Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

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Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson backs the Ten Commandments mandate. His comments provide some insight into where some of the GOP hopes the policy goes and what it's based on.


Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.

What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”

Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/

Establishing Christianity as the state religion has been the GOP’s goal for as long as they have enfolded the evangelicals in their party. And here they are, establishing a state religion.

And not just any Christianity. Evangelical Protestant Christianity. None of that pagan Catholic or Orthodox nonsense. Definitely not Mormonism which isn’t even Christian. Or Jehovah’s Witnesses.
—signed; the GOP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mike Johnson backs the Ten Commandments mandate. His comments provide some insight into where some of the GOP hopes the policy goes and what it's based on.


Johnson speculated about the incentives of his former colleagues in passing the legislation.
“The intent behind it is that they’re trying to acknowledge our history and tradition in the country. I mean, obviously, the Ten Commandments have a huge impact, and they’re very important in the development of our – well, of all of Western civilization, but certainly of our country. And I think that’s what they had in mind,” Johnson said.

What the Louisiana legislature is trying to do – those are my old colleagues down there, I know what they’re up to – they’re trying to reemphasize the importance of that foundational part of our country, and that should be permissible,” he later added. “It’s not an establishment of religion. It’s not. They’re not trying to enforce any particular religious code. They’re just saying this is part of the history and tradition.”

Johnson, however, noted he used to litigate similar cases, and said he expects the case ultimately to make its way to the Supreme Court, where he expects the ACLU to ultimately fail. He pointed to a similar case from the 1980s, Marsh v. Chambers, in which the court upheld the practice of starting legislative session with a legislative prayer, noting it “is deeply embedded in the history and tradition of our country.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4742235-louisiana-ten-commandments-law/

Establishing Christianity as the state religion has been the GOP’s goal for as long as they have enfolded the evangelicals in their party. And here they are, establishing a state religion.

Do as I say, not as I do.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.

The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics.

No. No no no no no no no. The founding fathers explicitly avoided doing that. They certainly could have and there certainly were those who wanted it. But they purposefully did not do that in the constitution. Read your history. You could not be more wrong.

You fundamentally do not understand ethics, culture, governance, and society. Not only the US but all of western civilization has emerged from Christian values and morality.

As an atheist, I agree with you that I do not particularly want to see the 10 commandments in schools. However ignorance of the foundation of the moral, legal, and ethical foundations of our society is profoundly foolish and dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.

The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics.

No. No no no no no no no. The founding fathers explicitly avoided doing that. They certainly could have and there certainly were those who wanted it. But they purposefully did not do that in the constitution. Read your history. You could not be more wrong.

You fundamentally do not understand ethics, culture, governance, and society. Not only the US but all of western civilization has emerged from Christian values and morality.

As an atheist, I agree with you that I do not particularly want to see the 10 commandments in schools. However ignorance of the foundation of the moral, legal, and ethical foundations of our society is profoundly foolish and dangerous.

Wrong. All of western civilization emerged from Paganism since our government is modeled on Greek ideals.

“A U.S. state resembles the community structure of an ancient Greek polis, or city-state. A polis was composed of an urban center and the land surrounding it, developments similar to that of the major cities and state capitals in the United States and the rural areas surrounding them. In ancient Greece, some of the main city-states were Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, and Syracuse. These city-states acted independently for the most part. However, sometimes they engaged in war against each other. They also banded together to defend Greece from foreign invaders.

All Greek city-states had sets of rules by which the people lived in observance and laws they were required to obey. In ancient Greece the idea of rule of law came from the philosopher Aristotle’s belief in natural law. He claimed the existence of a higher justice in nature—certain essential rights—that superseded the laws written by humans. Aristotle believed that people should align themselves with this natural law and govern by its ethics.”

Paganism is the origin of western civilization, not Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.

The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics. It's okay for us to promote our cultural heritage. Other nations do.

No one is banning graven images. They are just tearing down historical statues bc they want to remove a sense of historical culture and identity so they have a blank slate to work with.

Wait, so you're saying that the 10 Commandments are relics of the past that have no use in modern society? If we are no longer following them then why are we posting them? What is the point of putting a statement "No Graven Images" up in a classroom if you're going to then say, kidding! Please answer this. Do you or do you not believe in all 10 commandments and think they should be followed? If not, why do you believe all 10 should be posted as part of "our cultural heritage" - given that you don't think they are relevant to us anymore?

Crickets.

Are graven images forbidden or not? And if they are not, why are we even bothering with this exercise? Pick the couple that apply to our modern country, and avoid the Biblical hocus pocus entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the subject. I'm fine with the 10 Commandments. There was a time that I would have been opposed to it. It's now clear to me that many, many more people need Jesus. The thing holding us back from a solid economy, low crime, and social cohesion isn't the 10 Commandments. In fact, I'd like to indoctrinate our youth with many more Commandments, like "thou shalt not exceed a BMI of 25" or "thou shall not use speaker phone in public" and "get a fecking job."

How about the Beatitudes? Those should be in the classroom as they come directly from Jesus. And also some prayers to the Virgin Mary. Students would definitely improve with some Hail Marys said a few times a day.

Let's get the basics first. 10 Commandments, pledge of allegiance, and running laps in PE.

No praying to Mary. That's Santeria. I'm tired of weird pagan crap like Earth Day etc.

Make sure you put that in the Amicus briefing when this goes to the SCOTUS! Lol.

It is weird Louisiana put the Protestant version of the 10 commandments into the law knowing that this will likely got up to then catholic-majority SCOTUS. That was short sighted.

I don't believe scotus would hear the case. This doesn't appear to violate the constitution. The 10 Commandments are a shared moral basis for Jews, Muslims and Christians regardless of the variations in the rendering. The constitution says:

"Article the third... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hanging the 10 Commandments

1) wasn't decided by the US Congress
2) did not establish a religion
3) does not prohibited the practice of a religion
4) does not inhibit speech

There's no case. It's a state issue, and it doesn't violate any constitutional protections. The only thing they will have to go on is precedent, but constitutional scholars believe that the precedents are based on a misreading of the relevant texts. The founding idea of our nation is that government corrupts religion-- not that religion corrupts government. It was always the government, not the religion, that was being constrained.

Since when is everyone either a Jew Christian or Muslim???

Other cultures and religions have their own ancient texts too.

And why should we ban “graven images” - no one will answer that. That sounds like banning speech to me.

The US was formed on judeo Christian ethics.

No. No no no no no no no. The founding fathers explicitly avoided doing that. They certainly could have and there certainly were those who wanted it. But they purposefully did not do that in the constitution. Read your history. You could not be more wrong.

You fundamentally do not understand ethics, culture, governance, and society. Not only the US but all of western civilization has emerged from Christian values and morality.

As an atheist, I agree with you that I do not particularly want to see the 10 commandments in schools. However ignorance of the foundation of the moral, legal, and ethical foundations of our society is profoundly foolish and dangerous.

Wrong. All of western civilization emerged from Paganism since our government is modeled on Greek ideals.

“A U.S. state resembles the community structure of an ancient Greek polis, or city-state. A polis was composed of an urban center and the land surrounding it, developments similar to that of the major cities and state capitals in the United States and the rural areas surrounding them. In ancient Greece, some of the main city-states were Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, and Syracuse. These city-states acted independently for the most part. However, sometimes they engaged in war against each other. They also banded together to defend Greece from foreign invaders.

All Greek city-states had sets of rules by which the people lived in observance and laws they were required to obey. In ancient Greece the idea of rule of law came from the philosopher Aristotle’s belief in natural law. He claimed the existence of a higher justice in nature—certain essential rights—that superseded the laws written by humans. Aristotle believed that people should align themselves with this natural law and govern by its ethics.”

Paganism is the origin of western civilization, not Christianity.

Educate yourself

So only 10% of society is to have full citizenship?

So slavery should be widely practiced?

So boys and should be routinely castrated?

That is what you are asking for.

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Such hypocrisy.

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the next phase...

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There's been an update to this story.

A federal judge has struck down a Louisiana law that required every public school and university classroom to display the Ten Commandments, drawing legal challenges from civil rights groups anticipating a Supreme Court battle with the state’s Republican governor.

The law clearly violates the First Amendment’s provisions against the government from establishing or favoring one religion over another, and from interfering with a right to practice a religion without government interference, according to the ruling.

There is a “real and substantial likelihood of coercion” if Louisiana students are forced to be a “captive audience” for “a specific version of the Ten Commandments, one posted in every single classroom,” District Judge John Wheadon deGravelles wrote on Tuesday.


Louisiana law that requires Ten Commandments to be displayed in public classrooms deemed unconstitutional
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/louisiana-ten-commandments-law-first-amendment-b2645709.html

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Those have been displayed in VA classrooms and offices for years. No one even notices them - they get stuck in an unobtrusive spot, in small print, and ignored. If anyone was ever checking to see if they are there, then it hasn't happened in a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:Those have been displayed in VA classrooms and offices for years. No one even notices them - they get stuck in an unobtrusive spot, in small print, and ignored. If anyone was ever checking to see if they are there, then it hasn't happened in a long time.

Source? Where have they been displayed in VA? I never saw them in my DC’s classrooms, and I spent a lot of time volunteering in them. Was there ever a law in Virginia that promoted the display of the 10 Commandments in public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Those have been displayed in VA classrooms and offices for years. No one even notices them - they get stuck in an unobtrusive spot, in small print, and ignored. If anyone was ever checking to see if they are there, then it hasn't happened in a long time.

No. Those are the bill of rights.

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The Separation of Church and State line is becoming severely blurred. But I don't care about this and reason 1 million why I won't live in the South. Louisiana is a dump.

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Blocked unanimously in the Fifth Circuit, the country’s most conservative court of appeals.

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Anonymous wrote:Blocked unanimously in the Fifth Circuit, the country’s most conservative court of appeals.

When you lose the 5th circuit…

BTW, the Fifth Circuit, which covers Louisiana, is a favorite with the Trump administration, especially when it comes to migrant detentions. They like to send deportees to detention centers in Louisiana and one reason is because they fall under the fifth circuit which they perceived to be favorable to them. That’s where they sent the Turkish student who was abducted off the street in a Boston suburb.