Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Wow. Reading this makes clear that Trump is not a Christian, not by a long shot. Thanks PP!

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. All good morals.

I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

Religious freedom means the government treats all religions equally. What is happening in Louisiana is the opposite of that.

LA is using (I think) the 10 commandments as a foundational historical document.

Foundational historical document to what? Not to the founding of the United States. The Ten Commandments are also not foundational to US law. The Constitution does not reference or enshrine the 10 Commandments in any way. Nor do US statutes or treaties. Nor does US Common Law, which came from colonial-era English Common Law which is about specific cases, not an enshrinement of the 10 Commandments. Only three of the 10 Commandments are generally even part of US laws, those being Murder, Theft and Perjury.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. All good morals.

I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

I never said anything about taking away the freedom to practice your religion. I fail to see how practicing your religion involves making laws that govern MY behavior or my freedom FROM your religion.

The right has always had a hard time understanding the concept that your rights end where mine begin. Do you and leave me alone. When your religion starts to affect me and mine, you're damn right I have a problem with it.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. All good morals.

I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

I never said anything about taking away the freedom to practice your religion. I fail to see how practicing your religion involves making laws that govern MY behavior or my freedom FROM your religion.

The right has always had a hard time understanding the concept that your rights end where mine begin. Do you and leave me alone. When your religion starts to affect me and mine, you're damn right I have a problem with it.

So you live in Louisiana and your children attend public school?

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

The bolded is why the 10 commandments should not be posted in public buildings.

Get it?

They don't. They're literally incapable of considering other people and their perspectives. The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

You'd better go and notify every self-professed conservative Christian that Christianity doesn't teach those things, because they are DEFINITELY guilty of those things. They overwhelmingly vote for people who slash funding and support for the sick and the poor and the elderly. They overwhelmingly vote for people who want to cast out refugees. Many of them follow the "prosperity gospel" of greed as can be seen with the rise of megachurches like Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, John Hagee, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen. You can call it "rude" all you like but I am STATING ABSOLUTE FACTS. You're in delusional denial if you don't think any of this is real or happening - and you're kidding yourself if you don't that a large number of Americans like myself don't know this to be the case.

You are not stating absolute facts. You are stating your opinion, which you are entitled to both believe and state. That does not make your opinion fact. If you think your opinion about religion is fact, then that’s a you problem.

The PP you are replying to is, in fact, stating facts. You might be in denial about those facts, but what she posted is the truth. Perhaps you should do some research into what she wrote to validate or disprove it.

No. I know the anti-theists are out in force posting their opinions and agreeing with other anti-theist posters posts, but just because you all have the same opinion, doesn’t make other people’s opinions invalid. I don’t need to prove anyone’s opinion wrong, nor do I want to. People are allowed to have their own opinions. I don’t think I have to force everyone to agree with me. You should understand that and adopt that attitude. It’s really important to accept that other people will think differently than you and have different opinions than you do.

You have the right to read and pray to the Bible.
You don't have the right to post parts of the Bible in a public school.

This shouldn't be hard.

Would you be ok with excerpts of the Qoran or Buddhist writings on the walls?

People don’t pray to the Bible. They pray to God.

I don’t control l any state’s law. I don’t control state law regarding religion or educational issues. If my district/state said to put x, y, and z posters up, I would do so. LA passed a law about displaying the 10 Commandments. It’s not up to individual teachers to make decisions like that, or to pick and choose which laws they follow. I don’t think you understand how tightly regulated everything regarding education is, in most states.

Lordy you would have made a great German on the 1930’s!!

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

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I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

I never said anything about taking away the freedom to practice your religion. I fail to see how practicing your religion involves making laws that govern MY behavior or my freedom FROM your religion.

The right has always had a hard time understanding the concept that your rights end where mine begin. Do you and leave me alone. When your religion starts to affect me and mine, you're damn right I have a problem with it.

So you live in Louisiana and your children attend public school?

What is your argument? That only people that live in Louisiana with kids in public school are allowed to care about this? Do you have the same energy for abortion? What does what happens in my doctors office to my body have to do with you?

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

The majority of the minority? That's some pretzel logic right there.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. All good morals.

I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

The Founding Fathers founded this country on a concept of freedom of religion which means a.) there is no state religion and the state can not and should not push religion on people, b.) you are free to practice your religion and c.) I am free to NOT have YOUR religion pushed on me.

You are free to practice your religion at your home, your business, your church et cetera. But you are NOT free to use taxpayer-funded schools, government offices and similar spaces to proselytize others.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

You'd better go and notify every self-professed conservative Christian that Christianity doesn't teach those things, because they are DEFINITELY guilty of those things. They overwhelmingly vote for people who slash funding and support for the sick and the poor and the elderly. They overwhelmingly vote for people who want to cast out refugees. Many of them follow the "prosperity gospel" of greed as can be seen with the rise of megachurches like Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, John Hagee, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen. You can call it "rude" all you like but I am STATING ABSOLUTE FACTS. You're in delusional denial if you don't think any of this is real or happening - and you're kidding yourself if you don't that a large number of Americans like myself don't know this to be the case.

You are not stating absolute facts. You are stating your opinion, which you are entitled to both believe and state. That does not make your opinion fact. If you think your opinion about religion is fact, then that’s a you problem.

The PP you are replying to is, in fact, stating facts. You might be in denial about those facts, but what she posted is the truth. Perhaps you should do some research into what she wrote to validate or disprove it.

No. I know the anti-theists are out in force posting their opinions and agreeing with other anti-theist posters posts, but just because you all have the same opinion, doesn’t make other people’s opinions invalid. I don’t need to prove anyone’s opinion wrong, nor do I want to. People are allowed to have their own opinions. I don’t think I have to force everyone to agree with me. You should understand that and adopt that attitude. It’s really important to accept that other people will think differently than you and have different opinions than you do.

You have the right to read and pray to the Bible.
You don't have the right to post parts of the Bible in a public school.

This shouldn't be hard.

Would you be ok with excerpts of the Qoran or Buddhist writings on the walls?

People don’t pray to the Bible. They pray to God.

I don’t control l any state’s law. I don’t control state law regarding religion or educational issues. If my district/state said to put x, y, and z posters up, I would do so. LA passed a law about displaying the 10 Commandments. It’s not up to individual teachers to make decisions like that, or to pick and choose which laws they follow. I don’t think you understand how tightly regulated everything regarding education is, in most states.

Lordy you would have made a great German on the 1930’s!!

You are so right. I am going to sell my house and move to Louisiana. Then I can fight this law with everything I possess. I can’t sit by a morph into a literal Nazï by living in another state and personally allowing Louisiana’s state legislature to pass their own laws! Thank you pp, I won’t let you guys down.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

The majority of the minority? That's some pretzel logic right there.

Huh? What majority of minority? Nobody said that, and even if they did what's your argument against the premise here? You're still confused.

Most Americans who identify as Christian don't think we need things like the Ten Commandments in schools. It's only the ones who identify as conservative Christians that do. And most Americans who identify as conservative Christian vote Republican. Those are simple, straight-forward statements. If they confuse you then all I have for you is a smile and letting you know your lingering confusion is entirely a "you" problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

The majority of the minority? That's some pretzel logic right there.

Huh? What majority of minority? Nobody said that, and even if they did what's your argument against the premise here? You're still confused.

Most Americans who identify as Christian don't think we need things like the Ten Commandments in schools. It's only the ones who identify as conservative Christians that do. And most Americans who identify as conservative Christian vote Republican. Those are simple, straight-forward statements. If they confuse you then all I have for you is a smile and letting you know your lingering confusion is entirely a "you" problem.

The majority of Christians vote republican. That is well established.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/08/30/most-white-americans-who-regularly-attend-worship-services-voted-for-trump-in-2020/

So you are saying "The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically" (i.e. the minority of Christians) "ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. "

That's the pretzel logic.

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Anonymous wrote:There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. All good morals.

I knew this post was coming...

It is immaterial what you think about the Ten Commandments. We do not live in a theocracy governed by one religion. If you want your kid to be surrounded by biblical teachings, then enroll him/her in a religious school.

So not killing people and not lying and not stealing are religious teachings?

It's all good. Print them and put them up everywhere! I can't believe they weren't put up sooner. I look forward to when the commandments appear in all schools and public buildings in my state. We need to show everyone who we are: a Christian nation.

Except the 1st Amendment clearly states that we are not a Christian nation. If you want a Christian nation, go create one. Only problem is that you'll actually have to act like a Christian is so-said nation.

Well you can teach your children the Ten Commandments are shameful and that they are free to do everything the Ten Commandments says not to do, with pride. Problem solved.

Where do you get that anyone is saying the Ten Commandments are shameful?

No one is saying that.

Actually someone said that and claimed the 10 commandments were written by a bunch of drunk guys. The moderator deleted the post but not the quote.

Someone feels very strongly that their children not be shamed into not murdering or lying or stealing.

You know darn well they are not talking about the secular laws (that also happen to be commandments) against murder, fraud, and theft. They are talking about worshipping a particular god, not having idols (some religions do and those are allowed to be practiced in the United States of America), and keeping holy a particular faith's sabbath, even though they may be of a faith with a different or no sabbath.

In any case, this is clearly unconstitutional and won't last.

That’s your opinion. I hope it lasts, because I work in a school and the students are being failed by their parents grievously. It’s truly sad.

How will slapping something on the wall in your classroom help your students, or their parents?

Are you an educator? Please, if you are not, get your teaching degree and certification and help teach kids. There’s a massive teacher shortage. It would be great for people like you to enter the classroom and help educate kids.

DP... That TOTALLY didn't answer the question. Again, how exactly will slapping a poster of the Ten Commandments help students?

How does it hurt?

By making kids who believe in different religions or no religion feel like outsiders.

I would love to see the reactions from the MAGAs if a Hindu teacher put up the Yamas and Niyamas in her classroom. Or better, if a Muslim teacher posted some quotes from the Quran.

Because the 10 Commandments are only for Christians, non-Christian people will feel like outsiders because they believe murder, theft, lying, etc, should not be forbidden?

The substance of the commandments is not what is at issue here. It's the idea that your book of fairytales should not only be treated as fact, but that everyone must be governed by it, despite the fact that our country was founded on religious freedom. The Bible has been used to justify countless atrocities. It has no place in a public classroom aside from studying it as a curiosity of history and literature.

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, 'the books') is a collection of religious texts or scriptures, some, all, or a variant of which are held to be sacred in Christianity, Judaism, Samaritanism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith, and other Abrahamic religions. The Bible is an anthology (a compilation of texts of a variety of forms) originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek. These texts include instructions, stories, poetry, and prophecies, among other genres. The collection of materials that are accepted as part of the Bible by a particular religious tradition or community is called a biblical canon. Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text varies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

No secular educational institution teaches that the Bible is a book of fairy tales. They define it as wikipedia does above. You don’t have to believe the Bible, but you are being disrespectful, as many other people do believe the Bible. Show respect for the beliefs of others. Your beliefs are not made better or stronger because you disparage and mock the beliefs of other people.

I'm not going to show respect to Christofascists. People that keep their religion to themselves, where it belongs, don't get mocked. It's the ones who won't shut up about it and who want to turn it into governing law that are rightfully being mocked and disparaged. And I'm going to do it until the madness ceases, so buckle up.

Well. You are anti-American, because America was founded on religious freedom. Americans don’t have to “keep their religion to themselves. “ That is something you want Americans to do, because you are an anti-theist who hates religion and believes it is bad, but that’s not at all what our laws support. You need to move to an atheist country that has state mandated atheism if you would like to live in a religion free country. You will not be able to experience a life that is free from other Americans expressing their religion, just because you hate religion.

Really, what do you expect? For your personal hatred of religion to affect the rights of other Americans to freely practice their religion?

You are displaying the same intolerance and contempt towards people that you say Christians display, but I don’t see a single a Christian here displaying any intolerance to non-religious posters or posters with different religions.

I highlighted your anti-American statement. If you don’t like people having personal freedoms, you are really living in the wrong country. That’s a you problem.

The Founding Fathers founded this country on a concept of freedom of religion which means a.) there is no state religion and the state can not and should not push religion on people, b.) you are free to practice your religion and c.) I am free to NOT have YOUR religion pushed on me.

You are free to practice your religion at your home, your business, your church et cetera. But you are NOT free to use taxpayer-funded schools, government offices and similar spaces to proselytize others.

Anti-theist stay at home moms/ unemployed neets always fancy themselves constitutional scholars.

You sound both misogynist and elitist. Not following those 10 commandments very well now are ya.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

You'd better go and notify every self-professed conservative Christian that Christianity doesn't teach those things, because they are DEFINITELY guilty of those things. They overwhelmingly vote for people who slash funding and support for the sick and the poor and the elderly. They overwhelmingly vote for people who want to cast out refugees. Many of them follow the "prosperity gospel" of greed as can be seen with the rise of megachurches like Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Franklin Graham, John Hagee, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen. You can call it "rude" all you like but I am STATING ABSOLUTE FACTS. You're in delusional denial if you don't think any of this is real or happening - and you're kidding yourself if you don't that a large number of Americans like myself don't know this to be the case.

You are not stating absolute facts. You are stating your opinion, which you are entitled to both believe and state. That does not make your opinion fact. If you think your opinion about religion is fact, then that’s a you problem.

The PP you are replying to is, in fact, stating facts. You might be in denial about those facts, but what she posted is the truth. Perhaps you should do some research into what she wrote to validate or disprove it.

No. I know the anti-theists are out in force posting their opinions and agreeing with other anti-theist posters posts, but just because you all have the same opinion, doesn’t make other people’s opinions invalid. I don’t need to prove anyone’s opinion wrong, nor do I want to. People are allowed to have their own opinions. I don’t think I have to force everyone to agree with me. You should understand that and adopt that attitude. It’s really important to accept that other people will think differently than you and have different opinions than you do.

You have the right to read and pray to the Bible.
You don't have the right to post parts of the Bible in a public school.

This shouldn't be hard.

Would you be ok with excerpts of the Qoran or Buddhist writings on the walls?

People don’t pray to the Bible. They pray to God.

I don’t control l any state’s law. I don’t control state law regarding religion or educational issues. If my district/state said to put x, y, and z posters up, I would do so. LA passed a law about displaying the 10 Commandments. It’s not up to individual teachers to make decisions like that, or to pick and choose which laws they follow. I don’t think you understand how tightly regulated everything regarding education is, in most states.

Lordy you would have made a great German on the 1930’s!!

You are so right. I am going to sell my house and move to Louisiana. Then I can fight this law with everything I possess. I can’t sit by a morph into a literal Nazï by living in another state and personally allowing Louisiana’s state legislature to pass their own laws! Thank you pp, I won’t let you guys down.

Some of you are so unbelievably stupid and unhinged. There's no consistent logic to your thinking. You're like sheep just mindlessly moving from one thing to another, wherever you're led, loudly bleating nonsense, scared of your friggin shadow.

There’s that famous anti-theist love/tolerance. My opinion is that posters who call other posters names and insult their intelligence probably aren’t good people, no matter what their religion is or isn’t. People who act like that are just unpleasant and not able to talk about issues rationally. The first person who loses their temper or calls names in a discussion, loses.