RTO and No Childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

Well my kids’ elementary school doesn’t have sports teams. Rec level practices tend to be … after school with 1-2 practices/week. Times 2 kids that can be several days per week you need a parent around. And we let ours take at home music lessons 2x/month. I hardly consider a sport and an instrument overscheduled.

And I did build my life around this by taking a fed job that has allowed telework since before Obama. I guess before having kids I should have foreseen a reality show entertainer would take over our country and pimp it out to a couple deranged billionaires who want to destroy and de-regulate our government to pad their own investment accounts. But since I didn’t I guess I’ll have to look for more flexible/higher paying work in the private sector.

I don’t know why so many people are acting like WAH has been some recent COVID perk when it’s been around for a very long time. Getting “back to reality” by RTO 5 days per week is more draconian than many jobs were (including mine) 15 years ago.

Elementary school kids don’t need after school sports … they can do it on the weekend (just like when we were kids).

I think telework should be preserved but not on the grounds that kids have to be shuttled intensively to activities from the age of 5.

Well my DH and I were athletes growing up. Sports are important to us as our family prioritizes physical fitness. I don’t think playing a sport on the weekend is enough movement for kids.

Sure they can get that from running around with friends after school, which also … requires a parent nearby until they are older. There are also school projects to work on. And family dinner to prep. Or are these not important either?

I get some disgruntled people on this site love to hate on sports, but the reality is kids have to do *something* from school ending until bedtime and many are of an age that requires adult supervision.

I’m sorry that you think employees spending hours in traffic (bad for their health and their environment, but I digress) to sit in an office building typing on a computer and having Teams meetings with people in other offices so they can then spend their pay check to have someone else watch their kids after school just isn’t the ideal setup for our country.

if you prioritize all that - then you need to prioritize things like shortening your commute, choosing a smaller house/different schools, or flexing your hours. (I was also told that flexing hours was unacceptable.) I do absolutely run out of sympathy for people who are depending on Covid-era telework to forgo childcare.

I *did* do all these things! I live in a smaller older home that is walkable to metro, that was a short commute to my job (which was hybrid even prior to COVID). But now they got rid of our office building lease b/c COVID telework being so successful. If I have to go back? I have no idea where they would try to fit us (could very well be farther from my house). And as a fed I do have a flex work band. Even my coworkers in their 50s have had this flex band for hours. I don’t think it’s crazy to expect this would continue. And I don’t have “COVID-era” telework. I always had telework.

Suddenly having to go to an office 5 days per week that is likely not as short of a commute as my old office would have me significantly worse off than before COVID ever happened. This isn’t a proposed change to how we did things before and there is no business need to do so. It’s punitive and I think it’s reasonable for people like me to feel upset. And fwiw a lot of Feds are in a similar position. Telework was a recruitment tool prior to 2020 and agencies have done a lot of office downsizing over the past 4 years meaning people’s commutes will suddenly change.

So what’s the problem? You used to drive kids from 4-7 but now you have to work those hours? What does the place of work have to do with this dilemma which seems to be time related? If you’re shuttling kids around you’re not working either at home or in the office.

Oh wow, I didn’t think I had to explain this to you like a toddler, but apparently you can’t follow along.

Flex band means I can be done working by 4. Teleworking means fewer hours commuting.

Having more time in my day and being able to set my own hours means I can be with my kids from 4-7. I was never working in an office after 4 pm since becoming a mom over a decade ago.

You’re not coming across as very sympathetic. Assuming you would never have a commute was a bad assumption on your part.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

Well my kids’ elementary school doesn’t have sports teams. Rec level practices tend to be … after school with 1-2 practices/week. Times 2 kids that can be several days per week you need a parent around. And we let ours take at home music lessons 2x/month. I hardly consider a sport and an instrument overscheduled.

And I did build my life around this by taking a fed job that has allowed telework since before Obama. I guess before having kids I should have foreseen a reality show entertainer would take over our country and pimp it out to a couple deranged billionaires who want to destroy and de-regulate our government to pad their own investment accounts. But since I didn’t I guess I’ll have to look for more flexible/higher paying work in the private sector.

I don’t know why so many people are acting like WAH has been some recent COVID perk when it’s been around for a very long time. Getting “back to reality” by RTO 5 days per week is more draconian than many jobs were (including mine) 15 years ago.

Elementary school kids don’t need after school sports … they can do it on the weekend (just like when we were kids).

I think telework should be preserved but not on the grounds that kids have to be shuttled intensively to activities from the age of 5.

Well my DH and I were athletes growing up. Sports are important to us as our family prioritizes physical fitness. I don’t think playing a sport on the weekend is enough movement for kids.

Sure they can get that from running around with friends after school, which also … requires a parent nearby until they are older. There are also school projects to work on. And family dinner to prep. Or are these not important either?

I get some disgruntled people on this site love to hate on sports, but the reality is kids have to do *something* from school ending until bedtime and many are of an age that requires adult supervision.

I’m sorry that you think employees spending hours in traffic (bad for their health and their environment, but I digress) to sit in an office building typing on a computer and having Teams meetings with people in other offices so they can then spend their pay check to have someone else watch their kids after school just isn’t the ideal setup for our country.

if you prioritize all that - then you need to prioritize things like shortening your commute, choosing a smaller house/different schools, or flexing your hours. (I was also told that flexing hours was unacceptable.) I do absolutely run out of sympathy for people who are depending on Covid-era telework to forgo childcare.

I *did* do all these things! I live in a smaller older home that is walkable to metro, that was a short commute to my job (which was hybrid even prior to COVID). But now they got rid of our office building lease b/c COVID telework being so successful. If I have to go back? I have no idea where they would try to fit us (could very well be farther from my house). And as a fed I do have a flex work band. Even my coworkers in their 50s have had this flex band for hours. I don’t think it’s crazy to expect this would continue. And I don’t have “COVID-era” telework. I always had telework.

Suddenly having to go to an office 5 days per week that is likely not as short of a commute as my old office would have me significantly worse off than before COVID ever happened. This isn’t a proposed change to how we did things before and there is no business need to do so. It’s punitive and I think it’s reasonable for people like me to feel upset. And fwiw a lot of Feds are in a similar position. Telework was a recruitment tool prior to 2020 and agencies have done a lot of office downsizing over the past 4 years meaning people’s commutes will suddenly change.

So what’s the problem? You used to drive kids from 4-7 but now you have to work those hours? What does the place of work have to do with this dilemma which seems to be time related? If you’re shuttling kids around you’re not working either at home or in the office.

Oh wow, I didn’t think I had to explain this to you like a toddler, but apparently you can’t follow along.

Flex band means I can be done working by 4. Teleworking means fewer hours commuting.

Having more time in my day and being able to set my own hours means I can be with my kids from 4-7. I was never working in an office after 4 pm since becoming a mom over a decade ago.

DP. but up thread people were also complaining about flexing their hours as a way to manage childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Another reason why 1950s America was better.

The lifestyle was different in the 1950s allowing more families to live on one income. Houses were smaller. No dishwashers. Often no air conditioning, second car, dining out, vacations other than to their families. Fewer clothes, fewer things. Living on one income is still possible, but challenging in this area.

None of those things on your list make up the gap from one to two incomes. Smaller houses are still expensive. Cars and clothes are not why you need a second income.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for me is the 8-6 in office requirement. Right now, I work 8-5, pick up my kids, and then work a few more hours at home in the evening. Daycare closes at 6 and I have a 45 minute commute, so I'm not sure what I will go if the 8-6 requirement goes into effect.

Why do you have to work 10 hours in office?? Most work is 8-4 or 9-5.

I do think we need stricter hour protections to make sure employers aren’t demanding 50 hour weeks while paying 40 hour week wages

+1

We have these protections, it’s called the Fair Labor Standards Act. DOGE can spout off a million ideas but we all know they will end up grabbing the low-hanging fruit, which doesn’t include expanding the basic workweek beyond 40 hours.

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In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

So prioritize what's important to you ... but not a job with WFH that makes the rest of your schedule possible and more pleasant. Choose jobs with flexible schedules or go part time ... but don't be full time 9-5 with WFH, that's entitled.

Do you hear yourselves?

I think what peeves me the most about the holier-than-thou lecturing is the assumption you thought of something I didn't. My middle schooler is in an alternative school without a bus or aftercare or these mythical school sports you speak of. We have two more years till she can walk to HS, something we planned for when we chose our house. Both DH and I worked from home before covid, something we negotiated - with accompanying pay cuts and limited promotion opportunities - to make this school work. Nobody in my house does travel sports, we just want to be able to get our kid to school in the morning, pick her up after, help with homework, and have dinner together at 6:00. But sure, tell me more about how I'm unreasonable and spoiled for not "prioritizing what's important to me" when I make career and childcare decisions.

I mean yes - planning to have to FT working parents but never have after school child care is entitled. Sorry!

DP but why? Why is wanting to spend afternoon with your kids and being home in time to cook dinner for your family more “entitled” than things like expecting to have good health insurance options, deciding you need a certain level of pay for the job to be worth your time, negotiating for things like transit benefits, expecting paid PTO, etc.?

The only difference is that telework has allowed many women (who were historically home with kids) to join the full time workforce. It’s internalized misogyny telling you that *this* is the thing that employees are entitled for wanting.

I don’t know what to tell you. 40 hrs/week is a standard schedule. there are a variety of ways to make it work and generally they involve paying for childcare.

Yes and for many many years, well before 2020, I made it work with telework. (And did pay for childcare when prior to them being school aged and I do still pay for summer camps, so I do pay for childcare during the hours I work).

There is no business reason for my working hours or location to change except for some billionaires who a) have personal financial interest in boosting the commercial real estate market and b) want to cause chaos to weaken government to their personal benefit.

I think it’s really weird actually that you are cheerleading these billionaire interests over wanting a better quality of life for working parents. But you’re entitled to your priorities …

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Anonymous wrote:In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

No one will quit. People were paying for this before 2020, they will pay for it again.

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No. I always had paid childcare until my child was towards the end of 5th grade, and could stay at home alone and occupy himself for a few hours.

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Anonymous wrote:In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

No one will quit. People were paying for this before 2020, they will pay for it again.

True. but they will decide to have no kids or fewer kids… which I thought that conservatives were really concerned about?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

Well my kids’ elementary school doesn’t have sports teams. Rec level practices tend to be … after school with 1-2 practices/week. Times 2 kids that can be several days per week you need a parent around. And we let ours take at home music lessons 2x/month. I hardly consider a sport and an instrument overscheduled.

And I did build my life around this by taking a fed job that has allowed telework since before Obama. I guess before having kids I should have foreseen a reality show entertainer would take over our country and pimp it out to a couple deranged billionaires who want to destroy and de-regulate our government to pad their own investment accounts. But since I didn’t I guess I’ll have to look for more flexible/higher paying work in the private sector.

I don’t know why so many people are acting like WAH has been some recent COVID perk when it’s been around for a very long time. Getting “back to reality” by RTO 5 days per week is more draconian than many jobs were (including mine) 15 years ago.

Elementary school kids don’t need after school sports … they can do it on the weekend (just like when we were kids).

I think telework should be preserved but not on the grounds that kids have to be shuttled intensively to activities from the age of 5.

And there have been assertions that responding to a few trans messages while shuttling kids around between 2-5 is equivalent to sitting at a desk creating a PowerPoint or the equivalent, but we’re all adults and we all know the difference between the two. And occasionally needing to shuttle your kids around for a few hours during the workday may be inevitable but having that as your day to day is really ethically dubious if you are saying you are working.

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Anonymous wrote:In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

No one will quit. People were paying for this before 2020, they will pay for it again.

You don’t think some people will quit or move away over a 40% increase in childcare costs, a housing boom that has made living close to work increasingly expensive, and a general increase in life stress due to commuting?

Many fed employees are like GS9 level and living outside the beltway. Ever increasing daycare bills and commuting costs may very well cause them to decide this isn’t financially worth it anymore. But you don’t really care if they get pushed out of the workforce do you?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

Well my kids’ elementary school doesn’t have sports teams. Rec level practices tend to be … after school with 1-2 practices/week. Times 2 kids that can be several days per week you need a parent around. And we let ours take at home music lessons 2x/month. I hardly consider a sport and an instrument overscheduled.

And I did build my life around this by taking a fed job that has allowed telework since before Obama. I guess before having kids I should have foreseen a reality show entertainer would take over our country and pimp it out to a couple deranged billionaires who want to destroy and de-regulate our government to pad their own investment accounts. But since I didn’t I guess I’ll have to look for more flexible/higher paying work in the private sector.

I don’t know why so many people are acting like WAH has been some recent COVID perk when it’s been around for a very long time. Getting “back to reality” by RTO 5 days per week is more draconian than many jobs were (including mine) 15 years ago.

Elementary school kids don’t need after school sports … they can do it on the weekend (just like when we were kids).

I think telework should be preserved but not on the grounds that kids have to be shuttled intensively to activities from the age of 5.

And there have been assertions that responding to a few trans messages while shuttling kids around between 2-5 is equivalent to sitting at a desk creating a PowerPoint or the equivalent, but we’re all adults and we all know the difference between the two. And occasionally needing to shuttle your kids around for a few hours during the workday may be inevitable but having that as your day to day is really ethically dubious if you are saying you are working.

*meant teams messages

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Anonymous wrote:In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

No one will quit. People were paying for this before 2020, they will pay for it again.

You don’t think some people will quit or move away over a 40% increase in childcare costs, a housing boom that has made living close to work increasingly expensive, and a general increase in life stress due to commuting?

Many fed employees are like GS9 level and living outside the beltway. Ever increasing daycare bills and commuting costs may very well cause them to decide this isn’t financially worth it anymore. But you don’t really care if they get pushed out of the workforce do you?

Heyo, would have been nice if the Democrats in charge of local government hadn’t imposed zoning and other restrictions that resulted in skyrocketing housing costs and had focused on better transit and improving schools inside the beltway. NONE of that was a priority. DOGE takes blame for being hostile and ridiculous; but the practical and financial difficulties of living in this region are 100% Democrat made.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you bragging about how you don’t do stuff with your kids after school and how you spent plenty of childcare money/hours in traffic and bent over backwards to be in an office because your boss said so with one parent getting home late … this isn’t the flex you think it is.

To quote Varsity Blues: “I don’t want your life.”

Look, I don’t want FT RTO either. But the fact is you do need to plan your life, and it’s not a foregone conclusion that all parents need to dedicate all this time to after school activities. It’s not even clearly good for kids. Women placing these expectations on themselves (and it’s generally women) are going to drive themselves crazy. Your kid does not need to do travel soccer. They can do the school sports team and get themselves to and from there.

But if your vision IS that you spend from 4-7 shuttling your kid around, then yes, you need a better plan than perpetual FT WFH especially if you are a fed. Set your life up so you can prioritize what’s important to you. That may mean you and your DH flex in opposite directions, choosing a more modest home with a shorter commute, one parent going PT, or investing in childcare.

Well my kids’ elementary school doesn’t have sports teams. Rec level practices tend to be … after school with 1-2 practices/week. Times 2 kids that can be several days per week you need a parent around. And we let ours take at home music lessons 2x/month. I hardly consider a sport and an instrument overscheduled.

And I did build my life around this by taking a fed job that has allowed telework since before Obama. I guess before having kids I should have foreseen a reality show entertainer would take over our country and pimp it out to a couple deranged billionaires who want to destroy and de-regulate our government to pad their own investment accounts. But since I didn’t I guess I’ll have to look for more flexible/higher paying work in the private sector.

I don’t know why so many people are acting like WAH has been some recent COVID perk when it’s been around for a very long time. Getting “back to reality” by RTO 5 days per week is more draconian than many jobs were (including mine) 15 years ago.

Elementary school kids don’t need after school sports … they can do it on the weekend (just like when we were kids).

I think telework should be preserved but not on the grounds that kids have to be shuttled intensively to activities from the age of 5.

And there have been assertions that responding to a few trans messages while shuttling kids around between 2-5 is equivalent to sitting at a desk creating a PowerPoint or the equivalent, but we’re all adults and we all know the difference between the two. And occasionally needing to shuttle your kids around for a few hours during the workday may be inevitable but having that as your day to day is really ethically dubious if you are saying you are working.

I didn’t see many (if any) people saying they’re driving their kids all about town starting at 2 PM while pretending to be working. This is such a mischaracterization of this thread.

People were saying they’d be able to manage things better because they don’t have to commute after work, or can start work early, or flex out and wrap up later.

There is 0% chance people at my job could just disappear for 3 hours every day to shuttle kids around and no one would notice.

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Anonymous wrote:In 2021, I had two kids in childcare. $600 per week. Now I have one. $500 per week.

People will have to quit. My bet is that is the design of the thing. There are fewer childcare spots now. I would be bullish on an expanded child tax credit, but I bet it doesn’t happen, rhetoric about family values aside.

No one will quit. People were paying for this before 2020, they will pay for it again.

You don’t think some people will quit or move away over a 40% increase in childcare costs, a housing boom that has made living close to work increasingly expensive, and a general increase in life stress due to commuting?

Many fed employees are like GS9 level and living outside the beltway. Ever increasing daycare bills and commuting costs may very well cause them to decide this isn’t financially worth it anymore. But you don’t really care if they get pushed out of the workforce do you?

Heyo, would have been nice if the Democrats in charge of local government hadn’t imposed zoning and other restrictions that resulted in skyrocketing housing costs and had focused on better transit and improving schools inside the beltway. NONE of that was a priority. DOGE takes blame for being hostile and ridiculous; but the practical and financial difficulties of living in this region are 100% Democrat made.

Are you really saying dem politicians haven’t tried to loosen zoning regulations and invest in public transit? Because I live in Arlington the home of Missing Middle and the “car diet” so I’d like to disagree. Not saying they handled those well, but let’s not act like republicans are this bastion of trying to make the DC area a better place for the middle class.

Also Musk and Ramaswamy aren’t even part of the government. What qualifications do they even have to make any of these suggestions? And why are we ignoring their significant conflicts of interest and stated intentions to basically burn it all down.