope. There are many. But the conversation had moved on. BASIS boosters clearly can't let it go.

Uh, huh. Are you this nutso in real life too?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing about DC is that it has some schools that are close to 24% black 24% white 20% Hispanic 5% Asian 20% mixed.

We are a very diverse city and we have both some of the most diverse schools in the nation.

For most diverse and % above with good representation of all groups, it’s most likely in immersion charters or DCI

The most diverse schools are in Ward 4. They have the broadest mix of racial and income groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow—won’t be long before BASIS DC, a 100% lottery school, ranks above Walls, which only takes straight A students.

That is totally misleading. Yes, basis accepts by lottery -- in 5th grade. It then forces out kids who aren't successful and refuses to accept any new students for 9th grade.

Oh stop. There's lots of schools in DC that have similar policies. BASIS is not unique.

Really? Name one.

Every bilingual school in the city?

What on earth are you talking about. That's definitely not true. Name even one school that does that, with cites. LAMB and YY stop accepting kids at a certain grade but they don't require anyone to repeat grades.

No one ever raised the issue of repeating grades, except for you.

You said "similar policies", and incentivizing kids to leave with developmentally inappropriate retention policies is key to how BASIS operates.

It seems very DC that people hate BASIS, one of the best schools in the city, but they have no problem with the dozens and dozens of steaming piles of shit that pass for public schools in this city.

No, it's because BASIS boosters are narcissistic and annoying, and they're constantly claiming that BASIS is the best when really it's a selective school pretending not to be selective, so the comparison isn't meaningful.

Seems like an abuse of the word selective. Were you required to submit test scores or grades or a writing sample or literally anything at all when you applied to BASIS? No, you were not.

You can say there's self selection going on, but that happens across the city. Hard to go to any public school WOTP without being able to afford a $2 million house.

Why don't you explain to us what's required to be promoted from 6th grade to 7th grade at BASIS. That's where it is selective.

Why don't you explain to us why there's a wealth test that parents must pass before they can send their kids to Janney and Deal and JK? That's where it is selective.

You first

I'd rather have a school have high academic standards, and stick to those standards, than have a school that discriminates against children whose parents don't happen to be rich.

Which school would that be? If it's not BASIS, then why does BASIS have a lower economically disadvantaged percentage than JR and Deal?

Remind me which neighborhoods you're required to live in before your kid can attend BASIS.

It's not a requirement of JR or Deal either. There are non-residential ways to get in, such as through feeder schools.

It's not a requirement if you went to Janney! Which school, BASIS or JR, takes kids who live in Congress Heights?

A rising 9th grader, enrolling as a new student? Neither.

Disingenuous much? If you're going into fifth grade and you have the right lottery number, BASIS doesnt care where you live or how poor you are. That's a different universe from how WOTP schools operate.

Right, they only care if you're below grade level and will push you out. Unlike Ward 3 schools, who will continue to serve the child in an age-appropriate setting.

Is reading Animal Farm in 12th grade age appropriate?

I think everyone with half a brain understands that going to BASIS is perhaps a bit like going to MIT. It's not going to be fun, and you're going to miss out on a lot of normal kid stuff, but on the other hand, you'll get a terrific education.

MIT can be fun. Some of their frat parties can be nuts and attract kids from neighboring schools. They also offer every NCAA sport and win D3 championships in a number of sports.

I don’t think there is a US college you can compare to BASIS because no US college believe an absence of sports, clubs and all kinds of other non-academic activities makes for a great college experience.

It is crazy that people keep saying that BASIS doesn't have sports or clubs. My child is having a hard time trying to fit in all of their varsity sports (3) and leadership positions in the common app. They aren't including anything that is lower than Vice President, and still there are too many to fit. The number of extracurriculars that the students have done is incredible. Also, you all know that there are lots of extracurriculars in the city that are not tied to a school directly, right? Maybe your kids don't know how to tap into those resources, but the BASIS kids sure do. Do you know anything at all about senior project? Also hilarious saying that they don't have fun. Anyone who says that clearly doesn't have a senior.

Yes, it is selective. After 6th grade, you must be on grade level to continue. Basis has two years to get you to grade level, but if you start behind, it is hard work. I know several kids who didn't make it the first time, but put in the work and stayed on track for the rest of school. I also know a kid who wasn't an academic fit, but the kid really wanted to stay and the school worked with him extraordinarily closely (several hours a day with private instruction during covid, I know for a fact) to keep him from falling behind. It isn't a school for everyone. If it sounds like it would be hell for your child, it probably isnt a good fit. It was for mine.

Thank you for acknowledging that it is selective. I don't know why that's so hard for so many people. I guess because it makes their "success" less compelling.

I think the issue is that no one cares except for you. It also seems shitty that you put "success" in quotes. The students at BASIS are children. When they get into fantastic colleges, which they tend to do, it's because they worked their asses off. Nobody is giving them anything, and there's no need to put an asterisk next to their accomplishments. Try to learn to be less petty.

What's petty is the BASIS boosters who try to artificially pump up their school's reputation by insisting it isn't selective when actually it is.

You have a strange and obviously unhealthy fixation with BASIS.

Are you under the impression that there's only one person posting critical / questioning comments to the BASIS boosters? Nope. There are many. But the conversation had moved on. BASIS boosters clearly can't let it go.

The person who knows the answer to this is Jeff.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing about DC is that it has some schools that are close to 24% black 24% white 20% Hispanic 5% Asian 20% mixed.

We are a very diverse city and we have both some of the most diverse schools in the nation.

For most diverse and % above with good representation of all groups, it’s most likely in immersion charters or DCI

The most diverse schools are in Ward 4. They have the broadest mix of racial and income groups.

This thread is mostly about high schools, and DCI is indeed in Ward 4, but I suspect you'll find similar diversity in Ward 5 charters.

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demographically pretty similar to hardy

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Hardy also has higher test scores

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Anonymous wrote:The thing about DC is that it has some schools that are close to 24% black 24% white 20% Hispanic 5% Asian 20% mixed.

We are a very diverse city and we have both some of the most diverse schools in the nation.

For most diverse and % above with good representation of all groups, it’s most likely in immersion charters or DCI

The most diverse schools are in Ward 4. They have the broadest mix of racial and income groups.

Hardy has a good racial diversity, though lowish on Asian:
Black: 30%
Hispanic/Latino: 18%
White: 40%
Asian: 5%
Multiple races: 7%

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Many elementary schools are quite diverse. This thread was mostly about high schools.

ITDS in Ward 5 has
Asian: 2.68
Black: 42.1
Hispanic: 10.9
Mixed: 10.3
White. 33.5