What are everyone's thoughts on UF (University of Florida)?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

You can go to any random CA community college with a 3.0 GPA minimum and then get a Berkeley diploma after spending only two years there. I'm sure you would not say Berkeley is unconcerned with the quality of education.

Is the community college totally online? And run under the Berkeley name?

UF courses, even online, are far more rigorous than community college. They have a smaller number of courses that they’ll give credits for if they’re taken outside UF than most other universities.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Perhaps you shouldn’t come onto a dc site and ask what people think of UFl , and then get upset that it isn’t particularly highly thought of outside of Florida beyond its inflated US News ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

You can go to any random CA community college with a 3.0 GPA minimum and then get a Berkeley diploma after spending only two years there. I'm sure you would not say Berkeley is unconcerned with the quality of education.

Is the community college totally online? And run under the Berkeley name?

UF courses, even online, are far more rigorous than community college. They have a smaller number of courses that they’ll give credits for if they’re taken outside UF than most other universities.

You are setting the bar low, don’t you think? And of course, UFlorida has its own pathways for community college students.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Perhaps you shouldn’t come onto a dc site and ask what people think of UFl , and then get upset that it isn’t particularly highly thought of outside of Florida beyond its inflated US News ranking.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Perhaps you shouldn’t come onto a dc site and ask what people think of UFl , and then get upset that it isn’t particularly highly thought of outside of Florida beyond its inflated US News ranking.

lol I'm not the OP buddy. I grew up in the DC area. I just laugh at people like you full of bitterness for whatever reason towards a particular University which I'm sure you have no affiliation with. It's just weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Perhaps you shouldn’t come onto a dc site and ask what people think of UFl , and then get upset that it isn’t particularly highly thought of outside of Florida beyond its inflated US News ranking.

lol I'm not the OP buddy. I grew up in the DC area. I just laugh at people like you full of bitterness for whatever reason towards a particular University which I'm sure you have no affiliation with. It's just weird.

What’s weird is going on a opinion thread and complaining about opinions you don’t agree with.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Perhaps you shouldn’t come onto a dc site and ask what people think of UFl , and then get upset that it isn’t particularly highly thought of outside of Florida beyond its inflated US News ranking.

lol I'm not the OP buddy. I grew up in the DC area. I just laugh at people like you full of bitterness for whatever reason towards a particular University which I'm sure you have no affiliation with. It's just weird.

What’s weird is going on a opinion thread and complaining about opinions you don’t agree with.

You mean the one you have based on your subjective weird opinion. OK..got it.

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I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

Exactly. It seems like a few posters here are literally making stuff up because they have an axe to grind. Perhaps they unfortunately know someone that was rejected by UF or just being weirdly political with the entire state of FL and venting on UF. It's all so peculiar, honestly.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

I don’t think the online classes bit fell apart, there is the entire online freshman experience and then a bunch of online classes “normal” kids have to take, particularly for business majors. To my knowledge, Florida is atypical in this respect, the Arizona schools being the only other system to extensively use online classes.

Too much TA dependence didn’t fall apart either, the poster just said every state school does it which isn’t true.

Lastly, there is the truly laughable endowment of less than $50,000 per student to which no one responded and puts Florida in the cellar compared to a
alleged peer schools. And the curriculum changes imposed by DeSantis. Not to mention the grifting tenure of Ben Sasse as president.
Then there is the truly min

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I mean, it is in Florida but if you can deal with all the entails- it is a good school

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

I don’t think the online classes bit fell apart, there is the entire online freshman experience and then a bunch of online classes “normal” kids have to take, particularly for business majors. To my knowledge, Florida is atypical in this respect, the Arizona schools being the only other system to extensively use online classes.

Too much TA dependence didn’t fall apart either, the poster just said every state school does it which isn’t true.

Lastly, there is the truly laughable endowment of less than $50,000 per student to which no one responded and puts Florida in the cellar compared to a
alleged peer schools. And the curriculum changes imposed by DeSantis. Not to mention the grifting tenure of Ben Sasse as president.
Then there is the truly min

Over 90,000 applicants don't share your opinion. They have to reject over 80,000. They good.

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Actually over 70,000. They still good.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

DeSantis is that you?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the parent whose kid got into UF but is going elsewhere, for the reasons I gave upthread. I gave several reasons to avoid UF, and FL universities, but what irritating about so much of the anti-FL animus on this thread is that it's inarticulate and apparently unreasoned. One commenter helpfully spelled out their reasons: too many online courses at UF, and too much TA dependence. Great, but when challenged, these apparent reasons seem to fall apart (as explained upthread). What's left? It looks like people just hate Florida and Floridians. Well, fine, go ahead and hate the nation's third largest state -- I'm not a fan of it either. But does that really help someone -- the OP, presumably -- wondering whether their kid should be interested in attending this particular university? Maybe start from the assumption that this person doesn't antecedently despise the state it's in?

DeSantis is that you?

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