Rebel forces advancing in Syria …

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

lol they mowed the grass again. Hezbollah is down, ISIS is up. This was Israel long term plan. Remember what the US wants for the region(no ISIS) is not what Israel wants. In 5 years Israel will invade Syria, seize land, ethically cleanse and have a border with Turkey. Though there will be no NATO(another long term goal of Israel).

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Of course while most of the world cheers the remarkable ousting of Assad, and the liberation of the Syrian people - here on DCUM it's just lots of tut tutting about the Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course while most of the world cheers the remarkable ousting of Assad, and the liberation of the Syrian people - here on DCUM it's just lots of tut tutting about the Jews.

Since ALL of the comments you’re alluding to reference “Israel” and Israel only, your intentional conflation of Israel with “Jews” is noted.

Be sure not to be a hypocritical POS and open your mouth when others now conflate the two.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

Would that be good or bad to you? 🤡

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

I don’t know if it is a trick question but obviously yes, not directly but indirectly.
Since Iran is very busy with Israel it neglected Syria which the rebels timed it perfectly to take over the country.

of course Iran was busy with Israel because Hamas made the disastrous decision to attack Israel … yet somehow the fall of Syria will be Israel’s fault and due to their colonization of Syria lol

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

lol they mowed the grass again. Hezbollah is down, ISIS is up. This was Israel long term plan. Remember what the US wants for the region(no ISIS) is not what Israel wants. In 5 years Israel will invade Syria, seize land, ethically cleanse and have a border with Turkey. Though there will be no NATO(another long term goal of Israel).

Hmm OK, and what was Russia Turkey and Iran’s plan for Syria?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

I don’t know if it is a trick question but obviously yes, not directly but indirectly.
Since Iran is very busy with Israel it neglected Syria which the rebels timed it perfectly to take over the country.

That too but I really wonder if very behind the scenes there might have been anything. The US has certainly done things like that, thinking Iran-Contra.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

Would that be good or bad to you? 🤡

I honestly have no idea tbh

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

lol they mowed the grass again. Hezbollah is down, ISIS is up. This was Israel long term plan. Remember what the US wants for the region(no ISIS) is not what Israel wants. In 5 years Israel will invade Syria, seize land, ethically cleanse and have a border with Turkey. Though there will be no NATO(another long term goal of Israel).

I'm not clear as to which groups have had the most clout in these events. Syrian Democratic Forces are not ISIS, right? Is there a source yet that is able to break this all down? Is there a sense of which group(s) are taking the lead in running the government at this point? Sounds like the US has been supporting the SDF and I know we have attacked ISIS camps in recent days (contrary to TFG they are not all gone).

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Israeli Ground Forces Cross into Syria, Officials Say
Israeli ground forces have overtly crossed into Syrian territory for the first time since the 1973 October War, passing the demilitarized border zone, two Israeli officials said.

NYTimes

Looks like the Israelis are grabbing some more land. Who knew Syria has oil and gas reserves. The Israelis new buffer zone will overlap the gas and oil reserves.

note you aren’t upset about Turkey taking 100x more land yesterday than Israel did

What’s it like to obsess over finding slights everywhere you look?

why do you single out israel?

DP come on. Israel is always behind this sh#t. They destabilize all of the Middle East.

Omg what a f’in idiot. read doofus.

if anything Hamas owns this one.

DP

The only f’ing idiots in the discussion are those who blindly, unconditionally support Israel. In addition to being idiots, they are either dishonest or immoral.

DP. Idiots?

Israel has almost singlehandedly reworked the ME in a way that benefits the US.

Iran and its proxies have been dramatically weakened, Russia's bases in Syria (from which it projects influence throughout the region and into Africa) are in jeopardy, and both countries are now seen as unreliable and weak allies.

This all redounds massively to our benefit. And it's almost wholly the result of Israel's actions.

High cost in civilian lives? Absolutely, perhaps unacceptably so.

But let's not be dishonest about the results: the US is in a far better position than we were a year ago.

Spoken like someone who thinks life can only exist as a warped, real life version of RISK. Most likely because you’re one of the countless drones who rely on global conflict to feather your nest.

Back here in reality, the only upside of the “high cost in civilian lives” is the certainty that removing these boogeyman adversaries from the board will eventually remove all doubt as to the actual sources of evil across the globe …

All of these developments have created quite a conundrum for Israel - seize the opportunity to eliminate boogeymen from the safety of F-35s high in the sky (yay!), but then who are we left to blame for our sustained malignant conduct in the region (ruh roh)?

Huh.

You seem upset that Russia and Iran have lost influence and ability to project force across the ME (and beyond, in Russia's case). Strange.

Hardly. The only detail that has me “upset” is the fact that we (the U.S.) persist in promulgating foreign policy that never seems to actually improve global welfare on the ground.

We're doing pretty well by most objective measurements.

Check out global life expectancy or global per cap income 1945 vs today.

Astonishing progress in "improving global welfare", much of which is attributable (indirectly and/or directly) to the US.

And from the perspective of US national interest, our foreign policy has helped create truly remarkable (perhaps unprecedented in modern history) prosperity and security for the US.

So, yeah, we're far from perfect, but our FP has been wildly successful by any reasonable measure.

All of that ^^^ is the history we write. Why don’t you inquire with the people in some of those areas around the globe we “help”. Their opinion is vastly different than yours.

“We’re doing pretty well” … I guess that pretty much sums it up for you. As long as “we” are doing pretty well, whatever that cost is most assuredly justified.

No, that's not "the history we write". The massive (likely unprecedented in human history) increases in global life expectancy and per capita income increases are objective truths.

But yes, the primary purpose of foreign policy is (and should be) to secure and benefit our nation. That's the nature of the international order (or lack thereof) and I can assure you that every other nation on earth is doing exactly the same thing.

You're evidently a utopian fantasist, who derides the good in search of the perfect. Good luck with that.

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Israeli Ground Forces Cross into Syria, Officials Say
Israeli ground forces have overtly crossed into Syrian territory for the first time since the 1973 October War, passing the demilitarized border zone, two Israeli officials said.

NYTimes

Looks like the Israelis are grabbing some more land. Who knew Syria has oil and gas reserves. The Israelis new buffer zone will overlap the gas and oil reserves.

note you aren’t upset about Turkey taking 100x more land yesterday than Israel did

What’s it like to obsess over finding slights everywhere you look?

why do you single out israel?

DP come on. Israel is always behind this sh#t. They destabilize all of the Middle East.

Omg what a f’in idiot. read doofus.

if anything Hamas owns this one.

DP

The only f’ing idiots in the discussion are those who blindly, unconditionally support Israel. In addition to being idiots, they are either dishonest or immoral.

DP. Idiots?

Israel has almost singlehandedly reworked the ME in a way that benefits the US.

Iran and its proxies have been dramatically weakened, Russia's bases in Syria (from which it projects influence throughout the region and into Africa) are in jeopardy, and both countries are now seen as unreliable and weak allies.

This all redounds massively to our benefit. And it's almost wholly the result of Israel's actions.

High cost in civilian lives? Absolutely, perhaps unacceptably so.

But let's not be dishonest about the results: the US is in a far better position than we were a year ago.

Spoken like someone who thinks life can only exist as a warped, real life version of RISK. Most likely because you’re one of the countless drones who rely on global conflict to feather your nest.

Back here in reality, the only upside of the “high cost in civilian lives” is the certainty that removing these boogeyman adversaries from the board will eventually remove all doubt as to the actual sources of evil across the globe …

All of these developments have created quite a conundrum for Israel - seize the opportunity to eliminate boogeymen from the safety of F-35s high in the sky (yay!), but then who are we left to blame for our sustained malignant conduct in the region (ruh roh)?

Huh.

You seem upset that Russia and Iran have lost influence and ability to project force across the ME (and beyond, in Russia's case). Strange.

Hardly. The only detail that has me “upset” is the fact that we (the U.S.) persist in promulgating foreign policy that never seems to actually improve global welfare on the ground.

We're doing pretty well by most objective measurements.

Check out global life expectancy or global per cap income 1945 vs today.

Astonishing progress in "improving global welfare", much of which is attributable (indirectly and/or directly) to the US.

And from the perspective of US national interest, our foreign policy has helped create truly remarkable (perhaps unprecedented in modern history) prosperity and security for the US.

So, yeah, we're far from perfect, but our FP has been wildly successful by any reasonable measure.

All of that ^^^ is the history we write. Why don’t you inquire with the people in some of those areas around the globe we “help”. Their opinion is vastly different than yours.

“We’re doing pretty well” … I guess that pretty much sums it up for you. As long as “we” are doing pretty well, whatever that cost is most assuredly justified.

No, that's not "the history we write". The massive (likely unprecedented in human history) increases in global life expectancy and per capita income increases are objective truths.

But yes, the primary purpose of foreign policy is (and should be) to secure and benefit our nation. That's the nature of the international order (or lack thereof) and I can assure you that every other nation on earth is doing exactly the same thing.

You're evidently a utopian fantasist, who derides the good in search of the perfect. Good luck with that.

Fallopian fantasy novelist what … ?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

I don’t know if it is a trick question but obviously yes, not directly but indirectly.
Since Iran is very busy with Israel it neglected Syria which the rebels timed it perfectly to take over the country.

That too but I really wonder if very behind the scenes there might have been anything. The US has certainly done things like that, thinking Iran-Contra.

My guess is the original uprising was fomented externally with this end in mind, not something that just happened organically. Not sure who would be involved, but I suppose you could make some good guesses. It’s probably part of some larger plan for the region that has been taking place over the last couple of decades or so. Things have been falling into place nicely so far.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

I don’t know if it is a trick question but obviously yes, not directly but indirectly.
Since Iran is very busy with Israel it neglected Syria which the rebels timed it perfectly to take over the country.

That too but I really wonder if very behind the scenes there might have been anything. The US has certainly done things like that, thinking Iran-Contra.

My guess is the original uprising was fomented externally with this end in mind, not something that just happened organically. Not sure who would be involved, but I suppose you could make some good guesses. It’s probably part of some larger plan for the region that has been taking place over the last couple of decades or so. Things have been falling into place nicely so far.

Omg. read. none of this is unknown.

Iran, Russia and Hezbollah were propping up Assad. US/NATO armed insurgents. The Islamic State got involved against both insurgents and the Syrian government. Most recently the action was on the Turkish border with Turkey attacking Kurdish groups in Syria.

If your “good guesses” are that Israel is behind the Syrian civil war, your brain has fallen prey to the Jewish Space Lasers again.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

lol they mowed the grass again. Hezbollah is down, ISIS is up. This was Israel long term plan. Remember what the US wants for the region(no ISIS) is not what Israel wants. In 5 years Israel will invade Syria, seize land, ethically cleanse and have a border with Turkey. Though there will be no NATO(another long term goal of Israel).

I'm not clear as to which groups have had the most clout in these events. Syrian Democratic Forces are not ISIS, right? Is there a source yet that is able to break this all down? Is there a sense of which group(s) are taking the lead in running the government at this point? Sounds like the US has been supporting the SDF and I know we have attacked ISIS camps in recent days (contrary to TFG they are not all gone).

ISIS is a tiny component of what's happening in Syria. There can't be more than a 1000 left. It's the reason why the US has a military presence in Syria. We do have roughly 900 soldiers remaining in Syria today. And now that the Russians are out, I suspect there is a lot more leeway to take out the remaining ISIS members - whether by rebels, Israeli air power, the Turks, or the US.

But Islamic extremism can take many forms - from Hamas to the Taliban to ISIS. Assad and the Baathists were fundamentally secular. What happens next is anyone's guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility Israel had any kind of hand in the rebels' success?

lol they mowed the grass again. Hezbollah is down, ISIS is up. This was Israel long term plan. Remember what the US wants for the region(no ISIS) is not what Israel wants. In 5 years Israel will invade Syria, seize land, ethically cleanse and have a border with Turkey. Though there will be no NATO(another long term goal of Israel).

I'm not clear as to which groups have had the most clout in these events. Syrian Democratic Forces are not ISIS, right? Is there a source yet that is able to break this all down? Is there a sense of which group(s) are taking the lead in running the government at this point? Sounds like the US has been supporting the SDF and I know we have attacked ISIS camps in recent days (contrary to TFG they are not all gone).

ISIS is a tiny component of what's happening in Syria. There can't be more than a 1000 left. It's the reason why the US has a military presence in Syria. We do have roughly 900 soldiers remaining in Syria today. And now that the Russians are out, I suspect there is a lot more leeway to take out the remaining ISIS members - whether by rebels, Israeli air power, the Turks, or the US.

But Islamic extremism can take many forms - from Hamas to the Taliban to ISIS. Assad and the Baathists were fundamentally secular. What happens next is anyone's guess.

Well, I think we can guess that what happens next will involve sectarian violence, proxy wars with Iran, Turkey, and Israel, and nothing good for the Syrian people.