Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church
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Anonymous
Yes, but if she had been raised with something awful, she'd be singing a different tune. I'm with the "Kids are going to do what they want" poster. We each eventually find our own path, irrespective of how we are raised. |
Anonymous
Where? A Christian school in NC and 2 stories behind a paid firewall is your evidence? |
Anonymous
A private Christian school in North Carolina baptized 100 students without informing their parents, causing frustration and outrage from upset parents who say they missed an important moment in their child’s spiritual upbringing. The baptism bonanza was part of “Spiritual Emphasis Week” at Northwood Temple Academy in Fayetteville, North Carolina. However, the initial plan was only to baptize a handful of children on the morning of September 1st, in celebration of the conclusion of the weeklong event. But the three scheduled baptisms turned into over 100, as students saw their friends get baptized, and spontaneously joined in the fun. Instructors allegedly made no attempt to stop them, and parents aren't happy. A Baptism Battle “Today we had over 100 middle and high school students spontaneously declare their faith and get baptized today,” said a social media post from the school the following evening. But what the school thought was an exciting announcement of a powerful spiritual moment quickly turned into a baptism by fire for the Christian academy. The baptisms, the school says, were spontaneous. Students saw their friends get baptized, and wanted to join in. The school made no attempt to stop the students, because they were overwhelmed by what they say was a beautiful moment. At the end of the day, more than 100 students were baptized without parental presence or consent. The way head of the school Renee McLamb describes it, it almost sounds like an unstoppable wave of spirituality overtook the students. As she wrote in an email to parents, “truly, the Lord began to move this morning and we were so excited about what the Lord was doing. Several students had given their lives to the Lord during Spiritual Emphasis Week and they were scheduled to be baptized this morning. But the Spirit of the Lord moved and the invitation to accept the Lord and be baptized was given and the students just began to respond to the presence of the Lord.” But is feeling the Lord’s presence enough of an excuse for impulsively baptizing students without parental involvement? Sorry, Not Sorry At least a few parents were outraged over the unexpected baptisms. As one parent related to local news outlets, "my daughter calls me from the school and says, 'Mama, can you bring me some dry clothes? I got baptized today.’ I said ‘WHAT?’” One parent worried that the baptism would override the previous baptism her child already received in church, and others were angry that they missed an important moment in the lives of their children. https://www.themonastery.org/blog/christian-school-baptizes-one-hundred-students-without-parental-permission |
Anonymous
Yes the school in NC and the stories behind the firewall. Also the settlement agreement that was linked in that same post: https://apnews.com/article/2d6fc1d745f8db6042b4dbe99160ecaf If it helps, here are some news stories about it: https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2020/05/geauga-county-couple-settles-lawsuit-that-claimed-evangelical-church-forcibly-baptized-disabled-son.html https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/geauga-county/mother-special-needs-son-forcibly-baptized/95-315765150 And yes to the to the Orlando articles, which you can see before the firewall if you don't want to pay. I'll paste one of them below for you: LAKE HELEN CHURCH HIT WITH 2ND SUIT By Charlene Hager-Van Dyke of The Sentinel Staff Orlando Sentinel • Oct 30, 1996 at 12:00 am DELAND — A second mother and child have sued a Lake Helen church saying the pastor and two directors "committed battery" on the boy who was baptized without his or his parents' consent. The suit - filed in Volusia County court by Heidi Zawacki and her 10-year-old son, David - is against the Rev. Lamar Breedlove, pastor of Central Fellowship Baptist Church on Kicklighter Road, and church directors Randy Taylor and George Reaser. The action seeks a jury trial, compensatory damages, court costs and more than $5,000 for counseling and medical treatment. "My clients aren't out to recover an astronomical amount in damages, but the child has AD-HD (attention-deficit hyper disorder) and they've incurred costs because of this," Randy Griffiths, attorney for the Zawackis said Tuesday. Eight-year-old Sarah Xanders and her mother, Sherry Braithwaite, filed a similar suit last month against Breedlove and the church saying the two "intentionally forced baptism upon her, without consent of her parents." An attorney representing Breedlove, the directors and the church in both suits has filed motions to dismiss both cases. David Zawacki was baptized March 17 after sleeping at a friend's and going to church the next day. "He came home and said he was saved, but then he started crying and told me they wanted him to take off all of his clothes," his mother said. Later he had nightmares and refused to go to his church, where he was baptized as an infant. Taylor has said the church did not have a signed permission slip for David before the baptism, and Breedlove has said he will no longer perform baptisms without consent. |
Anonymous
That’s sad. Kids need more from their parents than the words: find your own path. |
Anonymous
I worked with a lady who wished she had gone to church as a child enough to know religious crossword puzzle answers, seriously she was a whiz at crosswords. |
Anonymous
“They also sued CASA for Kids of Geauga County, which employed a guardian the court-appointed to monitor care for the boy. The couple said guardian Margaret Vaughan, who also attended the church, recruited Guarnera to mentor the boy. A judge threw out the claims against the organization. The original lawsuit said the couple reported the baptism to the Geauga County Sheriff’s Office, but a deputy declined to press charges against Guarnera and Chesnes because the child suffered no physical injuries, and the pair did not have criminal intent to harm.“ Cleveland lawyer Kenneth Myers, who represented the family along with American Atheists, said in a news release that the settlement allows the family to move forward. The couple’s lawyers did not disclose the terms of the settlement. Seems like a money grab to me. The parents had to have a guardian monitor their care of their own child. That’s never a good sign. |
Anonymous
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. Can you explain? |
Anonymous
Kids have court appointed guardians for a reason. Parents suing everyone possible and receiving cash for this incident is suspect because the court says they aren’t great parents so the court appointed a guardian to help the kid make decisions on his own because parents are sus. |
Anonymous
+10000 |
Anonymous
CASA for Kids of Geauga County, employed a guardian that the court appointed to monitor care for the boy. Why did the court appoint a person to monitor the care he was receiving from his own parents? Our model and how it works CASA/GAL volunteers are appointed by judges to advocate for children’s best interests. They stay with each case until it is closed and the child is in a safe, permanent home. We serve children from birth through the age defined by state statute as the limit to youth remaining in care. Volunteers work with legal and child welfare professionals, educators and service providers to ensure that judges have all the information they need to make the most well-informed decisions for each child. Our best-interest advocacy is driven by the guiding principle that children grow and develop best with their family of origin, if that can be safely achieved. Most of the children we work with are in foster care, but some are with their family of origin. And, most children who leave foster care do so to return to their family. CASA deals with children who are the victims of abuse or neglect. CASA is appointed by judges to become guardians of abused kids. |
Anonymous
So I gather you are saying one of two things in relation to the specific issue: 1. The whole thing is made up as a money grab and no baptism ever occurred. 2. The parents don't need to consent in this instance-- because they are "sus" and/or because the guardian had such authority to consent Which one? |
Anonymous
I say neither. The child in this case was a victim of abuse or neglect by his mother, father, or both. The disabled child had a court appointed guardian because a judge saw evidence the parents weren’t properly caring for their child, and possibly abusing him. CASA only works with rough cases. When the parents found out the child had been baptized, they sued and received a settlement for cash, although they were such sucky (and possibly abusive parents) the court had to appoint an outside person to be their child’s guardian. |
Anonymous
Got it! So this is a documented instance of baptism without parental consent. |
Anonymous
Children who are victims of abuse or neglect and for whom cases have been filed in the Juvenile Court are assigned a CASA. They kid is being used by his parents for a cash grab. Poor kid. |