The Four Seasons - Netflix TV show

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

How was she just sitting doing nothing? She was a great mom, had a beautiful house, welcomed friends frequently and planned an anniversary party for her husband whom she was devoted to. What should she have been doing? Going water skiing?

The things you are listing would not take anyone a lot of time. The kid was in college. Do we have evidence she welcomed friends frequently? Seems like grasping. People are reacting to the fact that she was very physically feeble I think. She seemed much older than the age she was supposed to be.

I agree that they reduced ann to less than they needed to. I think it would’ve been even more compelling story if there was a little bit more sympathy for her - I do think they let her shine post divorce when she was the better parent and clearly able to pull it together in life when Nick was sort of flailing around in deep denial about aging and how to be content.

I liked Ann’s inertia but didn’t buy that she couldn’t get up from the boat. She’s not that old and she’s pretty fit. I also don’t get why they made her look older than the rest of them. She seemed more like mid 60s not mid 50s and that annoyed me. It seemed like they couldn’t trust the audience and had to hit us over the head. “Ann old, doesn’t like to do things. Ginni Young, likes adventure!” Yea we get that.

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Ginny’s character is likeable IMO and I can’t understand why she would be with Nick. His character sucks and he’s not on the same attractiveness level at all.

I actually liked Claude and couldn’t understand why the other characters kept talking bad about him.

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Anonymous wrote:Ginny’s character is likeable IMO and I can’t understand why she would be with Nick. His character sucks and he’s not on the same attractiveness level at all.

I actually liked Claude and couldn’t understand why the other characters kept talking bad about him.

+1 Nick looks like he would have old man breath

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Anonymous wrote:Ginny’s character is likeable IMO and I can’t understand why she would be with Nick. His character sucks and he’s not on the same attractiveness level at all.

I actually liked Claude and couldn’t understand why the other characters kept talking bad about him.

I loved the show but agree that relationship wasn’t convincing at all. After that parents weekend any sane woman would cut and run. It’s clear nick just left a mess in his wake and he’s not marriage and baby material. What 32 year old would want that mess?

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Anonymous wrote:Ginny’s character is likeable IMO and I can’t understand why she would be with Nick. His character sucks and he’s not on the same attractiveness level at all.

I actually liked Claude and couldn’t understand why the other characters kept talking bad about him.

I loved the show but agree that relationship wasn’t convincing at all. After that parents weekend any sane woman would cut and run. It’s clear nick just left a mess in his wake and he’s not marriage and baby material. What 32 year old would want that mess?

Yeah. Possibly more believable at 38 or 40 but certainly not at 32. Also, he was so rude to her friends.

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I really liked this show! I felt like it was believable that nick was seeking out adventure and change and, instead of working on himself and his anxiety around aging, got a new girlfriend to distract him and make him feel young and fun again. And I felt bad for Ginny who he really didn’t protect through everything and who was clearly seeking out stability and a “mature” guy who was less wishy washy than previous partners.

I found it to be interesting and funny

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I just watched the original, and it’s far worse. I prefer the remake.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, things were already starting to fray between them. If he knew, he spent NYE alone in a room playing the dumb game he criticized Ann for instead of with his pregnant girlfriend.

That makes it even more sad and clear he was chasing something you can’t get back.

He was buying non alcoholic cider. He knew.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, things were already starting to fray between them. If he knew, he spent NYE alone in a room playing the dumb game he criticized Ann for instead of with his pregnant girlfriend.

That makes it even more sad and clear he was chasing something you can’t get back.

He was buying non alcoholic cider. He knew.

He initially brought a real bottle of champagne to the friend gathering, and Ginny explicitly stated her sober friends were offended by the gesture. He was buying non alcoholic cider as part of his peace offering.

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Anonymous wrote:I just watched the original, and it’s far worse. I prefer the remake.

The remake is only a remake in name. It is a completely different story with the same name to try and use the cred of the original. There was no point to even call it "The Four Seasons" if they were going to completely change the whole thing. Is Tina going to remake "The Big Chill" to be about a bunch of Gen Xers at an abortion protest dancing to grunge songs?

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read the thread to avoid spoilers but I just watched the vassar episode-perfect!

Idk. It seemed corny to me. The play was dumb.

College student writes bad play is as real as it gets.

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I’m in my 50s with my kids gojng off to college and I can really relate to Anne and don’t think they made her too blah. You give up so much to raise kids and then they grow up and leave you with …. Not much. I put so much time into becoming friends with other moms but once you’re kids don’t hang out any more those friendships don’t really survive. I’ve thought about going back to some of the hobbies I had in my 20s but I wasn’t good at any of them so it seems kind of pointless — like Anne said, does the world really need more bowls (or my crappy painting or whatever)? I’m going to start cooking again but that also feels a bit pointless with no one really to eat it. It’s hard to avoid the feeling that you’re just moving towards that point where they put you out on an ice floe. And I have a job — Anne didn’t even have that!

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I thought it was a notable choice each of the couples with children only had one kid. Did Anne ever have a job? One kid is really just not that big of a heavy lift.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in my 50s with my kids gojng off to college and I can really relate to Anne and don’t think they made her too blah. You give up so much to raise kids and then they grow up and leave you with …. Not much. I put so much time into becoming friends with other moms but once you’re kids don’t hang out any more those friendships don’t really survive. I’ve thought about going back to some of the hobbies I had in my 20s but I wasn’t good at any of them so it seems kind of pointless — like Anne said, does the world really need more bowls (or my crappy painting or whatever)? I’m going to start cooking again but that also feels a bit pointless with no one really to eat it. It’s hard to avoid the feeling that you’re just moving towards that point where they put you out on an ice floe. And I have a job — Anne didn’t even have that!

I am getting divorced and also saw parts of Anne in myself.

Hopefully after raising children, you get a stong relationship with your children. I think Anne had that.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was a notable choice each of the couples with children only had one kid. Did Anne ever have a job? One kid is really just not that big of a heavy lift.

Raising a kid is a lot of work, and hr husband was busy being a master of the universe ad having affairs.

I was annoyed that Kate's "I do everything" was undermined by her ridiculously bad funeral choices and her husband's ability to heroically save her life because he read a book about Napoleon. IRL women are doing everything, and the choice whether you can stay in love with someone is is simultaneously a good guy and of very little practical use