How many times have you had Covid?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the number of relatively young people I know, or am hearing about who suddenly have had small clots. They’re having strokes, heart attacks, kidney damage caused by small closet. Some of them died. Most have had treatment and survived but who knows what the long-term effects are going to be. These are young people. No mostly not in their 20s, but 30 to 50-year-olds. Non-smokers, good health, not people you would expect to suddenly have a small stroke or a heart attack. I am in my late 50s and have not experienced this level of hearing about people with clotting issues before. I don’t know that it’s due to Covid, but honestly it would make a lot of sense.

I don’t believe you

By “know” PP means people that she has read about online in Covid crazy forums.

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-takes-serious-toll-heart-health-full-year-after-recovery

In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected.

Are you saying you know a lot of young people that receive their health care at a VA hospital/facility?

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I have never tested positive. Neither have my children. DH has had it once.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

This is a very good point. It is sad how unnecessarily warped young people have been.

It would be if it were not full of lies.

What lies? I imagine this is a pointless question as some people are determined to believe COVID is a serious threat to everyone and we're all at risk of death or long covid or whatever and will come armed with their highly selective, often based on skewed data, stats or twitters to prove a point. Meanwhile, in the real world out there - life goes on. Most people have long left COVID behind. That tells you something.

That many people cannot understand science, especially if they want to live life like it's 2019?
That most people can not have empathy for a situation until it directly affects them?

Life could still go on with some modifications that keep everyone much safer, but wont as long as majority want to be an ostrich.

I think the biggest lesson learned from Covid is the fact that the majority of people do not have empathy unless it’s a situation that directly affects them. This is essentially why the planet is ultimately doomed- either by climate change or another pandemic.

The same could just as easily be said of the people that wanted restrictive covid measures to continue without regard for the impact they had on others.

Defensive much? No one is talking about restrictive measures for all- this response just highlights your narcissism and lack of empathy for making this all about YOU. What actually is a huge lack of empathy when it comes to Covid is the disregard for the vulnerable and the willingness to throw them under the bus because you don’t want to wear a mask at the oncologist’s office. No one has asked you to stop “living your life” but to have a little respect for people who are way less privileged than you. Next.

Do you really not see the irony of telling me that I’m the one making this all about me when you’re the one expecting everyone else to change their behavior for your benefit?

I didn’t ask anyone to change behavior for my benefit. Please show me where I said that - I maybe suggested wearing masks in healthcare settings but that was it. I said Covid had revealed a lack of empathy for the vulnerable and people without privilege, health privilege and otherwise. Please point me to the place I asked “everyone else” to change their behavior for MY benefit. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:According to trumpet idiot antivaxers we should all be dead

2021 trumpets said anyone vaccinated would be dead in Two years .

Given those morons who did not vax died at a higher rate and clearly two years we all still on this board typing away.

Winning is glorious

And according to the covidians, we should all be dead from covid or post-covid complications. Or, at least, civilization should have collapsed as hospitals and morgues overflowed and long Covid left people unable to work.

It turns out a lot of people are incredibly bad at understanding risk.

But Brookings says an estimated 4 million people are unable to work due to long Covid. That’s not insignificant. So those 4 million people don’t matter to you? Just because you can’t see the impact of Covid in your delusional little bubble doesn’t mean there isn’t an impact on innocent people.

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A new study is defining the 12 symptoms that categorize Long Covid and I’m guessing a lot of people are about to find out they don’t actually have Long Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:A new study is defining the 12 symptoms that categorize Long Covid and I’m guessing a lot of people are about to find out they don’t actually have Long Covid.

That study was cited a few pages back. Symptoms include “issues with sexual desire or capacity” and “thirst.” What I’m not clear on is if you report having just one of these symptoms six months out, are you officially a long-hauler?

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the number of relatively young people I know, or am hearing about who suddenly have had small clots. They’re having strokes, heart attacks, kidney damage caused by small closet. Some of them died. Most have had treatment and survived but who knows what the long-term effects are going to be. These are young people. No mostly not in their 20s, but 30 to 50-year-olds. Non-smokers, good health, not people you would expect to suddenly have a small stroke or a heart attack. I am in my late 50s and have not experienced this level of hearing about people with clotting issues before. I don’t know that it’s due to Covid, but honestly it would make a lot of sense.

I don’t believe you

By “know” PP means people that she has read about online in Covid crazy forums.

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-takes-serious-toll-heart-health-full-year-after-recovery

In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected.

This study is cited so many times as some sort of gotcha. The average age of the (mostly) men in this study was early 60s and they were all unvaccinated. Over half of them were obese and over half were either current or former smokers.

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Anonymous wrote:A new study is defining the 12 symptoms that categorize Long Covid and I’m guessing a lot of people are about to find out they don’t actually have Long Covid.

That study was cited a few pages back. Symptoms include “issues with sexual desire or capacity” and “thirst.” What I’m not clear on is if you report having just one of these symptoms six months out, are you officially a long-hauler?

I couldn’t read 13 pages of this so thanks for pointing out it was already mentioned. Presumably you’ll need to meet a majority of the symptoms to be diagnosed with long Covid. “I am thirsty and still get headaches” isn’t long covid and a lot of people who insist on self diagnosing with “long covid” are going to let real health issues go undiagnosed.

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Anonymous wrote:Until I saw this post, I hadn’t thought of COVID all week. Amazing. It’s like it never happened and we’ve all returned to our senses. Remember when people thought we were all going to die any time we left the house? Let’s not do that ever again, mmkay?

You have to be one of the more delusional and/or ignorant posters I have seen in a long time.

More Americans died from COVID than ANY US war. More than one million died of a disease that did not exist five years ago.

And you think we all over-reacted??

This is Memorial day weekend. How many ceremonies will be held, and statues laid with wreaths to honor our war dead. Think of the most devastating war in your mind.

MORE people died of COVID than any of our wars, Let that sink in (those of you who don't even see it in your rearview mirror???)

COVID isn't a warring enemy. In war, bombs don't care who they kill. Old, young, everyone in between. The people who died of COVID were disproportionately elderly and in poor health. Hugely so. The vast majority of COVID deaths were among people with significant comorbidities. Huge, enormous overlap. Given we're now two full years post the peak COVID deaths, a good chunk of the people who died of COVID would have died by now of something else. By contrast, COVID wasn't killing classrooms of kids or people out shopping at supermarkets when a stray bomb fell on it.

I'm 42 in excellent health and no known health problems. The odds of dying from COVID is next to none. Like the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who get COVID, it will be nothing more than a pesky feverish cold for a few days and then back to normal.

Probably the saddest outcome of COVID isn't the elderly and sick who lost a bit of life they otherwise would have lived, but the younger people who had no reason to fear COVID but who have become damaged by COVID fears that they are not able to accurately and pragmatically measure the risks.

This is a very good point. It is sad how unnecessarily warped young people have been.

It would be if it were not full of lies.

What lies? I imagine this is a pointless question as some people are determined to believe COVID is a serious threat to everyone and we're all at risk of death or long covid or whatever and will come armed with their highly selective, often based on skewed data, stats or twitters to prove a point. Meanwhile, in the real world out there - life goes on. Most people have long left COVID behind. That tells you something.

That many people cannot understand science, especially if they want to live life like it's 2019?
That most people can not have empathy for a situation until it directly affects them?

Life could still go on with some modifications that keep everyone much safer, but wont as long as majority want to be an ostrich.

I think the biggest lesson learned from Covid is the fact that the majority of people do not have empathy unless it’s a situation that directly affects them. This is essentially why the planet is ultimately doomed- either by climate change or another pandemic.

The same could just as easily be said of the people that wanted restrictive covid measures to continue without regard for the impact they had on others.

Defensive much? No one is talking about restrictive measures for all- this response just highlights your narcissism and lack of empathy for making this all about YOU. What actually is a huge lack of empathy when it comes to Covid is the disregard for the vulnerable and the willingness to throw them under the bus because you don’t want to wear a mask at the oncologist’s office. No one has asked you to stop “living your life” but to have a little respect for people who are way less privileged than you. Next.

Do you really not see the irony of telling me that I’m the one making this all about me when you’re the one expecting everyone else to change their behavior for your benefit?

I didn’t ask anyone to change behavior for my benefit. Please show me where I said that - I maybe suggested wearing masks in healthcare settings but that was it. I said Covid had revealed a lack of empathy for the vulnerable and people without privilege, health privilege and otherwise. Please point me to the place I asked “everyone else” to change their behavior for MY benefit. I’ll wait.

Yes, I’m sure your comment about living life "like it's 2019" was simply referring to people going to the oncologist's office without wearing a mask.

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Anonymous wrote:A new study is defining the 12 symptoms that categorize Long Covid and I’m guessing a lot of people are about to find out they don’t actually have Long Covid.

Yes. This list does not appear to include anxiety and depression, which the CDC has included in its list of long covid symptoms. Excluding anxiety and depression would likely reduce reported incidence. Also, incidence is affected by whether classification is based on self-reporting or clinical diagnosis.

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Anonymous wrote:According to trumpet idiot antivaxers we should all be dead

2021 trumpets said anyone vaccinated would be dead in Two years .

Given those morons who did not vax died at a higher rate and clearly two years we all still on this board typing away.

Winning is glorious

And according to the covidians, we should all be dead from covid or post-covid complications. Or, at least, civilization should have collapsed as hospitals and morgues overflowed and long Covid left people unable to work.

It turns out a lot of people are incredibly bad at understanding risk.

But Brookings says an estimated 4 million people are unable to work due to long Covid. That’s not insignificant. So those 4 million people don’t matter to you? Just because you can’t see the impact of Covid in your delusional little bubble doesn’t mean there isn’t an impact on innocent people.

Brookings estimated anywhere from 2-4 million back in August of 2022. In October 2022, only two months later, they published an article titled “How much is long COVID reducing labor force participation? Not much (so far)”

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Anonymous wrote:According to trumpet idiot antivaxers we should all be dead

2021 trumpets said anyone vaccinated would be dead in Two years .

Given those morons who did not vax died at a higher rate and clearly two years we all still on this board typing away.

Winning is glorious

And according to the covidians, we should all be dead from covid or post-covid complications. Or, at least, civilization should have collapsed as hospitals and morgues overflowed and long Covid left people unable to work.

It turns out a lot of people are incredibly bad at understanding risk.

But Brookings says an estimated 4 million people are unable to work due to long Covid. That’s not insignificant. So those 4 million people don’t matter to you? Just because you can’t see the impact of Covid in your delusional little bubble doesn’t mean there isn’t an impact on innocent people.

Here’s a very recent transcript from a Brookings podcast, in which the guests estimate that as of December 2022, 700,000 workers left the labor force because of long Covid, but a greater number—790,000–left the labor force because of fear of Covid.

https://www.brookings.edu/podcast-episode/why-havent-workers-returned-to-the-labor-force-after-covid-19/

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe the number of relatively young people I know, or am hearing about who suddenly have had small clots. They’re having strokes, heart attacks, kidney damage caused by small closet. Some of them died. Most have had treatment and survived but who knows what the long-term effects are going to be. These are young people. No mostly not in their 20s, but 30 to 50-year-olds. Non-smokers, good health, not people you would expect to suddenly have a small stroke or a heart attack. I am in my late 50s and have not experienced this level of hearing about people with clotting issues before. I don’t know that it’s due to Covid, but honestly it would make a lot of sense.

I don’t believe you

By “know” PP means people that she has read about online in Covid crazy forums.

https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-takes-serious-toll-heart-health-full-year-after-recovery

In an analysis of more than 11 million U.S. veterans’ health records, researchers found the risk of 20 different heart and vessel maladies was substantially increased in veterans who had COVID-19 1 year earlier, compared with those who didn’t. The risk rose with severity of initial disease and extended to every outcome the team examined, including heart attacks, arrhythmias, strokes, cardiac arrest, and more. Even people who never went to the hospital had more cardiovascular disease than those who were never infected.

This study is cited so many times as some sort of gotcha. The average age of the (mostly) men in this study was early 60s and they were all unvaccinated. Over half of them were obese and over half were either current or former smokers.

It's not cited as "some sort of gotcha". It's cited because it was a very large study that showed a large correlation between having COVID and later developing hea

rt attack, stroke, cardiac arrest and arrhythmia. Yes, people were mostly unvaccinated.

As for your comment that half of the men were obese and smokers, also true, however the researchers did control for that variable.

"The researchers controlled for the possibility that the people who contracted COVID-19 were already more prone to developing cardiovascular disease. They found that “COVID is an equal opportunity offender,” Al-Aly says. “We found an increased risk of cardiovascular problems in old people and in young people, in people with diabetes and without diabetes, in people with obesity and people without obesity, in people who smoked and who never smoked.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to trumpet idiot antivaxers we should all be dead

2021 trumpets said anyone vaccinated would be dead in Two years .

Given those morons who did not vax died at a higher rate and clearly two years we all still on this board typing away.

Winning is glorious

And according to the covidians, we should all be dead from covid or post-covid complications. Or, at least, civilization should have collapsed as hospitals and morgues overflowed and long Covid left people unable to work.

It turns out a lot of people are incredibly bad at understanding risk.

But Brookings says an estimated 4 million people are unable to work due to long Covid. That’s not insignificant. So those 4 million people don’t matter to you? Just because you can’t see the impact of Covid in your delusional little bubble doesn’t mean there isn’t an impact on innocent people.

Does 4 million people being "unable to work" due to long COVID seem like a plausible number to you? It should have at least given you enough pause to re-read the Brookings claim. It estimated that 2-4 million had their work "impacted." And beyond that, their methodology was hardly rigorous, basing it on self-reported data that didn't adjust for the high rate of "long covid" symptoms that can't be attributed to covid. And combining data from different studies that used different selection criteria, greatly increasing the risk of compounding error.

You don't need to look far to find a study with very different conclusions-- a slightly more formal follow-up study by the Brookings Institute:
How Much is Long COVID Reducing Labor Force Participation? Not Much (So Far)

"Decomposing our total estimate into the effect of long COVID and the effect of remote work, we estimate that about 420,000 workers ages 16-64 likely left the labor force because of long COVID, with a reasonable range of 281,000 to 683,000 (0.2% to 0.4% of the labor force)."

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Anonymous wrote:According to trumpet idiot antivaxers we should all be dead

2021 trumpets said anyone vaccinated would be dead in Two years .

Given those morons who did not vax died at a higher rate and clearly two years we all still on this board typing away.

Winning is glorious

And according to Biden, the past couple of winters were going to be "Winters of death" for the unvaxed. A huge majority of unvaxed people made it through both winters just fine, and are out living their lives normally.