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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

+1 I do see how the lock-bags could be challenging in HS since teachers have learned to integrate phones into some classes. But away in some kind of docking station every time you come into class is 100% reasonable for HS. I will be interested to see how the Wakefield pilot goes with removing them completely.

And the lock-bags should be used throughout the middle schools. The data shows the phones are most detrimental in the early teen years. And you don't have the varied arrival/departure times/off campus lunch issues in MS.

I do think off and in your backpack is reasonable for high school BUT ONLY IF the kids follow the rules and teachers and admin actually implement consequences for not. That's been the problem - and that's why we resort to pilot programs locking them in bags for the entire day. Also, I would support the off and away policy IF it also applied to lunch period. Much of it for me is the lack of social skills development (especially those coming up during COVID who are developmentally behind socially) and the lack of engagement with each other permeating society -- adults just as much, if not more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I gave my son a phone last year in 6th grade to be able to call me after school ended (no land line) because he was walking home to an empty house. Stipulation--it must stay in his backpack in his locker all day. I thought THAT was the rule for APS middle school but apparently many kids carried their phones around all day and some even left classes to text or watch YouTube in the restrooms.

Yesterday, son told me that his friend was listening to music with airpods during class period while working on exercises and the teacher allowed it! And son's friend gave him an airpod to listen as well. WTF? (I told him never again.)

Yes, my high schooler uses their phone to listen to music during "classwork time" because other kids are talking instead of doing their work and it's distracting. Apparently there's no enforcement of doing individual work during non-lecture time, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I gave my son a phone last year in 6th grade to be able to call me after school ended (no land line) because he was walking home to an empty house. Stipulation--it must stay in his backpack in his locker all day. I thought THAT was the rule for APS middle school but apparently many kids carried their phones around all day and some even left classes to text or watch YouTube in the restrooms.

Yesterday, son told me that his friend was listening to music with airpods during class period while working on exercises and the teacher allowed it! And son's friend gave him an airpod to listen as well. WTF? (I told him never again.)

Yes, my high schooler uses their phone to listen to music during "classwork time" because other kids are talking instead of doing their work and it's distracting. Apparently there's no enforcement of doing individual work during non-lecture time, either.

Easy fix, don’t have classwork instead keep doing instruction and interactive discussions, and then send classwork as homework

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

did you give your own kids a phone? at what age?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”