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Anonymous wrote:My friend told me the strongest students apply ED to UVA so your competition is more fierce during ED vs regular. I don’t know if that is true.

My kids won’t be applying ED to UVA but they will be for RD.

My kid’s guidance counselor told her the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:“High stats” does not always equal rigorous course load across all five subjects.

People need to stop talking about “my high stats kid…..” because that never tells the whole story.

I do happen to know rigorous course load kids who did quite well, at the top of their "DCUM approved" high school - that were not accepted to UVA. Those same kids have outstanding ECs. It is not outrageous at all to think (know) that UVA practices yield protection. UVA disregards those from the top of their class, in the name of diversity. It is no secret.

But not in the ED round.

You do not know that. It is yield protection.

Yield protection isn’t possible during ED. IT IS BINDING

+1. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection. If you think it does, please provide citations.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but does any college actually provide citations that they do this?

Yes, they do. Google UVA yield. Or any other school and yield. Yield stats are often used with alums when the college is asking for money from alums

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The UVA Mommas are fierce, but UVA definitely yield protects. I thought everyone knew this?

OhFFS. You can’t yield protect early decision where the yield is, by definition, a perfect 100%.
I thought UVA booster ladies could comprehend?

+1. But even for EA and RD, I have seen nothing to demonstrate that UVA yield protects. Virginia Tech does, UVA does not.

NP. Now this is ridiculous. Why would you claim VT yield protects but UVA does not? If one does, it's a no-brainer that the other will as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

Where is your cite? When did uva change its policy?

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Anonymous wrote:“High stats” does not always equal rigorous course load across all five subjects.

People need to stop talking about “my high stats kid…..” because that never tells the whole story.

I do happen to know rigorous course load kids who did quite well, at the top of their "DCUM approved" high school - that were not accepted to UVA. Those same kids have outstanding ECs. It is not outrageous at all to think (know) that UVA practices yield protection. UVA disregards those from the top of their class, in the name of diversity. It is no secret.

But not in the ED round.

You do not know that. It is yield protection.

Yield protection isn’t possible during ED. IT IS BINDING

+1. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection. If you think it does, please provide citations.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but does any college actually provide citations that they do this?

Yes, they do. Google UVA yield. Or any other school and yield. Yield stats are often used with alums when the college is asking for money from alums

+1

The UVA Mommas are fierce, but UVA definitely yield protects. I thought everyone knew this?

OhFFS. You can’t yield protect early decision where the yield is, by definition, a perfect 100%.
I thought UVA booster ladies could comprehend?

+1. But even for EA and RD, I have seen nothing to demonstrate that UVA yield protects. Virginia Tech does, UVA does not.

NP. Now this is ridiculous. Why would you claim VT yield protects but UVA does not? If one does, it's a no-brainer that the other will as well.

That's not true at all. Why do you think that? Are you under the mistaken belief that all the VA universities run by the same rules? They don't, and certainly not UVA which receives less than 6% of its operating funds from the Commonwealth. The Boards for each respective college or university decide tuition, policies, admissions goals, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

Where is your cite? When did uva change its policy?

+1. LOL. I'm a college counselor. Based upon 15 years of study, I have concluded that UVA does not engage in yield protection, but obviously V Tech does. They are very different campuses. I challenge those who are arguing that UVA yield protects to cite to something that supports their position .. ... because I've never seen it

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Anonymous wrote:“High stats” does not always equal rigorous course load across all five subjects.

People need to stop talking about “my high stats kid…..” because that never tells the whole story.

I do happen to know rigorous course load kids who did quite well, at the top of their "DCUM approved" high school - that were not accepted to UVA. Those same kids have outstanding ECs. It is not outrageous at all to think (know) that UVA practices yield protection. UVA disregards those from the top of their class, in the name of diversity. It is no secret.

But not in the ED round.

You do not know that. It is yield protection.

Yield protection isn’t possible during ED. IT IS BINDING

+1. UVA doesn't engage in yield protection. If you think it does, please provide citations.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but does any college actually provide citations that they do this?

Yes, they do. Google UVA yield. Or any other school and yield. Yield stats are often used with alums when the college is asking for money from alums

+1

The UVA Mommas are fierce, but UVA definitely yield protects. I thought everyone knew this?

OhFFS. You can’t yield protect early decision where the yield is, by definition, a perfect 100%.
I thought UVA booster ladies could comprehend?

+1. But even for EA and RD, I have seen nothing to demonstrate that UVA yield protects. Virginia Tech does, UVA does not.

NP. Now this is ridiculous. Why would you claim VT yield protects but UVA does not? If one does, it's a no-brainer that the other will as well.

That's not true at all. Why do you think that? Are you under the mistaken belief that all the VA universities run by the same rules? They don't, and certainly not UVA which receives less than 6% of its operating funds from the Commonwealth. The Boards for each respective college or university decide tuition, policies, admissions goals, etc.

Regardless, it's not true that VT yield protects. You have zero evidence of that, just the usual conspiracy theories and sour grapes.

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Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

Where is your cite? When did uva change its policy?

+1. LOL. I'm a college counselor. Based upon 15 years of study, I have concluded that UVA does not engage in yield protection, but obviously V Tech does. They are very different campuses. I challenge those who are arguing that UVA yield protects to cite to something that supports their position .. ... because I've never seen it

Why don't YOU cite something that proves VT yield protects? "Obviously"? Such a bizarre claim, especially considering you have no proof to back you up.

[Anonymous]

"Yield Protection
Virginia Tech does not participate in yield protection."
https://www.vt.edu/admissions/undergraduate/counselor-corner.html

Straight from the VT website. All you have is some blog post from Dean J. Nothing official on the UVA website stating they do not yield protect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

[Anonymous]

I think Dean J’s post makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Your story is 6 months stale

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Dean J’s post makes a lot of sense.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was rejected last year - top 10% of class, 34, national awards, club president, varsity captain, 13AP mostly 5’s. We applied for FA. Kid got in an elite school in RD with very generous aid. So, it could be a good thing to be rejected or deferred by UVA. Good luck!

In or out of state?

DP here. I know top VA students who have been rejected, similar stats. Some posters insist UVA does not yield protect, but in all my years, I have seen differently. If UVA thinks you will pick a "higher" school, they will not admit you. Also, schools are not supposed to communicate with each other about whom they choose, but there is some degree of understanding, such that other schools accept in lieu of. Again, this is not supposed to happen, but I have seen it.

Do college applications still ask students to list where else applying? I remember having to do this and was asked in all interviews too. I had guessed schools no longer asked this.

I’ve had 4 kids apply to college over the past 9 years for a total of approximately 40 colleges/universities applied to. Not a single one asked where else are you applying to.

Some colleges keep track of an applicant’s demonstrated interest as a way to make offers to students who appear more likely to attend and try to protect yield that way. Those tend to be the SLACs with a smaller applicant pool. UVA does not keep track of demonstrated interest.

PAST nine years

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Anonymous wrote:My kid was rejected last year - top 10% of class, 34, national awards, club president, varsity captain, 13AP mostly 5’s. We applied for FA. Kid got in an elite school in RD with very generous aid. So, it could be a good thing to be rejected or deferred by UVA. Good luck!

In or out of state?

DP here. I know top VA students who have been rejected, similar stats. Some posters insist UVA does not yield protect, but in all my years, I have seen differently. If UVA thinks you will pick a "higher" school, they will not admit you. Also, schools are not supposed to communicate with each other about whom they choose, but there is some degree of understanding, such that other schools accept in lieu of. Again, this is not supposed to happen, but I have seen it.

Do college applications still ask students to list where else applying? I remember having to do this and was asked in all interviews too. I had guessed schools no longer asked this.

I’ve had 4 kids apply to college over the past 9 years for a total of approximately 40 colleges/universities applied to. Not a single one asked where else are you applying to.

Some colleges keep track of an applicant’s demonstrated interest as a way to make offers to students who appear more likely to attend and try to protect yield that way. Those tend to be the SLACs with a smaller applicant pool. UVA does not keep track of demonstrated interest.

PAST nine years

Did something change dramatically from last year to this bc that’s when the last one applied to college???

UVA doesn’t care where else your kid applied to college.