UVA decisions are out

[Anonymous]

Is someone from the UVA admissions office posting here about their policies or is it just some unhinged UVA mom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Early Decision Applications
Total number of Early Decision applications: 4,465 (4,243 last year)
Total number of VA apps: 2,573 (2,250)
Total number of OOS apps: 1,893 (1,993)
We use completed applications in our statistics.

Early Decision Offers
Overall offers: 1,133 (1,040)
Total VA offers: 782 (30% offer rate)
Total OOS offers: 351 (18.5% offer rate)
Enrollment Goal: ~3,900

Seriously? That’s a pretty high acceptance rate.

25%? That’s high?

[Anonymous]

Still no proof from the yield protection boosters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still no proof from the yield protection boosters.

How to practice yield protection in ED? Is not ED binding? Can you walk off your ED offer? Is so, how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

DP: are you claiming that the students lied about their race in their essays and were admitted ED this year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

NP. Remember that on this forum people worship Dean J.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

DP: are you claiming that the students lied about their race in their essays and were admitted ED this year?

No. They used their background to create a new life story. I guess anyone could do that but it doesn’t make it right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

DP: are you claiming that the students lied about their race in their essays and were admitted ED this year?

No. They used their background to create a new life story. I guess anyone could do that but it doesn’t make it right.

Isn't that still lying? How to you create a "new" life story without lying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

NP. Remember that on this forum people worship Dean J.

It’s not a matter of “worshiping“ Dean J, it’s a matter of not being a ridiculous conspiracy theorist. When one of the deans of admission of the school puts in bold letters that they do not practice yield protection, I am going to believe her over some crazed anonymous NOVA mom who is all pissed off that her kid wasn’t good enough to get into the school so turns things around and says, no, my kid was actually TOO good. So ridiculous.

UVA is full of in state students who turned down the likes of Duke, Georgetown, Vandy, Emory, Northwestern, Wash U, etc. It also has students who turned down Cornell and other “lower Ivies.” I am sure it does not have a whole lot of students who turned down Harvard, Yale, Stanford, or Princeton, but no other school does either.

Dean J’s point, which is that because it is such a large school that gets so many applicants and enrolls so many top students that it would be impossible for admissions to effectively guess who isn’t seriously interested in attending in order to “yield protect” rings a lot more true than the rantings of some crazed suburban mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Dean J:

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2007

Yield Protection
Years ago, when I was just a wee student worker in an admission office far, far away, an admission officer showed me an article in the Wall Street Journal about a new practice that was growing in popularity. Interestingly, when I looked the article up this morning, I found that it was written by none other than Dan Golden, the author of The Price of Admission. Anyway, that's not the point...

The article was about the practice that is sometimes referred to as "yield protection". Schools that use this "strategy" often waitlist top applicants under the assumption that those students are using the school as a safety and will opt to go elsewhere when they make their final decision. This has become common enough that outside consulting groups offer to give admission officers some sort of predictive rating for each applicant (don't ask me the details of that process...I don't know much beyond the fact that it exists).

Here and there, I'm asked about this practice and whether it's used at UVa. We do not practice yield protection at all. The applicant pool here is so broad that it'd be hard to compile a profile for a student who wouldn't enroll. I think the practice might be more popular at smaller schools.

Her bolding. Not mine.

So she’s lying, I guess?

Please.

2007??

NP. Remember that on this forum people worship Dean J.

It’s not a matter of “worshiping“ Dean J, it’s a matter of not being a ridiculous conspiracy theorist. When one of the deans of admission of the school puts in bold letters that they do not practice yield protection, I am going to believe her over some crazed anonymous NOVA mom who is all pissed off that her kid wasn’t good enough to get into the school so turns things around and says, no, my kid was actually TOO good. So ridiculous.

UVA is full of in state students who turned down the likes of Duke, Georgetown, Vandy, Emory, Northwestern, Wash U, etc. It also has students who turned down Cornell and other “lower Ivies.” I am sure it does not have a whole lot of students who turned down Harvard, Yale, Stanford, or Princeton, but no other school does either.

Dean J’s point, which is that because it is such a large school that gets so many applicants and enrolls so many top students that it would be impossible for admissions to effectively guess who isn’t seriously interested in attending in order to “yield protect” rings a lot more true than the rantings of some crazed suburban mom.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

DP: are you claiming that the students lied about their race in their essays and were admitted ED this year?

No. They used their background to create a new life story. I guess anyone could do that but it doesn’t make it right.

How would you know? That’s a lot of knowledge that the average person would not have about the situation. You would need to know what was in this student’s application- GPA, ECs and essays, know what wasn’t true in that application also know what was in other people’s application and know the college definitely picked them because of the made believe essay. Unless you are a guidance counselor, lawyer, or priest - I don’t see how you would know everyone’s business enough to make this statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know two of the ACHS kids that got in. Both applied as URM and both are lying. One of them is also just a massive POS as a person as is their mother.

Psst. Hey sweetie. Not sure if you're aware, but race-based affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. It doesn't matter if they're lying (assuming they even exist).

Hey Sweetie, Don’t know if you heard, but kids can write about it in their supplemental diversity essay or common app essay and it can be used that way.

They can also use the kid’s name and zip code.

DP here. It is absolutely used, without a doubt. I know students who would have not otherwise been admitted.

OFC it's used. It's just not "quotas" and it's not explicit. There are LOTS of proxies for affirmative-action of all types to achieve the race, gender, SES, etc. mix the schools want. Anyone who doesn't admit that is pretty willfully ignorant.

I'm not commenting on the right/wrong of doing so. But, it is possible to get what they want w/o the traditional understind of "affirmative action."