Woodward Boundary Study discussion at next BoE meeting

[Anonymous]

Go take a look at the map. See the pre boundary and the changes. There are no walkers at Neelsville any longer. More like what are you talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go take a look at the map. See the pre boundary and the changes. There are no walkers at Neelsville any longer. More like what are you talking about.

There no walkers at Neelsville before the boundary change. Neelsville did not have a walk zone.

[Anonymous]

So they didn’t bud Clarksburg middle school kids to a German middle school town and vis versa? Didn’t hear the new thing is community schools. Not neighborhood schools because that’s racists, but community schools is where kids now thrive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Go take a look at the map. See the pre boundary and the changes. There are no walkers at Neelsville any longer. More like what are you talking about.

There no walkers at Neelsville before the boundary change. Neelsville did not have a walk zone.

Seems like a positive change then.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

What is a "lower SES school" please?

My child attends a school where about half of kids qualify for free and reduced meals. The facilities are beautiful, many teachers are good, the principal is very good, and honestly, I hope you never do go in the school.

The posters who trash schools like yours have no first-hand experience with places like this. They just spew their own fears and insecurities. Personally, I found my child got a way better education early by attending a focus school since the class sizes were so much smaller.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

Disagree. If you are in a class with engaged students, answering questions, raising hands, participating with one another, that is not the same as being in a classroom where you are the only one sitting in the first row or two, without teacher redirection. The only student raising their hand. Repeatedly, until the teacher stops calling on you in hope that someone else will participate. Where students are not one their phones, or making noise, or banging on the walls or desks (yes, true story from my friend the substitute teacher). Let's not pretend the same opportunities to learn, or be in a safe environment in the halls or bathrooms or parking lot, present themselves at every school. A good student will have a much harder time with success IMO.

Look I get you to want to convince others of this folly because you paid extra for this "good" school, but AP English or Calc BC is the same everywhere. Sure, the school in the more affluent area may have 6 sections of AP English whereas others may have 4 but the same kid can do exactly the same at either school. And in MCPS don't try to pretend there's any real difference, kids are running around schools like Whitman and Churchill with knives this year and those schools also are infamous for the drug use.

No, this is not true. See scores at the various MCPS high schools or read commentary on AP Teacher FB groups. - AP teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

Disagree. If you are in a class with engaged students, answering questions, raising hands, participating with one another, that is not the same as being in a classroom where you are the only one sitting in the first row or two, without teacher redirection. The only student raising their hand. Repeatedly, until the teacher stops calling on you in hope that someone else will participate. Where students are not one their phones, or making noise, or banging on the walls or desks (yes, true story from my friend the substitute teacher). Let's not pretend the same opportunities to learn, or be in a safe environment in the halls or bathrooms or parking lot, present themselves at every school. A good student will have a much harder time with success IMO.

Look I get you to want to convince others of this folly because you paid extra for this "good" school, but AP English or Calc BC is the same everywhere. Sure, the school in the more affluent area may have 6 sections of AP English whereas others may have 4 but the same kid can do exactly the same at either school. And in MCPS don't try to pretend there's any real difference, kids are running around schools like Whitman and Churchill with knives this year and those schools also are infamous for the drug use.

No, this is not true. See scores at the various MCPS high schools or read commentary on AP Teacher FB groups. - AP teacher

Let me guess - overall scores tend to be higher at high schools where there are more affluent students? And teachers of AP classes chat and speculate on FB like people who aren't teachers of AP classes do?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

Disagree. If you are in a class with engaged students, answering questions, raising hands, participating with one another, that is not the same as being in a classroom where you are the only one sitting in the first row or two, without teacher redirection. The only student raising their hand. Repeatedly, until the teacher stops calling on you in hope that someone else will participate. Where students are not one their phones, or making noise, or banging on the walls or desks (yes, true story from my friend the substitute teacher). Let's not pretend the same opportunities to learn, or be in a safe environment in the halls or bathrooms or parking lot, present themselves at every school. A good student will have a much harder time with success IMO.

Look I get you to want to convince others of this folly because you paid extra for this "good" school, but AP English or Calc BC is the same everywhere. Sure, the school in the more affluent area may have 6 sections of AP English whereas others may have 4 but the same kid can do exactly the same at either school. And in MCPS don't try to pretend there's any real difference, kids are running around schools like Whitman and Churchill with knives this year and those schools also are infamous for the drug use.

No, this is not true. See scores at the various MCPS high schools or read commentary on AP Teacher FB groups. - AP teacher

I've only been teaching AP classes at MCPS for over 30 years and disagree. The same kid can do exactly the same at any of these schools. The AP curriculum is standard. Sure, there may be minor deviations in average that mirror differences in an area's SES but this is not the same as how an specific individual performs since that is more a function of their parental level of education.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

Disagree. If you are in a class with engaged students, answering questions, raising hands, participating with one another, that is not the same as being in a classroom where you are the only one sitting in the first row or two, without teacher redirection. The only student raising their hand. Repeatedly, until the teacher stops calling on you in hope that someone else will participate. Where students are not one their phones, or making noise, or banging on the walls or desks (yes, true story from my friend the substitute teacher). Let's not pretend the same opportunities to learn, or be in a safe environment in the halls or bathrooms or parking lot, present themselves at every school. A good student will have a much harder time with success IMO.

Look I get you to want to convince others of this folly because you paid extra for this "good" school, but AP English or Calc BC is the same everywhere. Sure, the school in the more affluent area may have 6 sections of AP English whereas others may have 4 but the same kid can do exactly the same at either school. And in MCPS don't try to pretend there's any real difference, kids are running around schools like Whitman and Churchill with knives this year and those schools also are infamous for the drug use.

No, this is not true. See scores at the various MCPS high schools or read commentary on AP Teacher FB groups. - AP teacher

Let me guess - overall scores tend to be higher at high schools where there are more affluent students? And teachers of AP classes chat and speculate on FB like people who aren't teachers of AP classes do?

When I read this, I often wish more teachers had a basic understanding of how statistics work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

Just talk to parents at Whitman or Wootton sometime.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

Just talk to parents at Whitman or Wootton sometime.

Whitman LITERALLY just got a beautiful addition/upgrade. Meanwhile, Eastern MS keeps getting bumped down the list for upgrades, and the SSIMS physical plant is such a mess that it creates a genuine safety risk for students.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

Just talk to parents at Whitman or Wootton sometime.

Whitman LITERALLY just got a beautiful addition/upgrade. Meanwhile, Eastern MS keeps getting bumped down the list for upgrades, and the SSIMS physical plant is such a mess that it creates a genuine safety risk for students.

Isn't PHS supposed to be falling down?