The Four Seasons - Netflix TV show

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Couldn't even get through the first episode.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

Or she said that because of the pain and guilt she felt being in a fight with him when he died. She tells Anne privately that maybe they weren’t as happy as she thought.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

Wait, what lake would that be in Newburgh?? I thought they were in the Adirondacks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

I also loved that Acela bit! Felt like it spoke to my own life, lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

I’ve been to that Puerto Rico hotel where it was filmed and we paid $320/night. Not super expensive. It’s gorgeous tho

[Anonymous]

Did Tina Feys dh do the music? She’s never seen publicly with him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

Wait, what lake would that be in Newburgh?? I thought they were in the Adirondacks

No, they were two hours from Phoenicia (or one hour there and back?) so most likely south of the Adirondacks

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

How was she just sitting doing nothing? She was a great mom, had a beautiful house, welcomed friends frequently and planned an anniversary party for her husband whom she was devoted to. What should she have been doing? Going water skiing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

Wait, what lake would that be in Newburgh?? I thought they were in the Adirondacks

Online said the spring episode filmed in newburgh; fall was in beacon and Poughkeepsie and a farm outside clear spring; and winter was at Mount Peter. My mom grew up in Newburgh and thought it might be the reservoir, which Google tells me is called Lake Washington. Not sure if that’s it. Looking at the map, looks like there is also an Orange Lake near Newburgh. This looks nice!
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063489103473

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

How was she just sitting doing nothing? She was a great mom, had a beautiful house, welcomed friends frequently and planned an anniversary party for her husband whom she was devoted to. What should she have been doing? Going water skiing?

Weirdly I am a little bit Anne and a little bit Nick so I see both sides of it. I’m also not very physically adept and probably couldn’t get back into the boat. I get tired a lot and spend too much time staring at a screen and not motivating. I have zero interest in anything thrilling let jet skiing. But I’m also frustrated that my spouse has no interest in trying new things, traveling, taking a class, having a conversation about stuff. The empty nesters I know who seem most happy have a lot of shared interests and do thinks like cool together, plan travel, go to the theater or museums, go bicycling together, garden, whatever. If you don’t have anything you enjoy doing jointly after the kids go, I think it is really really challenging not to end up resenting each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

How was she just sitting doing nothing? She was a great mom, had a beautiful house, welcomed friends frequently and planned an anniversary party for her husband whom she was devoted to. What should she have been doing? Going water skiing?

The things you are listing would not take anyone a lot of time. The kid was in college. Do we have evidence she welcomed friends frequently? Seems like grasping. People are reacting to the fact that she was very physically feeble I think. She seemed much older than the age she was supposed to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who that has a job that pays them enough to travel to exotic locations is sufficiently not-busy to take this many vacations per year with their old college friends.

Besides one exotic vacation, they drove to the other places. One guy had a lake house so it was free for everyone else. They are clearly UMC but I didn't find it that unrealistic. With kids out of the house, weekend trips are not crazy.

Yeah, PR isn't even that exotic. I don't think they were even there a full week, were they? It was like a long vacation. They were like 4 long weekends a year, mostly local (the lake was in Newburgh, so about an hour north of the city, and Vassar is also only an hour outside the city). Nick was an investment guy, and they get whatever vacation they want; Kate's husband was a private school teacher, so again lots of long weekends and vacation; Claude and Anne had no jobs; and whatshisname was a self-employed interior decorator/designer/developer who clearly could make his own hours. Taking long weekends is nothign for people like that. I was very unclear on what Kate's job was, though. She seemed like a lawyer or something, since she never talked about it--she clearly did something that made decent money but is super boring, requires her to take Acela a bunch, and left her constantly a little stressed out. (Makes me sort of wonder if Tina Fey has friends from UVA that are basically living that life.)

One of my favorite lines was the joke about Acela -- cherry blossoms for spring? DC? No, Japan -- I think we can do better than an Acela vacation! I love Acela -- they have a heavy wine pour.

Wait, what lake would that be in Newburgh?? I thought they were in the Adirondacks

Online said the spring episode filmed in newburgh; fall was in beacon and Poughkeepsie and a farm outside clear spring; and winter was at Mount Peter. My mom grew up in Newburgh and thought it might be the reservoir, which Google tells me is called Lake Washington. Not sure if that’s it. Looking at the map, looks like there is also an Orange Lake near Newburgh. This looks nice!
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063489103473

I’m just chuckling to mysslf b/c I grew up in the Hudson Valley and Newburgh was NOT a destination or a place people had second homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

Same here! It gave me some pause and made me think. I always feel so tired and it's easy to just veg out when I'm not parenting or working. Hard to reclaim that independent spark of life.

I think people are defensive about Anne because they see themselves in her. Just total inertia. Always watching and sitting while other people do things and I do see more women doing this in mid life than men. Also I think she is not supposed to be 60. They are all early 50s, right?

How was she just sitting doing nothing? She was a great mom, had a beautiful house, welcomed friends frequently and planned an anniversary party for her husband whom she was devoted to. What should she have been doing? Going water skiing?

The things you are listing would not take anyone a lot of time. The kid was in college. Do we have evidence she welcomed friends frequently? Seems like grasping. People are reacting to the fact that she was very physically feeble I think. She seemed much older than the age she was supposed to be.

I agree that they reduced ann to less than they needed to. I think it would’ve been even more compelling story if there was a little bit more sympathy for her - I do think they let her shine post divorce when she was the better parent and clearly able to pull it together in life when Nick was sort of flailing around in deep denial about aging and how to be content.

I liked Ann’s inertia but didn’t buy that she couldn’t get up from the boat. She’s not that old and she’s pretty fit. I also don’t get why they made her look older than the rest of them. She seemed more like mid 60s not mid 50s and that annoyed me. It seemed like they couldn’t trust the audience and had to hit us over the head. “Ann old, doesn’t like to do things. Ginni Young, likes adventure!” Yea we get that.