QuestBridge kids taking half the spots at top schools, and it’s unfair

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:QB students are a fraction of recruited athlete admits.

QB, QB type programs, first gen, and Pell are over 1/3 of Swarthmore admits. So about equal. Non-SLACs have a lower proportion of athletes, so this category far exceeds the athlete proportion.

I think the complaint is about applicants hiding finances or falsely claiming first-gen (not necessarily through Questbridge, but in their applications generally). This is easier to do for immigrant families, though it is a problem generally. Are 10% of students getting into very selective schools as a result of first gen lying? Probably. That’s a huge problem…

Your taxes don’t lie? First gen status means almost nothing compared to low income status. They care about the latter much more than the former.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:QB students are a fraction of recruited athlete admits.

QB, QB type programs, first gen, and Pell are over 1/3 of Swarthmore admits. So about equal. Non-SLACs have a lower proportion of athletes, so this category far exceeds the athlete proportion.

I think the complaint is about applicants hiding finances or falsely claiming first-gen (not necessarily through Questbridge, but in their applications generally). This is easier to do for immigrant families, though it is a problem generally. Are 10% of students getting into very selective schools as a result of first gen lying? Probably. That’s a huge problem…

Can you support this statement with a link?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed on all fronts. Look at how many spots are being stolen by Thrive Scholars: https://www.instagram.com/thrivedecisions29?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

"stolen"!!! quick, call the cops!!!

Or maybe, you know, they're good students.

It seems suspicious that all these poor kids are eligible for admission to the best colleges in the world. This should be investigated!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with true QuestBridge kids at all. The problem a lot of people don't realize is that quite some of them are not poor at all. They are not middle class of course because middle class parents won't be able to hide their wealth. The ones I know, parents own companies or parents make money overseas. I don't understand how they could pass the QuestBridge criteria to be honest based on the living standard they have. Not to mention the ones who use college counseling companies to package their questbridge applications. Those services are not cheap at all. I know I couldn't afford it.

Hopefully schools figure out a way to monitor this and provide harsh penalties for applicants that submit fraudulent information because they are taking an opportunity away from an actual deserving low income kid. Also, it just puts a cloud on the entire program and allows entitled UMC parents that couldn't get their kids into the school another reason to complain.

Not one person on these 10 pages of comments has produced so much as a YouTube video implying QB cheating. If it's so ubiquitous, it should also be easy to demonstrate. The fact that it's not suggests that maybe this is not a real problem, and there is no actual "cloud on the entire program."

Yes, I think those posts are smear tactics against students whose parents are immigrants. They always seem to suggest money hoarded on another country. I have seen no evidence of this. Guessing our nasty political troll is disseminating propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Thank you so much to the posters fighting hate and discrimination from OP and others.

A. Questbridge is very competitive.

B. Questbridge dissects your finances. It's the rare person who is willing to quit their job or divorce to comply with some of their criteria.

So no, massive numbers of low income intelligent kids are NOT displacing your precious middle class kid.

But maybe you want to bring the fight to the legacies, athletes and development cases. They do not deserve a leg up!!!

This deserves a repost

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thank you so much to the posters fighting hate and discrimination from OP and others.

A. Questbridge is very competitive.

B. Questbridge dissects your finances. It's the rare person who is willing to quit their job or divorce to comply with some of their criteria.

So no, massive numbers of low income intelligent kids are NOT displacing your precious middle class kid.

But maybe you want to bring the fight to the legacies, athletes and development cases. They do not deserve a leg up!!!

This deserves a repost

Same poster again. With the caveat that schools ALSO review finances and the ones to ultimately decide if the student is eligible financially. No different than any other applicant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with true QuestBridge kids at all. The problem a lot of people don't realize is that quite some of them are not poor at all. They are not middle class of course because middle class parents won't be able to hide their wealth. The ones I know, parents own companies or parents make money overseas. I don't understand how they could pass the QuestBridge criteria to be honest based on the living standard they have. Not to mention the ones who use college counseling companies to package their questbridge applications. Those services are not cheap at all. I know I couldn't afford it.

Hopefully schools figure out a way to monitor this and provide harsh penalties for applicants that submit fraudulent information because they are taking an opportunity away from an actual deserving low income kid. Also, it just puts a cloud on the entire program and allows entitled UMC parents that couldn't get their kids into the school another reason to complain.

Not one person on these 10 pages of comments has produced so much as a YouTube video implying QB cheating. If it's so ubiquitous, it should also be easy to demonstrate. The fact that it's not suggests that maybe this is not a real problem, and there is no actual "cloud on the entire program."

Yes, I think those posts are smear tactics against students whose parents are immigrants. They always seem to suggest money hoarded on another country. I have seen no evidence of this. Guessing our nasty political troll is disseminating propaganda.

There’s also sadly a group of individuals who post here and hate the poor. There’s consistent rants about the poor that are nonsensical

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:QB students are a fraction of recruited athlete admits.

QB, QB type programs, first gen, and Pell are over 1/3 of Swarthmore admits. So about equal. Non-SLACs have a lower proportion of athletes, so this category far exceeds the athlete proportion.

I think the complaint is about applicants hiding finances or falsely claiming first-gen (not necessarily through Questbridge, but in their applications generally). This is easier to do for immigrant families, though it is a problem generally. Are 10% of students getting into very selective schools as a result of first gen lying? Probably. That’s a huge problem…

How can you hide that your parent has a college degree, even if the degree was granted overseas somewhere? They count degrees received in outside the US as well, right?

You don’t reveal it — and there is no way to know. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA has guaranteed admission with a 3.4 community college GPA

They aren’t competing with Freshmen. They are coming into it as a second or third year with transfer credits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with true QuestBridge kids at all. The problem a lot of people don't realize is that quite some of them are not poor at all. They are not middle class of course because middle class parents won't be able to hide their wealth. The ones I know, parents own companies or parents make money overseas. I don't understand how they could pass the QuestBridge criteria to be honest based on the living standard they have. Not to mention the ones who use college counseling companies to package their questbridge applications. Those services are not cheap at all. I know I couldn't afford it.

Hopefully schools figure out a way to monitor this and provide harsh penalties for applicants that submit fraudulent information because they are taking an opportunity away from an actual deserving low income kid. Also, it just puts a cloud on the entire program and allows entitled UMC parents that couldn't get their kids into the school another reason to complain.

Not one person on these 10 pages of comments has produced so much as a YouTube video implying QB cheating. If it's so ubiquitous, it should also be easy to demonstrate. The fact that it's not suggests that maybe this is not a real problem, and there is no actual "cloud on the entire program."

Yes, I think those posts are smear tactics against students whose parents are immigrants. They always seem to suggest money hoarded on another country. I have seen no evidence of this. Guessing our nasty political troll is disseminating propaganda.

Some of us actually know people. You need to expand your circles of acquaintances and friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:QB students are a fraction of recruited athlete admits.

QB, QB type programs, first gen, and Pell are over 1/3 of Swarthmore admits. So about equal. Non-SLACs have a lower proportion of athletes, so this category far exceeds the athlete proportion.

I think the complaint is about applicants hiding finances or falsely claiming first-gen (not necessarily through Questbridge, but in their applications generally). This is easier to do for immigrant families, though it is a problem generally. Are 10% of students getting into very selective schools as a result of first gen lying? Probably. That’s a huge problem…

How can you hide that your parent has a college degree, even if the degree was granted overseas somewhere? They count degrees received in outside the US as well, right?

some schools, elite ones, count a student as first gen when parents have a degree from outside the usa

It really depends. Does your dad work at Amazon Web Services based on a degree he got in India? You will not be able to get away with it.
Does your PhD dad drive uber because he can't get a job with that degree here in the USA? Then maybe you can get away with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since the Supreme Court ruling on admissions, now universities are looking at low to moderate income high achievers from QuestBridge to fill diversity slots. But what about minority kids who are high income? And everyone else? Are we all getting the shaft? My daughter is getting rejection after rejection even though she has high SAT scores and GPA. And I’m sure they chose a low income minority to fill that slot over us. The whole admissions game completely sucks. I’m tired of all these overkill programs leaning toward lower or moderate income. It needs to be a fair shot for all.

I think you said the quiet part out loud OP. Down with the poor minorities, up with the privileged whites.

OP said down with the poor minorities, up with the privileged (financially) minorities

There is a lot of anxiety among some UMC URM families.
Their URM status was a hook that has gone away.
Their kids have great grades and their test scores are good enough for Georgetown but they were expecting Yale.
Their parents had similar stats and they got into yale and they were hoping their kids would get the same consideration.
Except now their kids are UMC and will no longer get the same bump simply by being URM.
Now they have to be poor. And even worse, sometimes the poor kids are white.
And suddenly, the preference is unfair.

But those URM UMC kids are legacies at Yale. They get that boost instead of an URM boost just like the white legacies.

Legacy preferences are not big enough to cover that sort of gap in achievement.
I think we should get rid of legacy and athletic preferences but they are not illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since the Supreme Court ruling on admissions, now universities are looking at low to moderate income high achievers from QuestBridge to fill diversity slots. But what about minority kids who are high income? And everyone else? Are we all getting the shaft? My daughter is getting rejection after rejection even though she has high SAT scores and GPA. And I’m sure they chose a low income minority to fill that slot over us. The whole admissions game completely sucks. I’m tired of all these overkill programs leaning toward lower or moderate income. It needs to be a fair shot for all.

There is so much wrong with this post, as many PPs have addressed above.

It also seems fishy. OP - Your daughter has high stats but already has received “rejection after rejection” by mid-December? That sounds inconsistent to me given the schools that offer EA.

I get that she was likely rejected from her ED school. But which other schools have rejected her already? And what exactly are her stats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with true QuestBridge kids at all. The problem a lot of people don't realize is that quite some of them are not poor at all. They are not middle class of course because middle class parents won't be able to hide their wealth. The ones I know, parents own companies or parents make money overseas. I don't understand how they could pass the QuestBridge criteria to be honest based on the living standard they have. Not to mention the ones who use college counseling companies to package their questbridge applications. Those services are not cheap at all. I know I couldn't afford it.

Hopefully schools figure out a way to monitor this and provide harsh penalties for applicants that submit fraudulent information because they are taking an opportunity away from an actual deserving low income kid. Also, it just puts a cloud on the entire program and allows entitled UMC parents that couldn't get their kids into the school another reason to complain.

Not one person on these 10 pages of comments has produced so much as a YouTube video implying QB cheating. If it's so ubiquitous, it should also be easy to demonstrate. The fact that it's not suggests that maybe this is not a real problem, and there is no actual "cloud on the entire program."

Yes, I think those posts are smear tactics against students whose parents are immigrants. They always seem to suggest money hoarded on another country. I have seen no evidence of this. Guessing our nasty political troll is disseminating propaganda.

Some of us actually know people. You need to expand your circles of acquaintances and friends.

No you don't.
There is not some large population of people that are "wealthy back home" but living poor in America.
That's silly.
I know a lot of people who "claim" to be wealthy back home but can't keep up on their car payments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thank you so much to the posters fighting hate and discrimination from OP and others.

A. Questbridge is very competitive.

B. Questbridge dissects your finances. It's the rare person who is willing to quit their job or divorce to comply with some of their criteria.

So no, massive numbers of low income intelligent kids are NOT displacing your precious middle class kid.

But maybe you want to bring the fight to the legacies, athletes and development cases. They do not deserve a leg up!!!

This deserves a repost

Of the ~2500 QB matches this year, most of the matches were NOT with IVY+ schools.

I think Yale has 66 QB matches this year. This is higher than prior years.