Hunter’s plea deal

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Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


This is the real question. What Hunter Biden is pleading to is unusual in American criminal proceedings. IOW, he is being prosecuted BECAUSE he is the president's son. Those thinking he is getting off light as a special favor simply don't understand what is normal in these circumstances.


The issue isn't that Hunter Biden filed his taxes a few months late - he failed to pay taxes on $1.5 million in income in 2017-2019 - so he's owed this money for many years. He also owes $145,000 on $400,000 in income from 2014, but the statute of limitations has expired because DOJ didn't act quickly enough. Said another way, he stole $145,000 from tax payers and got away with it because the statute of limitations expired. And this crime was discovered in plenty of time before the SoL expired, but DOJ would not investigate.


I have to stop myself from screaming into the void

So you're telling me that Trump people suddenly care... about paying taxes?

And about people in power's kids making bank in foreign lands?

And about possible public corruption?

I don't think Hunter Biden is a great guy - but he was investigated and he is being prosecuted, and we've seen ZERO evidence that Joe Biden was involved with any of Hunter's money making adventures (unlike, say, Javanka! Or Cocaine Bear Jr). I don't even know where to get started with you people and your ASTONISHING hypocrisy. Tell me how you're feeling about documents today while you're at it!

PS: most normal Americans don't care about Hunter Biden.


Suddenly leftists don’t care about:

people not paying their fair share in taxes

people illegally owning a gun

white privilege



I don't see one single "leftist" objecting to Hunter being prosecuted. Where have you seen anyone say that if he committed a crime, he should face justice for it.

And by the way, it's Democrats who want more enforcement of tax laws - it's REPUBLICANS who are screaming about that.

Most of us believe in criminal justice reform, so we're not exactly screaming about how he needs to be locked up for a decade over this stuff that resulted in exactly no one being hurt. And who knows what's going to happen now that the plea is scrapped (I haven't paid enough attention to know what would happen now, if anyone does know). Let the justice system do what the justice system will do!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


This is the real question. What Hunter Biden is pleading to is unusual in American criminal proceedings. IOW, he is being prosecuted BECAUSE he is the president's son. Those thinking he is getting off light as a special favor simply don't understand what is normal in these circumstances.


The issue isn't that Hunter Biden filed his taxes a few months late - he failed to pay taxes on $1.5 million in income in 2017-2019 - so he's owed this money for many years. He also owes $145,000 on $400,000 in income from 2014, but the statute of limitations has expired because DOJ didn't act quickly enough. Said another way, he stole $145,000 from tax payers and got away with it because the statute of limitations expired. And this crime was discovered in plenty of time before the SoL expired, but DOJ would not investigate.


I have to stop myself from screaming into the void

So you're telling me that Trump people suddenly care... about paying taxes?

And about people in power's kids making bank in foreign lands?

And about possible public corruption?

I don't think Hunter Biden is a great guy - but he was investigated and he is being prosecuted, and we've seen ZERO evidence that Joe Biden was involved with any of Hunter's money making adventures (unlike, say, Javanka! Or Cocaine Bear Jr). I don't even know where to get started with you people and your ASTONISHING hypocrisy. Tell me how you're feeling about documents today while you're at it!

PS: most normal Americans don't care about Hunter Biden.


Suddenly leftists don’t care about:

people not paying their fair share in taxes

people illegally owning a gun

white privilege



I don't see one single "leftist" objecting to Hunter being prosecuted. Where have you seen anyone say that if he committed a crime, he should face justice for it.

And by the way, it's Democrats who want more enforcement of tax laws - it's REPUBLICANS who are screaming about that.

Most of us believe in criminal justice reform, so we're not exactly screaming about how he needs to be locked up for a decade over this stuff that resulted in exactly no one being hurt. And who knows what's going to happen now that the plea is scrapped (I haven't paid enough attention to know what would happen now, if anyone does know). Let the justice system do what the justice system will do!


*shouldn't* face justice
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


Do you know what FARA is about?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The problem is that right wing media and Trump hyped MAGA idiots up about this for years and now that it’s over they are stunned.



I think you are omitting the people who are most stunned
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


This is the real question. What Hunter Biden is pleading to is unusual in American criminal proceedings. IOW, he is being prosecuted BECAUSE he is the president's son. Those thinking he is getting off light as a special favor simply don't understand what is normal in these circumstances.


The issue isn't that Hunter Biden filed his taxes a few months late - he failed to pay taxes on $1.5 million in income in 2017-2019 - so he's owed this money for many years. He also owes $145,000 on $400,000 in income from 2014, but the statute of limitations has expired because DOJ didn't act quickly enough. Said another way, he stole $145,000 from tax payers and got away with it because the statute of limitations expired. And this crime was discovered in plenty of time before the SoL expired, but DOJ would not investigate.


I have to stop myself from screaming into the void

So you're telling me that Trump people suddenly care... about paying taxes?

And about people in power's kids making bank in foreign lands?

And about possible public corruption?

I don't think Hunter Biden is a great guy - but he was investigated and he is being prosecuted, and we've seen ZERO evidence that Joe Biden was involved with any of Hunter's money making adventures (unlike, say, Javanka! Or Cocaine Bear Jr). I don't even know where to get started with you people and your ASTONISHING hypocrisy. Tell me how you're feeling about documents today while you're at it!

PS: most normal Americans don't care about Hunter Biden.


Suddenly leftists don’t care about:

people not paying their fair share in taxes

people illegally owning a gun

white privilege



Wonder why you conservatives are not supporting Biden?

Not paying taxes is a big conservative thing. Maybe because he paid his back taxes and penalties?

Did not know conservatives believed laws should make gun ownership illegal? Specially laws that create a national register of gun owners. Learn something new every day!

The white nationalist party complaining about white privilege? Really?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


Hunter never registered as a foreign agent.

Just think... we have a person who has worked as a foreign agent for governments hostile to the US (and never registered as one) living in the White House.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/


Your link is from 2020, three years ago.


And it doesn't really leave the Biden family smelling like roses either.


I find the most interesting section of the fact check to be the section below on business dealings between highly connected Americans and Chinese entities. Since there is enough blame to go around, can we all agree that there should be some limits placed on such activities?

"For better or worse, these sorts of ties are common, and legal, among world leaders. "A wide range of China experts told PolitiFact that it’s not unusual for Chinese government and businesses interests to court prominent Americans or their family members."

*Neil Bush, the younger brother of then-President George W. Bush, testified in a March 2003 divorce proceeding about a $2 million stock deal with Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., a firm backed by the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

HNA Group, a Chinese conglomerate, offered to buy a hedge fund owned by former White House official Anthony Scaramucci; retained the legal services of Gary Locke, the former U.S. ambassador to China, shortly before his confirmation; and provided financing to a private-equity firm backed by Jeb Bush, according to a 2019 account in the Intercept.

The Bank of China added Angela Chao, the sister of Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and sister-in-law of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to its board of directors, the Intercept reported.

President Trump and his family have faced questions of possible conflicts of interest as well, including the granting of Chinese trademarks to Trump’s daughter Ivanka, who owned a fashion line.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.


Lol sure. The US Atty is a political appointee and was pointed by Trump. He and the judge are full on maga. The problem occurred because both were trying to out maga each other. Good thing for Biden to walk away from this. Biden should request a new judge.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.


The facts of this plea deal really make the conduct of both the prosecution and the defense appear both incompetent and arrogant in that they expected a judge to buy off on the plea deal.

The plea agreement itself is bare bones and doesn't cover important details; for example, the scope of the immunity Hunter was to receive. Typically, such an agreement would call out that Hunter would not be prosecuted for the tax years in question, and for the gun charge. But in no universe I have ever seen would Hunter ever obtain broad blanket immunity, including for causes of action that had nothing to do with taxes or the gun. The judge was simply doing her job, asking the most basic questions that have to be asked for anyone entering a plea deal. Indeed, she has an obligation to make sure the defendant understands the plea agreement and its scope and details.

The arrangement fell apart when the judge asked a few simple questions - as any judge no matter their political pedigree must ask. When she asked about the scope of the immunity, the defense indicated it was universal. The judge asked the prosecution if this was the case, and whether any deals had ever been offered like this in the past. What was the US Attorney to say? Yes, there have been universal immunity deals in the past? Of course not. Was this in the bare bones agreement? Of course not. The deal was toast right then and there. What the defense did - and it was slick if you expected it to work - was to put the universal immunity understanding in the diversion document for the gun charge. This had to be done with the US Attorney's knowledge and consent so we have the unusual situation where the defense and prosecution were essentially on the same side. Of course this could not continue once the judge with the mildest of questions put the deal to public scrutiny.

There is no precedent for the diversion program either. Hunter was never formally charged on the gun charge. Now, you can enter a plea agreement without formal charges, but diversion is a sentencing option and to date the DOJ has required a formal charge to make it available for felonies of this type. One can guess why it was attempted otherwise here. I get it though - if you formally charge Hunter with the gun charge so as to make diversion proto-typically available the relevant statute calls for up to 10 years in prison. A serious felony, especially to an administration committed to getting illegal guns off the streets. Indeed Hunter shows why the statute has such penalties. In the throes of a major drug addiction, he denies drug use, buys the gun and it ends up found in a dumpster. Just the kind of thing the Biden administration wants to prevent. So this diversion thing was cooked up, and had key plea details buried within it. Both the prosecution and the defense were unraveled with a few simple questions.

I understand the political nature of all of this and how badly some want to move past this. But there are hundreds of plea deals accepted in federal courts every working day, and to expect a judge not to ask basic foundational questions - by the way - many of which are supposed to be of benefit to the defendant - simply blows my mind.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


This is the real question. What Hunter Biden is pleading to is unusual in American criminal proceedings. IOW, he is being prosecuted BECAUSE he is the president's son. Those thinking he is getting off light as a special favor simply don't understand what is normal in these circumstances.


The issue isn't that Hunter Biden filed his taxes a few months late - he failed to pay taxes on $1.5 million in income in 2017-2019 - so he's owed this money for many years. He also owes $145,000 on $400,000 in income from 2014, but the statute of limitations has expired because DOJ didn't act quickly enough. Said another way, he stole $145,000 from tax payers and got away with it because the statute of limitations expired. And this crime was discovered in plenty of time before the SoL expired, but DOJ would not investigate.


I have to stop myself from screaming into the void

So you're telling me that Trump people suddenly care... about paying taxes?

And about people in power's kids making bank in foreign lands?

And about possible public corruption?

I don't think Hunter Biden is a great guy - but he was investigated and he is being prosecuted, and we've seen ZERO evidence that Joe Biden was involved with any of Hunter's money making adventures (unlike, say, Javanka! Or Cocaine Bear Jr). I don't even know where to get started with you people and your ASTONISHING hypocrisy. Tell me how you're feeling about documents today while you're at it!

PS: most normal Americans don't care about Hunter Biden.


Suddenly leftists don’t care about:

people not paying their fair share in taxes

people illegally owning a gun

white privilege



Wonder why you conservatives are not supporting Biden?

Not paying taxes is a big conservative thing. Maybe because he paid his back taxes and penalties?

Did not know conservatives believed laws should make gun ownership illegal? Specially laws that create a national register of gun owners. Learn something new every day!

The white nationalist party complaining about white privilege? Really?


No, he didn't. He owes hundred of thousands from 2014. But, since the statute of limitations has expired, he will never be forced to pay them.
And, Hunter Biden didn't pay the taxes that were paid. His BFF, Kevin Morris did. One has to wonder if the money that bank records show foreign monies going to 9 people - one of which cannot be identified - if that person was Kevin Morris.

Fast-forward to 2014, when Joe Biden was vice president and a corrupt Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, put Hunter Biden on its board of directors. According to WB2, Burisma paid Hunter Biden $666,667 that year to do little or no work. Hunter Biden received the money, WB2 explained, and then moved it to a Chinese company run by one of his associates. That company then "loaned" the money to Hunter Biden.

"So imagine this," WB2 said. "If you are an owner of a company and your friend tells you that, 'I want to pay my wages to your company, and you're going to loan the money back to me,' that's essentially what happened here. He took loans from that corporation ... and he didn't pay taxes on those loans. ... So essentially, for 2014, we found that Hunter didn't report any of the money he earned from Burisma." The problem, WB2 said, was: "You can't loan yourself your own income."

A House Republican lawyer asked: "So none of this was taxed?" WB2 responded: "None of it was taxed." The lawyer said: "And to date, none of it has been paid or prosecuted?" WB2 responded: "So none of this has been paid or prosecuted. And I would also like to note that the statute [of limitations] has run out on these tax years or on the 2014 tax year." The year 2014 was not part of the misdemeanor charges against Hunter Biden. As far as the IRS and Justice Department are concerned, that's all over.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/stuff-hunter-biden-didnt-get-indicted
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.


Lol sure. The US Atty is a political appointee and was pointed by Trump. He and the judge are full on maga. The problem occurred because both were trying to out maga each other. Good thing for Biden to walk away from this. Biden should request a new judge.


Wonderful narrative that is literally contradicted by the facts at every turn. The rational adults have now entered the conversation. This won't be ending well for the Biden family or poor Merrick Garland.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.


Lol sure. The US Atty is a political appointee and was pointed by Trump. He and the judge are full on maga. The problem occurred because both were trying to out maga each other. Good thing for Biden to walk away from this. Biden should request a new judge.


Wonderful narrative that is literally contradicted by the facts at every turn. The rational adults have now entered the conversation. This won't be ending well for the Biden family or poor Merrick Garland.


And, to note.... the judge is actually a Democrat.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce?


The judge’s nomination was fully supported by Delaware’s 2 Democratic senators. The US Atty is also a nonpartisan type. This appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! Appointed by Trump! dog won’t hunt.


Lol sure. The US Atty is a political appointee and was pointed by Trump. He and the judge are full on maga. The problem occurred because both were trying to out maga each other. Good thing for Biden to walk away from this. Biden should request a new judge.


Wonderful narrative that is literally contradicted by the facts at every turn. The rational adults have now entered the conversation. This won't be ending well for the Biden family or poor Merrick Garland.


And, to note.... the judge is actually a Democrat.


"Maryellen Noreika has been considered a potential nominee for a federal judgeship in the Federal Circuit by President Joe Biden.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryellen_Noreika

Gee, I wonder if that plan is still going to be in effect!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


Do you know what FARA is about?


FARA is to identify yourself if you are and American working on influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Not for doing business with a foreign company.

Tell me what work Hunter did in influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a private company or citizen doing business overseas without FARA registration is a major crime then that means thousands and thousands of Americans and American companies are criminals.

If lying about whether you ever did drugs on your 4473 is a major felony then millions of gun owners are major felons.

If filing your taxes a few months late is a major crime requiring you go to prison then millions of Americans need to go to prison.

So... When are we going to prosecute the rest of America for these crimes, and if not, why not?


Do you know what FARA is about?


FARA is to identify yourself if you are and American working on influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.

Not for doing business with a foreign company.

Tell me what work Hunter did in influencing American public opinion, policy, and laws on behalf of a foreign government.


Exactly. Hunter was hired and paid millions because of his specialized knowledge of Ukrainian oil and gas reserves. His work history is littered with experience extracting valuable fossil fuels efficiently.

Why else would Burisma pay him millions?
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