APS Current cell phones reality

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Just what is it you're waiting to hear? The problem has been noted countless times: kids distracted, not engaged in class, teachers spending too much time policing and not teaching, etc. If you haven't heard how this proposal will help, you're just not listening - no phones, no more phone distractions, far less teacher policing. That not being "convincing" enough for you indicates that you just don't believe it's a problem and should absolutely not be addressed by banning phones. There is no convincing someone with that attitude and lack of open mindedness.

ok so if the problem is distraction in class then can you explain why APS is locking phones in pouches for the ENTIRE day in some schools and not allowing them out between classes?

Because it's a pilot program that offers insight into potential benefits of zero phones v. phones availabe during "non-instructional" time.
Because it eliminates ambiguities and arguments around "non-instructional" time within a class period (ie, "individual work time" or teacher not actively lecturing time)
Because it's easier than having to wait for everyone to put their phones away at the beginning of every single class.
Because it eliminates time wasted at the beginning of every class while students "finish up just for a second" what they're doing and getting their phones put away.
Because it keeps minds focused on school and not on what's going on in the online world.
Because it eliminates needless fake restroom breaks so students can use their phones during class by leaving class and thereby not being under the restriction.
Because it also addresses the secondary issue of social interaction and social skills development, engaging with each other face-to-face.

Now, answer my question. What is it you're waiting to hear other than what aligns with your current personal position?

these assumptions are HILARIOUS. This isn't how it worked out at all.

Harder, not easier.
More time wasted, not less.
etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Just what is it you're waiting to hear? The problem has been noted countless times: kids distracted, not engaged in class, teachers spending too much time policing and not teaching, etc. If you haven't heard how this proposal will help, you're just not listening - no phones, no more phone distractions, far less teacher policing. That not being "convincing" enough for you indicates that you just don't believe it's a problem and should absolutely not be addressed by banning phones. There is no convincing someone with that attitude and lack of open mindedness.

ok so if the problem is distraction in class then can you explain why APS is locking phones in pouches for the ENTIRE day in some schools and not allowing them out between classes?

Because it's a pilot program that offers insight into potential benefits of zero phones v. phones availabe during "non-instructional" time.
Because it eliminates ambiguities and arguments around "non-instructional" time within a class period (ie, "individual work time" or teacher not actively lecturing time)
Because it's easier than having to wait for everyone to put their phones away at the beginning of every single class.
Because it eliminates time wasted at the beginning of every class while students "finish up just for a second" what they're doing and getting their phones put away.
Because it keeps minds focused on school and not on what's going on in the online world.
Because it eliminates needless fake restroom breaks so students can use their phones during class by leaving class and thereby not being under the restriction.
Because it also addresses the secondary issue of social interaction and social skills development, engaging with each other face-to-face.

Now, answer my question. What is it you're waiting to hear other than what aligns with your current personal position?

these assumptions are HILARIOUS. This isn't how it worked out at all.

Harder, not easier.
More time wasted, not less.
etc etc

Says who? Based on what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Just what is it you're waiting to hear? The problem has been noted countless times: kids distracted, not engaged in class, teachers spending too much time policing and not teaching, etc. If you haven't heard how this proposal will help, you're just not listening - no phones, no more phone distractions, far less teacher policing. That not being "convincing" enough for you indicates that you just don't believe it's a problem and should absolutely not be addressed by banning phones. There is no convincing someone with that attitude and lack of open mindedness.

ok so if the problem is distraction in class then can you explain why APS is locking phones in pouches for the ENTIRE day in some schools and not allowing them out between classes?

Because it's a pilot program that offers insight into potential benefits of zero phones v. phones availabe during "non-instructional" time.
Because it eliminates ambiguities and arguments around "non-instructional" time within a class period (ie, "individual work time" or teacher not actively lecturing time)
Because it's easier than having to wait for everyone to put their phones away at the beginning of every single class.
Because it eliminates time wasted at the beginning of every class while students "finish up just for a second" what they're doing and getting their phones put away.
Because it keeps minds focused on school and not on what's going on in the online world.
Because it eliminates needless fake restroom breaks so students can use their phones during class by leaving class and thereby not being under the restriction.
Because it also addresses the secondary issue of social interaction and social skills development, engaging with each other face-to-face.

Now, answer my question. What is it you're waiting to hear other than what aligns with your current personal position?

these assumptions are HILARIOUS. This isn't how it worked out at all.

Harder, not easier.
More time wasted, not less.
etc etc

Says who? Based on what?

She's probably self-reporting her parenting load. Kid's complaining more at home so less time to spend whining on numerous threads on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.

Rich coming from the pro cell phone ban troll who illogically thinks banning cell phones is simple and solves all problems

[Anonymous]

Hell must have frozen over. AEA signed a letter with APE to ban cell phones.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/11/25/aps-teachers-union-advocacy-group-urge-away-for-the-day-phone-policy/

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.

I think you read this wrong. The student isn't complaining anymore because no one is using the pouches and no one is enforcing the pouch rules anymore. Hence nothing to complain about. Schools just quietly are not enforcing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hell must have frozen over. AEA signed a letter with APE to ban cell phones.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/11/25/aps-teachers-union-advocacy-group-urge-away-for-the-day-phone-policy/

Lobbyists lobby. APE are lobbyists. Maybe they shared some of their secret dark money with JP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hell must have frozen over. AEA signed a letter with APE to ban cell phones.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/11/25/aps-teachers-union-advocacy-group-urge-away-for-the-day-phone-policy/

Lobbyists lobby. APE are lobbyists. Maybe they shared some of their secret dark money with JP.

And they spread it to 160 Wakefield teachers!

[Anonymous]

I heard most of the Wakefield teachers signed a petition to keep the pouches.

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.

I think you read this wrong. The student isn't complaining anymore because no one is using the pouches and no one is enforcing the pouch rules anymore. Hence nothing to complain about. Schools just quietly are not enforcing.

Do you have a student at a school using pouches? I do, and they are being used, and it’s going fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.

I think you read this wrong. The student isn't complaining anymore because no one is using the pouches and no one is enforcing the pouch rules anymore. Hence nothing to complain about. Schools just quietly are not enforcing.

Do you have a student at a school using pouches? I do, and they are being used, and it’s going fine.

yes I have a student at a pouch school, and this isn't our experience. Most kids are not using them, and it's still going fine. Cell phones are not that big of a problem.