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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.

And the EC arms race certainly does not go away in college. They become more involved, competitive to even join and more time consuming, not less.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.

And the EC arms race certainly does not go away in college. They become more involved, competitive to even join and more time consuming, not less.

Depends on what you study. Engineering or CS, one EC should be more than enough. My nephews did one each in college, both well employed, 6 figure jobs. Don't think the ECs made the difference. DS in college for CS does one EC. No issues finding an internship after freshman year, continued part-time with that company soph year part time and found a FAANG internship after soph year. He has a ton of other friends whose only ECs are playing video games and smoking pot (according to him) who landed internships without issues.

'Softer' majors (e.g. Business) where you are judged on your ability to please/get along with others may need to play the EC game much like in college.

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^^ much like in High School.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ much like in High School.

Thus, conclusion is that TJ grads have much more time to do all the things that may be necessary in college to graduate with high gpa, internships, research etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.

And the EC arms race certainly does not go away in college. They become more involved, competitive to even join and more time consuming, not less.

Depends on what you study. Engineering or CS, one EC should be more than enough. My nephews did one each in college, both well employed, 6 figure jobs. Don't think the ECs made the difference. DS in college for CS does one EC. No issues finding an internship after freshman year, continued part-time with that company soph year part time and found a FAANG internship after soph year. He has a ton of other friends whose only ECs are playing video games and smoking pot (according to him) who landed internships without issues.

'Softer' majors (e.g. Business) where you are judged on your ability to please/get along with others may need to play the EC game much like in college.

I just am being told that at T10 colleges the EC arms race is intense for stem and everything else. Not sure about other places. I would say that if your stem student wants to dial down the workload while in college, avoid top colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA does not. They have consistently addmitted the top TJ kids, even though those kids go elsewhere.

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

Please provide a citation or proof -I know VT engages in yield protection; I don’t think UVA does.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

So at the price of playing a sport/club or having leisure time in high school, TJ lets you do those things in college.
In the mean time, all those kids who cruised through HS are now working harder in college and catching up with the TJ kids who front-loaded their academics in HS.

I'm still not seeing the benefit. It's looking more like a trade.

There is a benefit. The kids who front-loaded receive summer internships as CS freshmen and sophomores at the companies that pay them over $200k upon graduation. The kids who get to the level of a TJ senior when they are college juniors get hired for the jobs that pay $100k less.

Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.

I’m observing a career path of DD who graduated from TJ last year and took a lot of post-AP math and CS classes at school. Last summer, right after her HS graduation she interned as a software engineer. The company she interned for told her that based on her skill set acquired at TJ she doesn’t need to go to college at all and can continue working for them full time. As a college freshman, she learned that the most competitive companies that pay over $200k upon graduation have internship programs for freshmen - because they want to hire the best of the best. In order to receive such an internship as a freshman, a student needs to take a complicated technical test, they are expected to be able to work as software engineers at that point. When I read DCUM in the past, I was impressed that some of the CS students were offered $140k upon graduation. Now based on my DD’s experience, I know that there are companies that pay $230-270k as an entry level salary to those who interned for them as freshmen and sophomores.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

So at the price of playing a sport/club or having leisure time in high school, TJ lets you do those things in college.
In the mean time, all those kids who cruised through HS are now working harder in college and catching up with the TJ kids who front-loaded their academics in HS.

I'm still not seeing the benefit. It's looking more like a trade.

There is a benefit. The kids who front-loaded receive summer internships as CS freshmen and sophomores at the companies that pay them over $200k upon graduation. The kids who get to the level of a TJ senior when they are college juniors get hired for the jobs that pay $100k less.

Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.

I’m observing a career path of DD who graduated from TJ last year and took a lot of post-AP math and CS classes at school. Last summer, right after her HS graduation she interned as a software engineer. The company she interned for told her that based on her skill set acquired at TJ she doesn’t need to go to college at all and can continue working for them full time. As a college freshman, she learned that the most competitive companies that pay over $200k upon graduation have internship programs for freshmen - because they want to hire the best of the best. In order to receive such an internship as a freshman, a student needs to take a complicated technical test, they are expected to be able to work as software engineers at that point. When I read DCUM in the past, I was impressed that some of the CS students were offered $140k upon graduation. Now based on my DD’s experience, I know that there are companies that pay $230-270k as an entry level salary to those who interned for them as freshmen and sophomores.

First, congrats on DD. What I would say is that for CS, it isn't unusual for kids to build up an impressive background in HS...and not just at TJ. My DS will be going to a T10 school this fall. Took AP CS in 10th grade and has been doing DE CS for the past two years. Plans to be a CS major, and could probably work somewhere right now if he wanted. Similar trajectory, and didn't need TJ for that. And I can guarantee that he didn't work as hard as the TJ kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

So at the price of playing a sport/club or having leisure time in high school, TJ lets you do those things in college.
In the mean time, all those kids who cruised through HS are now working harder in college and catching up with the TJ kids who front-loaded their academics in HS.

I'm still not seeing the benefit. It's looking more like a trade.

There is a benefit. The kids who front-loaded receive summer internships as CS freshmen and sophomores at the companies that pay them over $200k upon graduation. The kids who get to the level of a TJ senior when they are college juniors get hired for the jobs that pay $100k less.

Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.

I’m observing a career path of DD who graduated from TJ last year and took a lot of post-AP math and CS classes at school. Last summer, right after her HS graduation she interned as a software engineer. The company she interned for told her that based on her skill set acquired at TJ she doesn’t need to go to college at all and can continue working for them full time. As a college freshman, she learned that the most competitive companies that pay over $200k upon graduation have internship programs for freshmen - because they want to hire the best of the best. In order to receive such an internship as a freshman, a student needs to take a complicated technical test, they are expected to be able to work as software engineers at that point. When I read DCUM in the past, I was impressed that some of the CS students were offered $140k upon graduation. Now based on my DD’s experience, I know that there are companies that pay $230-270k as an entry level salary to those who interned for them as freshmen and sophomores.

First, congrats on DD. What I would say is that for CS, it isn't unusual for kids to build up an impressive background in HS...and not just at TJ. My DS will be going to a T10 school this fall. Took AP CS in 10th grade and has been doing DE CS for the past two years. Plans to be a CS major, and could probably work somewhere right now if he wanted. Similar trajectory, and didn't need TJ for that. And I can guarantee that he didn't work as hard as the TJ kids.

For CS, it is definitely better to go to CMU than Brown or even Yale. You need to graduate from the best (MIT, Stanford, Berkeley or CMU) to get those $250K -$350K right out of college.

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Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.
I’m observing a career path of DD who graduated from TJ last year and took a lot of post-AP math and CS classes at school. Last summer, right after her HS graduation she interned as a software engineer. The company she interned for told her that based on her skill set acquired at TJ she doesn’t need to go to college at all and can continue working for them full time. As a college freshman, she learned that the most competitive companies that pay over $200k upon graduation have internship programs for freshmen - because they want to hire the best of the best. In order to receive such an internship as a freshman, a student needs to take a complicated technical test, they are expected to be able to work as software engineers at that point. When I read DCUM in the past, I was impressed that some of the CS students were offered $140k upon graduation. Now based on my DD’s experience, I know that there are companies that pay $230-270k as an entry level salary to those who interned for them as freshmen and sophomores.

That is inspirational! I will share this with my son.
Where can we find the complicated technical test?
Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.

And the EC arms race certainly does not go away in college. They become more involved, competitive to even join and more time consuming, not less.

Depends on what you study. Engineering or CS, one EC should be more than enough. My nephews did one each in college, both well employed, 6 figure jobs. Don't think the ECs made the difference. DS in college for CS does one EC. No issues finding an internship after freshman year, continued part-time with that company soph year part time and found a FAANG internship after soph year. He has a ton of other friends whose only ECs are playing video games and smoking pot (according to him) who landed internships without issues.

'Softer' majors (e.g. Business) where you are judged on your ability to please/get along with others may need to play the EC game much like in college.

I just am being told that at T10 colleges the EC arms race is intense for stem and everything else. Not sure about other places. I would say that if your stem student wants to dial down the workload while in college, avoid top colleges.

It is, if you choose it. All I'm saying that Engineering/CS kids don't have to. Most kids at T10 are the aggressive, pushy kind, even in something like CS. If your kid sees others compete for ECs they would assume that's the right thing to do and do the same. Who's out there telling them not to join that rat race? If you tell them, will they listen?

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA does not. They have consistently addmitted the top TJ kids, even though those kids go elsewhere.

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

Please provide a citation or proof -I know VT engages in yield protection; I don’t think UVA does.

DP. Citation from where? It's not like colleges will admit to these manipulations nor are they required to do so by law. Most TJ parent posts are anecdotal based on what they see happening to their kids and kid's friends. Take it or leave it. Based on what I've seen happening with TJ kids both UVA and VT yield protect. A kid getting into Michigan, UIUC and UCLA but not getting into UVA IS yield protection at UVA. Occam's razor.

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Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.

I’m observing a career path of DD who graduated from TJ last year and took a lot of post-AP math and CS classes at school. Last summer, right after her HS graduation she interned as a software engineer. The company she interned for told her that based on her skill set acquired at TJ she doesn’t need to go to college at all and can continue working for them full time. As a college freshman, she learned that the most competitive companies that pay over $200k upon graduation have internship programs for freshmen - because they want to hire the best of the best. In order to receive such an internship as a freshman, a student needs to take a complicated technical test, they are expected to be able to work as software engineers at that point. When I read DCUM in the past, I was impressed that some of the CS students were offered $140k upon graduation. Now based on my DD’s experience, I know that there are companies that pay $230-270k as an entry level salary to those who interned for them as freshmen and sophomores.

That is inspirational! I will share this with my son.
Where can we find the complicated technical test?
Thanks

Typical TJ parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.

MIT doesn't give credit for everything you take in high school. So there will be some repetition, though they will probably give some extra consideration for classes at TJ when awarding credit.
People overrate MIT somewhat. They still have classes like Calculus 1, Physics 1, which have hundreds of students.
I think the point is the experience of the heavy workload at TJ will make college seem easier.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA does not. They have consistently addmitted the top TJ kids, even though those kids go elsewhere.

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

Please provide a citation or proof -I know VT engages in yield protection; I don’t think UVA does.

DP. Citation from where? It's not like colleges will admit to these manipulations nor are they required to do so by law. Most TJ parent posts are anecdotal based on what they see happening to their kids and kid's friends. Take it or leave it. Based on what I've seen happening with TJ kids both UVA and VT yield protect. A kid getting into Michigan, UIUC and UCLA but not getting into UVA IS yield protection at UVA. Occam's razor.

So you feel it's true based on observing a friend group. Your TJ student would tell you that you can't support a claim with such a limited sample.

Schools look for different things and there are lots of variables you can't know about for each kid.