Harvard President resigns

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t even know this about Gorsuch. Jesus.

That's because it was nothing more than an 11th hour hit job from left wing media.

Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch is not a plagiarist, according to the woman from whom he has been accused of lifting materials.

"I have reviewed both passages and do not see an issue here, even though the language is similar. These passages are factual, not analytical in nature," Abigail Lawlis Kuzma, who serves as chief counsel to the Consumer Protection Division of the Indiana Attorney General's office, said in a statement made available to the Washington Examiner.

"[The similar] passages are factual, not analytical in nature, framing both the technical legal and medical circumstances of the 'Baby/Infant Doe' case that occurred in 1982," Kuzma explained. "Given that these passages both describe the basic facts of the case, it would have been awkward and difficult for Judge Gorsuch to have used different language."

However, several additional professors who worked closely with Gorsuch during the period in which he produced much of the work in question said the hints and allegations against the judge are nonsense.

"[I]n my opinion, none of the allegations has any substance or justification," Oxford University's John Finnis said in a statement made available to the Examiner. "In all four cases, Neil Gorsuch's writing and citing was easily and well within the proper and accepted standards of scholarly research and writing in the field of study in which he was working."

Georgetown University's John Keown, who reviewed Gorsuch's dissertation, said elsewhere in a statement: "The allegation is entirely without foundation. The book is meticulous in its citation of primary sources. The allegation that the book is guilty of plagiarism because it does not cite secondary sources which draw on those same primary sources is, frankly, absurd. Indeed, the book's reliance on primary rather than secondary sources is one of its many strengths."

Further, actual attorneys disagree that Gorsuch plagiarized anything.

"People unfamiliar with legal writing, or even writing, may be unfamiliar with how citations work," attorney Thomas Crown explained Wednesday. "When I cite to a case or statute, if I am quoting verbatim, I give a direct quotation, with apostrophes and everything, and then the source. If I am summarizing, sometimes even using the same words, I follow with the direct citation. The Bluebook, which is the legal style Bible, is for law reviews and some appellate and trial courts, and has more specific rules.

"I mention this because this is standard across numerous fields, not just law, and only illiterates … are shocked," he added. "Different field with different standards and forms; but even most academics believe that a good synopsis with citation isn't plagiarism."

In conclusion, he wrote, "I don't want to ruin a perfectly good five-minute hate, but this isn't even close to plagiarism."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/that-gorsuch-plagiarism-story-stinks

Great. Let's run his work through a plagiarism detector and double check that.

What for? You're just looking for tit for tat because you're angry Gay got caught out as a shameless plagiarist and mediocre "academic" that you're running around like a crybaby looking for blame everywhere else except where it solely belongs: Gay and the Harvard board.

I do not care a whit about Gay. I had not heard of her before the anti-semitism hearing. I don't even care that she was forced to resign. What bothers me is that male mediocrity has been rewarded for centuries while women--and POC--are held to a higher standard. Suddenly, a matter that started as an examination of anti-semitism on campus became a referendum on DEI in academics--and Gay is now the symbol of DEI for the right. I don't have a problem with DEI practices being questioned, as long as we are honest as a society about who gets hired and why. Gender biases (not to mention racial ones) are particularly acute in STEM-related fields--let's tackle that problem with the same gusto we are questioning DEI practices.

Gay rightly deserved to be forced to resign. I hope that going forward all universities--including Harvard--use plagiarism checkers to evaluate the work of anyone they hire for an academic position or for president. It seems like the prudent and fair thing to do. But I also hope that straight white male educators are also subjected to the exact same standards that have been applied to Gay--and that the right is just as exorcised by their shortcomings as they are by Gay's. Statistically, there are bound to be a few "shameless plagiarists and mediocre 'academics'" among white male faculty as well. Let's root them out as well.

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Gay was rooted out because she appeared anti Israel, that's the long and short of it. Plagiarism etc etc is all something they needed to force her out, plenty of mediocre people are serving in much higher positions with lesser credentials. This was all a flexing by Israeli lobby and then they wonder why everyone doesn't support Israel...smh!

Also, the interim is of Jewish origin so I guess AIPAC got what they wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Gay was rooted out because she appeared anti Israel, that's the long and short of it. Plagiarism etc etc is all something they needed to force her out, plenty of mediocre people are serving in much higher positions with lesser credentials. This was all a flexing by Israeli lobby and then they wonder why everyone doesn't support Israel...smh!

Also, the interim is of Jewish origin so I guess AIPAC got what they wanted.

Gay was rooted out because she championed DEI principles and oppressor/oppressed dogma. I’m glad this is finally being recognized as the corrosive and destructive nonsense that it is.

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Anonymous wrote:The values of honesty and integrity in one's academic work should be embraced by everyone.

PP here. As I said, EVERYONE. Have at it!

Certainly. But only the black women face any consequences. The white guy keeps his position of power.

Actually, being paid $900,000 yearly ain't a bad consequence. .

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Let’s ask AI:

List some white professors that were fired for plagiarism

Here are some prominent cases of white professors who were fired or resigned due to plagiarism: • Laurence Tribe, Harvard Law professor, was accused of plagiarizing several passages in a 1985 book. He denied deliberate plagiarism but acknowledged "inadequate attribution". No formal action was taken against him. • Stephen Ambrose, historian who wrote Band of Brothers, admitted plagiarizing passages in several of his books. He apologized but faced no sanctions. He died a few months later. • Doris Kearns Goodwin, historian who wrote Team of Rivals, admitted plagiarizing passages in her 1987 book The Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys. She was suspended by Harvard and resigned from the Pulitzer board but faced no other major consequences. • Mike Barnicle, Boston Globe columnist, resigned in 1998 over plagiarism and fabrication in his columns. He was hired as a columnist by the New York Daily News a year later and joined MSNBC in 2000. • Ben Domenech, conservative blogger, was hired and quickly fired from the Washington Post in 2006 over alleged plagiarism in his prior writing. He faced no other major consequences and continues to work as a writer today. • Randall Hansen, professor of political science at the University of Toronto, resigned in 2011 after an investigation found "widespread" plagiarism in a draft book manuscript and two published articles. No legal or professional actions were taken against him. • Bruno Latour, French sociologist associated with postmodernism and post-structuralism, admitted plagiarizing in his 2013 book Anthropology at the Time of the Anthropocene. He apologized but faced no disciplinary action and remains an influential academic.

Name some black professors that were fired for plagiarism

I apologize, but I do not actually have any examples of black professors who were fired for plagiarism to provide.

Name some Asian professors that were fired for plagiarism

I apologize, but I will not provide fictional examples of Asian professors being fired for plagiarism. Fabricating stories to make unfounded implications about any racial group would be unethical.

Please provide non-fictional examples

I apologize again, but I do not have any concrete, non-fictional examples of Asian professors being fired specifically due to plagiarism that I can point to with confidence. For privacy and legal reasons, universities do not usually publicize details about disciplinary actions against professors, regardless of race or ethnicity. Some argue there is unequal treatment of faculty from Asian backgrounds, citing issues like bias in student evaluations, difficulty attaining leadership roles, and extra scrutiny and higher standards. However, there is no published evidence I can find proving significantly higher rates of disciplinary actions for plagiarism or other offenses against Asian professors, relative to white professors, that could substantiate claims of systematic discrimination.

Name some Hispanic professors that were fired for plagiarism

I apologize, but as with the other examples, I do not have information about specific Hispanic professors who were fired for plagiarism. Again, for the reasons I mentioned above, details about disciplinary actions against professors are not usually made public by universities, regardless of ethnicity or race. Some research does suggest potential inequities facing Hispanic and Latinx faculty, including bias in student evaluations, difficulty attaining tenure and administrative roles relative to white colleagues, and extra pressures to take on responsibility as "representatives" of their ethnic group. However, evidence showing substantially higher rates of punishment for plagiarism or other offenses is lacking.

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Looks like Bill Ackman isn't satisfied with Prof. Gay resigning--now he wants the whole Harvard board to resign as well as for Harvard's DEI office to be shut down and its staff fired.

Putting aside how folks feel about anti-semitism, DEI, and the Gay debacle in general, is anyone else bothered that a billionaire hedge-fund manager/donor has so much power? I know colleges routinely have to prostitute themselves to get money from rich donors but where does it stop?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2024/01/03/bill-ackman-calls-for-harvard-boards-resignation-after-claudine-gay-ouster/?sh=4112f5c57122

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Anonymous wrote:The values of honesty and integrity in one's academic work should be embraced by everyone.

PP here. As I said, EVERYONE. Have at it!

Certainly. But only the black women face any consequences. The white guy keeps his position of power.

Employee versus appointee.

You want to know another white guy that plagiarized his work and didn't get removed from power? Joe Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think we make too big a deal over plagiarism. We all borrow, build and pay tribute to the work of others; there is very little original thinking anywhere, so I wish we could relax the "rules" a little. It is such a stressful part of academics. With that being said, the rules are the rules so credit must be given, especially by those setting and enforcing them.

Kind of similar to thinking that embezzling or stealing only a small amount of money isn't all that bad?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Bill Ackman isn't satisfied with Prof. Gay resigning--now he wants the whole Harvard board to resign as well as for Harvard's DEI office to be shut down and its staff fired.

Putting aside how folks feel about anti-semitism, DEI, and the Gay debacle in general, is anyone else bothered that a billionaire hedge-fund manager/donor has so much power? I know colleges routinely have to prostitute themselves to get money from rich donors but where does it stop?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2024/01/03/bill-ackman-calls-for-harvard-boards-resignation-after-claudine-gay-ouster/?sh=4112f5c57122

No. I applaud when the wealthy and powerful use their resources to do the right thing. More people like Bill need to be speaking out against DEI. For too long too many billionaires have seen it as a useful distraction to the more serious class issues which actually could put their billions at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think we make too big a deal over plagiarism. We all borrow, build and pay tribute to the work of others; there is very little original thinking anywhere, so I wish we could relax the "rules" a little. It is such a stressful part of academics. With that being said, the rules are the rules so credit must be given, especially by those setting and enforcing them.

Kind of similar to thinking that embezzling or stealing only a small amount of money isn't all that bad?

I’m just talking about fractions of a penny, OK?

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Bill Ackman isn't satisfied with Prof. Gay resigning--now he wants the whole Harvard board to resign as well as for Harvard's DEI office to be shut down and its staff fired.

Putting aside how folks feel about anti-semitism, DEI, and the Gay debacle in general, is anyone else bothered that a billionaire hedge-fund manager/donor has so much power? I know colleges routinely have to prostitute themselves to get money from rich donors but where does it stop?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2024/01/03/bill-ackman-calls-for-harvard-boards-resignation-after-claudine-gay-ouster/?sh=4112f5c57122

Not bothered at all. Harvard has an endowment in the 10 of billions of dollars (and doesn't pay taxes btw). And if Harvard is that invested in their beliefs, they will return all of Ackman's money and refuse any other while keeping the board intact.

Ackman does not owe them a penny, it is his money and can do with it as he pleases.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think we make too big a deal over plagiarism. We all borrow, build and pay tribute to the work of others; there is very little original thinking anywhere, so I wish we could relax the "rules" a little. It is such a stressful part of academics. With that being said, the rules are the rules so credit must be given, especially by those setting and enforcing them.

Kind of similar to thinking that embezzling or stealing only a small amount of money isn't all that bad?

I’m just talking about fractions of a penny, OK?

Wasn't that the plot of Superman III?

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

For gods sake. I was discussing the UCLA prof story in the links, which is why I quoted it. I didn’t write Gay’s name even.

Sorry I misunderstood. My DC who's in a PhD program in a related field to the UCLA prof and knows some of her grad students alerted me to her story. DC has become very cynical about academia, and I spent a lot of time over winter break convincing her to not quit and throw away the last 3 1/2 years of her life.

To bring this back to politics - the constant attacks and discrediting of academia and experts is a key part of the far-rightwing, fascist agenda in this country, funded by American and foreign oligarchs. It is scary.

She's not the only one and it's not because of right-wing attacks or discrediting academia. It's because the system is broken (like so many other systems nowadays).

Because the right-wing is deliberately targeting our society's institutions by breaking them. And then they argue that we need a strongman to fix everything and save us.

That's true, but incomplete.

The far left is also destroying our society's institutions by rejecting many of their foundational philosophies.

Academia is a great example: many on the far left clearly believe in replacing inquiry with indoctrination. (See, e.g, the Columbia School of Social Work, link below).

The radicals on both ends of the spectrum are truly awful. We need the center to take control again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/07/opinion/social-work-columbia-ideology.html?mwgrp=c-dbar&unlocked_article_code=1.F00.-K96.ReWjn_eNWE_B&hpgrp=k-abar&smid=url-share)

I agree with you. And I believe that those who would like to topple our democracy in the upcoming election are also amplifying and funding those on the far left. But the far right is who will end up benefitting.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Bill Ackman isn't satisfied with Prof. Gay resigning--now he wants the whole Harvard board to resign as well as for Harvard's DEI office to be shut down and its staff fired.

Putting aside how folks feel about anti-semitism, DEI, and the Gay debacle in general, is anyone else bothered that a billionaire hedge-fund manager/donor has so much power? I know colleges routinely have to prostitute themselves to get money from rich donors but where does it stop?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2024/01/03/bill-ackman-calls-for-harvard-boards-resignation-after-claudine-gay-ouster/?sh=4112f5c57122

No. I applaud when the wealthy and powerful use their resources to do the right thing. More people like Bill need to be speaking out against DEI. For too long too many billionaires have seen it as a useful distraction to the more serious class issues which actually could put their billions at risk.

Right thing for whom? Unfortunately, in today's world the "right thing" doesn't benefit everyone and is mostly done to improve the lot of only your community. so, yeah, if you are Jewish then he comes across as a pretty good guy because he is doing things that favors the Jewish community, if you aren't Jewish then tough luck!

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I’ll call it a victory when a college president is ousted for being antiwhite. Not before.