Upper middle class family claiming “full ride (sports) scholarship” to small D3 private college?

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Anonymous wrote:Travel sports parents lie because they can’t come to terms with the last decade of carting their kids around was a complete waste.

I absolutely think it’s this. 100%.

Without touching the lying claim, what an odd take. How is spending time with your kid in a healthy physical activity a waste?

It’s the travel cost/time commitment that is the waste. It did absolutely nothing to get your kid into college - which is why most people do travel. If you want to spend time with your kid in a healthy physical activity, why aren’t you doing rec? It saves you thousands of dollars, and time spent traveling to tournaments and practice.

I mean if you want to blow thousands on travel for sh¡ts and giggles, have at it. But most people have a college goal in mind.

My kid did travel baseball because he loves the game. It didn't have a damn thing to do with colleges.

Ok. Then you’re one of the people that has money to waste on travel even though he could have played for much less. But you’re in the minority. At least around here.

Nope. Maybe 10% of his travel team is continuing at the collegiate level (not club) And I'm in Old Town. Rec and HS don't play a third as much as Travel and virtually all tournament play is travel related. Bottom line, if you want lots of at bats, you play travel.

It sounds like you don't know anything about this.

I have a kid that plays on a high level travel team (70% are D1 commits) and I don’t understand this whatsoever.

We told our kid after 8th grade that travel baseball was only in the cards if the plan was to play in college. If it isn’t, then what’s the point of spending thousands on team fees and travel?

Our kid thought about it and did try other sports in freshman and sophomore year as well, but decided he wanted to commit to baseball and put in the work. Talking to several D1 and D3 coaches and will be playing in several marquee tournaments as well…we will see what happens.

However, we weren’t investing all this money for a hobby. There really isn’t rec baseball at HS so it would have meant focusing on other sports or pursuing other interests, which he fully understood (and playing HS ball which is always an option in his case based on his HS).

That is absolute horse sh*t. Not even the Canes place 70% on D1 rosters. And if you are in the DC area, the 'elite' travel teams here place maybe 10% on D1 and another 20% on D3.

One thing is certaion about youth baseball though, the parents are the biggest liars of any sport by a country mile.

You can claim that all you want, but it’s true…and it’s also a national team with players coming from all over the East Coast. Some are Power 5 D1 but most are other D1.

Canes national teams are around 100% D1 because they won’t take you unless you are already committed.

Canes has a gazillion teams at each age group, so only their top 1-2 teams (which also draw from across the country) are the ones that are really elite.

Need any other schooling on travel teams?

You didn't school anyone, son. Name the DC ravel team that sends 70% of its players to D1.

Put up or shut up.

Are you dense? This is now the 3rd time I will mention it isn't a DC travel team. Go to the PG site and it's one of the 17u teams ranked in the Top 50 in the country. Sorry, not doxing kids because you don't understand how elite travel ball works.

We knew you were FOS.

Look...go play for your crappy travel team at some Dynamic tournament where even when you are playing on a college field, that college's coaches aren't even watching because they are at the real tournaments or watching college leagues for transfers. Patriot Park is and was great if you are playing 14u or 15u, but again, you won't find a college coach anywhere for those 16u or 17u PG and PBR tournaments which funnily enough are happening at the same time as the real tournaments in East Cobb, Hoover, Lakepoint, etc.. It's fine...you don't know any better.

FOS and angry. Sucks to be you.

That's funny...you just keep spiraling.

The PP is correct, though. There is no team that meets your description. You are lying.

Except there are many. Go look at Artillery or Canes National as just two examples.

Good God, you are stupid. No one here was talking about National level showcase teams that have maybe two dozen players from 20 different states. The context was D3 and local travel teams. That's the level PP was claiming was sending 70% to D1. Which is a bald faced lie. But he can't handle that so he just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel sports parents lie because they can’t come to terms with the last decade of carting their kids around was a complete waste.

I absolutely think it’s this. 100%.

Without touching the lying claim, what an odd take. How is spending time with your kid in a healthy physical activity a waste?

It’s the travel cost/time commitment that is the waste. It did absolutely nothing to get your kid into college - which is why most people do travel. If you want to spend time with your kid in a healthy physical activity, why aren’t you doing rec? It saves you thousands of dollars, and time spent traveling to tournaments and practice.

I mean if you want to blow thousands on travel for sh¡ts and giggles, have at it. But most people have a college goal in mind.

My kid did travel baseball because he loves the game. It didn't have a damn thing to do with colleges.

Ok. Then you’re one of the people that has money to waste on travel even though he could have played for much less. But you’re in the minority. At least around here.

Nope. Maybe 10% of his travel team is continuing at the collegiate level (not club) And I'm in Old Town. Rec and HS don't play a third as much as Travel and virtually all tournament play is travel related. Bottom line, if you want lots of at bats, you play travel.

It sounds like you don't know anything about this.

I have a kid that plays on a high level travel team (70% are D1 commits) and I don’t understand this whatsoever.

We told our kid after 8th grade that travel baseball was only in the cards if the plan was to play in college. If it isn’t, then what’s the point of spending thousands on team fees and travel?

Our kid thought about it and did try other sports in freshman and sophomore year as well, but decided he wanted to commit to baseball and put in the work. Talking to several D1 and D3 coaches and will be playing in several marquee tournaments as well…we will see what happens.

However, we weren’t investing all this money for a hobby. There really isn’t rec baseball at HS so it would have meant focusing on other sports or pursuing other interests, which he fully understood (and playing HS ball which is always an option in his case based on his HS).

That is absolute horse sh*t. Not even the Canes place 70% on D1 rosters. And if you are in the DC area, the 'elite' travel teams here place maybe 10% on D1 and another 20% on D3.

One thing is certaion about youth baseball though, the parents are the biggest liars of any sport by a country mile.

You can claim that all you want, but it’s true…and it’s also a national team with players coming from all over the East Coast. Some are Power 5 D1 but most are other D1.

Canes national teams are around 100% D1 because they won’t take you unless you are already committed.

Canes has a gazillion teams at each age group, so only their top 1-2 teams (which also draw from across the country) are the ones that are really elite.

Need any other schooling on travel teams?

You didn't school anyone, son. Name the DC ravel team that sends 70% of its players to D1.

Put up or shut up.

Are you dense? This is now the 3rd time I will mention it isn't a DC travel team. Go to the PG site and it's one of the 17u teams ranked in the Top 50 in the country. Sorry, not doxing kids because you don't understand how elite travel ball works.

We knew you were FOS.

Look...go play for your crappy travel team at some Dynamic tournament where even when you are playing on a college field, that college's coaches aren't even watching because they are at the real tournaments or watching college leagues for transfers. Patriot Park is and was great if you are playing 14u or 15u, but again, you won't find a college coach anywhere for those 16u or 17u PG and PBR tournaments which funnily enough are happening at the same time as the real tournaments in East Cobb, Hoover, Lakepoint, etc.. It's fine...you don't know any better.

FOS and angry. Sucks to be you.

That's funny...you just keep spiraling.

Buddy, the only one spiraling here is the angry fool arguing about a game with a ball. Please keep it up. We all enjoy laughing at you.

Yikes...you are spiraling deeper...seems like someone is getting agitated.

Hook, line, sinker....

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Anonymous wrote:Travel sports parents lie because they can’t come to terms with the last decade of carting their kids around was a complete waste.

I absolutely think it’s this. 100%.

Without touching the lying claim, what an odd take. How is spending time with your kid in a healthy physical activity a waste?

It’s the travel cost/time commitment that is the waste. It did absolutely nothing to get your kid into college - which is why most people do travel. If you want to spend time with your kid in a healthy physical activity, why aren’t you doing rec? It saves you thousands of dollars, and time spent traveling to tournaments and practice.

I mean if you want to blow thousands on travel for sh¡ts and giggles, have at it. But most people have a college goal in mind.

This is an utterly bizarre and utterly joyless outlook. I have kids who made it to college with significant funding, so technically worth it, and yet even my kids and I would never say that travel sports was for college.

The obsessed anti-athlete haters on DCUM are just so, so weird. I have come to the conclusion that they don’t actually know how to have fun, to do something for the love and enjoyment, so they have to see the world the way the PP does. They don’t understand joy, camaraderie, fitness, or any of the intangibles that sports brings.

Keep in mind that these people pour tremendous amounts of time, money, and resources into raising their kids, not to to be future well-functioning adults, but to be future college students. They simply can’t comprehend a parenting philosophy or strategy (or God forbid the lack of strategy or philosophy) that is not 100% focused on college admissions.

The spoken and unspoken goal of all the crazy sports parents is their kid "playing at the next level." You are lying if you deny that. Not necessarily T20 elite admissions hooks, just on a college team, any college team. And preferably D1, for bragging rights and real student-athlete scholarships.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to know how many of the people on here hating on travel sports are paying for outside academic enrichment or coaching.

I don't believe anyone claims to do it just for fun, but in fact to get a boost in college admissions. So, you are agreeing that is why people spend all the money on travel sports? Hard to understand your argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

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Bill Simmons is a popular sports podcast host and worth $200 million dollars. Even he was a swooped up into the travel sports craziness for years and would claim his daughter was going to go play D1 soccer. She ended up walking on to some D3 club team at an obscure New England college.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know anything about division 3 schools and athletic recruiting. Is this possible?

They are on the lower end of upper middle class. No hooks. Their senior is a good not great athlete. And not an especially noteworthy student. She was not in the most advanced AP courses and her parents kept having her retake the ACT and SAT because her scores were so mediocre. Best ACT sitting was 26 and she was too embarrassed to reveal SAT scores.

And how does this affect you? Myob

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Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

But, you don't understand, my DD is the best player ever, 99% of her travel club is going pro!!!!

Like I said earlier, parents are liars. It's the same thing with Admissions. One mom on our block spammed FB with pictures of her son touring the USNA, MIT, Berkely, Princeton.... only to have her kid end up at, I sh*t you not, The University of Mary Washington.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

But, you don't understand, my DD is the best player ever, 99% of her travel club is going pro!!!!

Like I said earlier, parents are liars. It's the same thing with Admissions. One mom on our block spammed FB with pictures of her son touring the USNA, MIT, Berkely, Princeton.... only to have her kid end up at, I sh*t you not, The University of Mary Washington.

I wonder if she has enough self awareness to be mortified.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

But, you don't understand, my DD is the best player ever, 99% of her travel club is going pro!!!!

Like I said earlier, parents are liars. It's the same thing with Admissions. One mom on our block spammed FB with pictures of her son touring the USNA, MIT, Berkely, Princeton.... only to have her kid end up at, I sh*t you not, The University of Mary Washington.

Hey, those were my vacation pictures to Annapolis, Berkeley, Boston and Princeton. I had no idea the universities were in the background.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel sports parents lie because they can’t come to terms with the last decade of carting their kids around was a complete waste.

I absolutely think it’s this. 100%.

Without touching the lying claim, what an odd take. How is spending time with your kid in a healthy physical activity a waste?

It’s the travel cost/time commitment that is the waste. It did absolutely nothing to get your kid into college - which is why most people do travel. If you want to spend time with your kid in a healthy physical activity, why aren’t you doing rec? It saves you thousands of dollars, and time spent traveling to tournaments and practice.

I mean if you want to blow thousands on travel for sh¡ts and giggles, have at it. But most people have a college goal in mind.

My kid did travel baseball because he loves the game. It didn't have a damn thing to do with colleges.

Ok. Then you’re one of the people that has money to waste on travel even though he could have played for much less. But you’re in the minority. At least around here.

Nope. Maybe 10% of his travel team is continuing at the collegiate level (not club) And I'm in Old Town. Rec and HS don't play a third as much as Travel and virtually all tournament play is travel related. Bottom line, if you want lots of at bats, you play travel.

It sounds like you don't know anything about this.

I have a kid that plays on a high level travel team (70% are D1 commits) and I don’t understand this whatsoever.

We told our kid after 8th grade that travel baseball was only in the cards if the plan was to play in college. If it isn’t, then what’s the point of spending thousands on team fees and travel?

Our kid thought about it and did try other sports in freshman and sophomore year as well, but decided he wanted to commit to baseball and put in the work. Talking to several D1 and D3 coaches and will be playing in several marquee tournaments as well…we will see what happens.

However, we weren’t investing all this money for a hobby. There really isn’t rec baseball at HS so it would have meant focusing on other sports or pursuing other interests, which he fully understood (and playing HS ball which is always an option in his case based on his HS).

Because it’s fun. I realize that doing a sport for the pure joy is a concept you have never experienced and cannot possibly understand, but that is the answer. It’s fun.

So play rec. If you are doing the sport for pure joy, why would you spend thousands for the privilege?

Rec quality is extremely low. And the worst parents are rec parents, speaking as a parent with kids in both.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this for real? OP how do you know all this?

PS - 26 is perfectly acceptable ACT score for many colleges

Come on, that's pretty low.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an athletic full ride at D3 schools. Meaning, even if you are a D1 level athlete and want to attend, say, Randolph Macon College in Ashland, they simply can not come up with any scheme to get you 4 years for free.

- signed, father of a D1 athlete that actually wanted to go to a smaller school and be a student athlete.

NP. They can certainly give you extremely significant merit aid. My kid was awarded enough in merit aid that the private D3 was cheaper than instate.

That's simply false. You're not going to convince me because we tried every way possible for my kid to do this and the only 'free' offers at the end of the day were D1.

Your kid was either not good enough or not smart enough.

Wut? A kid who plays D1 isn't good enough to play D3? You ate a lot of crayons as a child, didn't you?

Yes. You obviously know nothing about the current college sports landscape. Transfer portal has changed everything. Your D1 kid wasn’t good enough to get good D3 money. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, the crayons attempted insult is extremely uncreative and dull. At least try to show some intelligence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

As someone who used to work in admissions, this is flat-out wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can't you let them be proud of a kid who it doesn't sound like meets DCUM standards? Geez.

Sorry - I won’t give liars the satisfaction.

I only read the OP.

D3 schools may give students an athletic scholarship under the guise of merit. They still have to meet GPA requirements but the money is obviously for athletics under a merit label. This is not uncommon. So, perhaps they aren't lying.

For the love of God stop lying and spamming misinformation. It is against NCAA rules for Division III colleges to give athletic scholarships, period. The means-based financial aid and merit grants and scholarships they give your mediocre athlete kid is the EXACT SAME financial aid package they give every mediocre student applying. No college is violating NCAA rules so your mediocre daughter can play on their laughing stock sub .500 soccer team. You people are so deluded and bats***.

But, you don't understand, my DD is the best player ever, 99% of her travel club is going pro!!!!

Like I said earlier, parents are liars. It's the same thing with Admissions. One mom on our block spammed FB with pictures of her son touring the USNA, MIT, Berkely, Princeton.... only to have her kid end up at, I sh*t you not, The University of Mary Washington.

I wonder if she has enough self awareness to be mortified.

I guarantee that mom is way, way more fun to be around than either of the two bitter seething hags above.