Haha there is the stereotypical conservative “what aboutism” that is always reliably posted whenever a problem is identified. |
Then why are you on here complaining? |
I have been RTO for years. I offer all 3 of the above to my team. We have childcare on site although it’s a different building and there are other options since some people complain on site childcare is too expensive. I offer flexibility and WFH with sick kids / family/ emergency as long as people get their work done. I’m a mom so I get it, but my spouse also does childcare pickup. It shouldn’t be solely on the woman. I have a team member who refuses to let her husband do anything and she has 3 kids and 2 dogs and according to her she is the main earner. Share the responsibility. One member of my team needed countless flexibility - leaving early for about a month (2:45 PM). I told her as long as she signed back on and was available by phone and did her work it was fine. That didn’t happen so I had to talk with her again and say when you leave at 2:45 to pick up your kids that doesn’t mean you can sign off at 2:45 especially not when you roll in at 9:15/9:30 and take a lunch. She had countless vacation and sick days she could take or take partial days if she didn’t want to sign back on. I recommended looking for other childcare which didn’t seem to be happening (school aged kids). She has a nanny for her youngest but refused to pay the nanny more $ to watch her two oldest after school. I almost had to take away that flexibility but after two discussions the childcare issues were resolved. We’re adults and it’s fine if occasionally you drop the ball but you can’t expect it to be an every day occurrence. During Covid people got used to producing less work and having more time in their own. If that is your goal, fine, but then you might make less $ or be competing against a lot more people for those certain roles. If you’re offered that flexibility don’t then take it for granted. Same thing with WFH with sick kids. That’s fine if you actually work, otherwise use your sick leave. We are front facing so it’s not just me nitpicking. I grew up with a single mom (dad died) who worked all the time. We were in aftercare and had a babysitter in the summer because she couldn’t afford camp. We had a neighbor who only worked PT and had a daughter in our class so our mom paid her to watch us some days after school. The other days (when after care was not available) she paid a high schooler to watch us. My mom figured it out and didn’t complain. I learned to cook, clean, and do my own laundry at a young age. My mom to this day hates WFH- everyone she interacts with who WFH she says it takes them 2-5x longer to get the work done than pre Covid. There are so many options people just don’t want to pay for them. Growing up we lived in a small old house and owned one old car and took one vacation a year. I played one sport a season and only on a weekend, we didn’t go out to eat, and didn’t wear name brand clothes. We figured it out. I also knew I needed to work hard so I could get a scholarship for college and paid my own way for undergrad and grad school. Many schools offer after care, hire a high schooler, or offer to pay a SAHP to watch your kids after school. Also, many schools have clubs so sign your kid up for a club and you and another parent switch off over who will do the pick up. Or do a carpool situation. If more people worked together when they had WFH options maybe your neighbors would be willing to help you out more when you RTO. If you aren’t happy look for a new role. It’s really that simple. If you want that pension and excellent healthcare benefit even after you retire (which no one else gets) then suck it up and stop complaining. My MiL retired mid 50s and gets a 6 figure pension and her healthcare paid for. She had a really crappy 20 years but her husband who owned his own business ended up having financial issues and if it weren’t for her pension they would be totally screwed. |
+1 another fed who was WFH half the time well before Covid. It's a reason I chose my agency and stayed there. |
I returned to office in 2021 and it was impossible to source childcare in NOVA. We were paying $25/hr! Most of the au pair looking for extra work ghosted me. I used a couple college girls during summer but they had to return to school.
We end up finding lady without childcare experience, she worked in medical billing before. Glad it worked out but that was distressing and impacted my job. |
Too little too late obviously! And the feckless Dem politicians will crater to the Dem NIMBYs anyway. |
There’s nothing “whatabout” about it. The long commutes and expensive housing are caused by Dem policies full stop. Childcare costs are less to be blamed on Dems although they certainly are trying their best to increase childcare costs through licensing requirements. |
People forget that before COVID working from home agreements stated you must have childcare if you have minor children at home and you are working from home. That was relaxed during COVID because of labor shortages and the fact no one wanted to work. However that time has passed so you must have childcare at home or take PTO. |
I think agencies will go back to pre COVID telework Policies. In my case that is 50% of the time. There is no space to go back 5 days a week. However, I am still paying for aftercare in case they ask me to go everyday. |
My school has a private after care company come in for on site care until 6pm but I get home around 7pm, this gap is harder to address because you can’t find a sitter for 6-7. 3pm - 7pm is a do-able schedule for sitters then you are looking to pay 3000/month. |
Your employee needs to leave early once a MONTH and it's such an enormous deal that you wrote multiple paragraphs about it?? Yes life has been and still is very hard for many people. Most are not aspiring to that though. |
I can't not. I'm a prosecutor and I am assigned cases. I am expected to write warrants, provide discovery, appear in court, respond to filings, etc. If I let a ball drop, I don't only risk dismissal/acquittal in a case against a dangerous defendant, I risk my bar license. |
Thanks HR. That's not what this thread is about. Try reading. |
My husband and I both work hybrid, so someone is always home.
Full RTO would be very challenging for us. Right now, whoever is WFH each day can walk the kids to school and be back in time to start work at 9. Then can leave right at 5 to get the kids from aftercare at 5:15 and be home by 5:30. The person in the office has a 40 min commute (ours are essentially the same) so is out of the house from 8:20-5:40. It works out well. We do pay for aftercare, which theoretically goes until 6, and we pay for childcare for all the random days off school (weird holidays/teacher workdays/etc) so that wouldn’t change. But they’d have to be in before school care too and in aftercare longer too if we were back in the office full time. That would cost us only slightly more, but would be a huge negative for the kids, being at school prob 8:15-5:30 instead of their current 8:45-5. That’s already a long day for preschool and early elementary kids. An extra hour and we’d barely see them! Also, when a kid is sick, our kids at least just turn into sleepy, feverish puddles, so it’s easy to set them up in front of the TV and still work a full day. I don’t know what the heck we’d do if we were both full time in the office. It’d be so many days off! Plus - when they have special events at school (thanksgiving potluck lunch, assemblies when the kids are singing, etc) one of us can almost always step away for an hour or two, using our lunch break or maybe working an hour after bedtime. If we were in the office all the time, we’d miss all that. So it’s be a huge logistical headache, decrease in our quality of life, decrease in the kids quality of life, cost more, and for what? Ugh. Luckily, neither of our companies are even considering RTO, so it’s a non-issue for us. |
I *do* work 40 hrs/week. That is the point. I used to do it 6:30 - 3:00 in office with kid in on-site daycare, and now I do it 8:00 - 5:00 (or later) with a 20 minute break to drive my ES kid somewhere in the afternoon. This is one of the variety if ways to make it work, but you don't like this specific thing because...? FWIW my availability is better now than when I was in office. |