What are everyone's thoughts on UF (University of Florida)?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

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Here’s an eye opening statistic. UVa’s endowment per student is $388,000. UFL endowment is $49,000. It’s shocking low.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s an eye opening statistic. UVa’s endowment per student is $388,000. UFL endowment is $49,000. It’s shocking low.

Both numbers are endowment per student, just to be clear.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

Well, that's bad (the bolded bit above) -- I would avoid that for sure. Respectfully, however, you seem to be confusing TAs with adjuncts. TAs are grad students, whose graduate educations are funded by those teaching appointments. Universities don't appoint TAs as a cost-cutting measure: they do it to fund their graduate programs (especially at large publics). If UF has budgetary issues because of a lack of tuition inflow, what you'd see is not TAs but adjuncts. Are there a lot of adjuncts at UF? A lot of adjuncts is always a bad sign, but I've seen no evidence of that at UF -- though I have no idea what's going on in the business school. (For what it's worth, my impression is that the Bright Futures scholarship program is stably funded by the state, not by starving the universities of funding. But I haven't looked into it carefully.)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

You can go to any random CA community college with a 3.0 GPA minimum and then get a Berkeley diploma after spending only two years there. I'm sure you would not say Berkeley is unconcerned with the quality of education.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

You can go to any random CA community college with a 3.0 GPA minimum and then get a Berkeley diploma after spending only two years there. I'm sure you would not say Berkeley is unconcerned with the quality of education.

Is the community college totally online? And run under the Berkeley name?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

You can go to any random CA community college with a 3.0 GPA minimum and then get a Berkeley diploma after spending only two years there. I'm sure you would not say Berkeley is unconcerned with the quality of education.

Is the community college totally online? And run under the Berkeley name?

It could be online. Most community colleges have online courses available. As for the name, the diploma will have Berkeley on it after four years.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

Yep- I think it is called Innovation Academy. If is offered to a limited number of students who are not offered a regular path into the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Aha, so that's the source of the 'Zoom U' accusation! I'd heard of that program, but didn't draw the link. So UF performs this service -- a pipeline for students to boost second-chances of admission (without bringing them to campus, of course, because they're not yet actually admitted) -- and the result is UF gets slammed for having too many online classes!

There are definitely online classes aside from that program, especially for popular majors, but yes, that specific all-online program is something you have to pick willingly, not something imposed on students who had no clue this would happen!

It just shows that UFL admin is not driven by concerns over quality of education if you are handing over diplomas who spent at least one quarter of their time there totally online.

Just stop please. You're are clearly hateful of UF for whatever personal reasons you are bringing into it. You are from the DMV so don't worry about UF. Just don't have your kid apply. It's that easy. They had over 90,000 applications from across the country this cycle and are ranked #7 nationally among public universities by US News and rated a "Public Ivy". They don't care what you think.

Exactly! It's crazy some people (who aren't even sending their kid there) get so emotionally charged over UF. Who hurt you?!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure that there are smart kids at UFL, especially among the group for whom it is free. But it really appears to be run like a diploma mill with its dependence on online classes and TAs. Add in DeSantis influencing curriculum. It just isn’t appealing when one is paying real money for it.

Desantis influencing curriculum is a good reason to avoid FL's public universities. Dependence on TAs is not. (There seems to be no reason to think UF is more TA-dependent than other large research universities. There's actually reason to think it may be less TA-dependent than many others.) And is this 'Zoom U' accusation empirically well founded? Do students have to take online classes there?

The idea that UF is a 'diploma mill' is absurd. If makes sense only if you think that only SLACs are not diploma mills.

Yes, the zoom u is empirically founded. There is a one group of admitted freshman that are required to take online classes for the entire first year, but also many classes in the business school, etc . .Also true that stat schools differ in how much they rely upon TAs. All those kids attending for free means UFl is getting a lot fewer tuition dollars than other state flagships, this is true of all Florida public’s.

These freshmen do it as a pathway to admissions in order to get in when they would not have otherwise. It’s a little like community college to flagship, just a different set up. Bright Futures is funded by the lottery. Colleges get the money from these funds instead of students and their families, they do not actually admit these kids for free!!

Never let the truth get in the way of a good liberal narrative!