TJ College Admissions Results

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

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It’s a commonly held view at TJ that VT yield protects in a big way. The school has a 66% admit rate and TJ kids are routinely rejected.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

There are many but for example: level of freshmen/sophomore level STEM classes at UVA and post AP level STEM courses at TJ.

WHy would a TJ kid sandbag a low level class at UVA if they have already covered that material. That sounds like a waste of tuition dollars. Why would they repeat material instead of taking the proper course for their progression?

Theoretically, it is a waste of time to repeat material a student already knows, but if the goal is high GPA rather then pursuit of knowledge, it makes sense. Happens all the time in college classes. Students repeat math and science they already know especially to get a good grade. It is what it is.

If the goal is a higher GPA, why go to TJ? You'll get a higher GPA at the home school.

Poster is referring to padding the college GPA. Repeating material in college classes to earn high grades.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

UVA knows TJ kids view them as a safety.

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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)

I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.

Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.

The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).

VT definitely engages in yield protection. UVA does not

UVA does not. They have consistently addmitted the top TJ kids, even though those kids go elsewhere.

UVA yield protects for TJ students.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

There are many but for example: level of freshmen/sophomore level STEM classes at UVA and post AP level STEM courses at TJ.

WHy would a TJ kid sandbag a low level class at UVA if they have already covered that material. That sounds like a waste of tuition dollars. Why would they repeat material instead of taking the proper course for their progression?

Theoretically, it is a waste of time to repeat material a student already knows, but if the goal is high GPA rather then pursuit of knowledge, it makes sense. Happens all the time in college classes. Students repeat math and science they already know especially to get a good grade. It is what it is.

So TJ kids are GPA obsessed? Lame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why TJ parents (not kids) are so insufferable. Their kids get a great education at TJ and many - actually, the vast majority - get great college admits and merit aid, yet they are some of the most angry parents about their kid’s results. Instead of celebrating their kid’s achievements, they rant about discrimination, put down base schools, and belittle the state’s best colleges. Why is that necessary? They seem incredibly entitled and ungrateful.

Because you have to be a certain type of parent to want your kid to go to TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

So at the price of playing a sport/club or having leisure time in high school, TJ lets you do those things in college.
In the mean time, all those kids who cruised through HS are now working harder in college and catching up with the TJ kids who front-loaded their academics in HS.

I'm still not seeing the benefit. It's looking more like a trade.

There is a benefit. The kids who front-loaded receive summer internships as CS freshmen and sophomores at the companies that pay them over $200k upon graduation. The kids who get to the level of a TJ senior when they are college juniors get hired for the jobs that pay $100k less.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a commonly held view at TJ that VT yield protects in a big way. The school has a 66% admit rate and TJ kids are routinely rejected.

Is it possible that a disproportionate number are applying for STEM majors and VT can’t accept all of them?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a commonly held view at TJ that VT yield protects in a big way. The school has a 66% admit rate and TJ kids are routinely rejected.

Is it possible that a disproportionate number are applying for STEM majors and VT can’t accept all of them?

There were only 7 reported in TJ Today as matriculating at VT in fall 2022. That compares to 49 at UVA, 26 at W&M, 10 at GMU, and 10 at VCU. UVA is smaller and W&M is much, much smaller than VT. The more likely explanation is that many are choosing to matriculate elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

So at the price of playing a sport/club or having leisure time in high school, TJ lets you do those things in college.
In the mean time, all those kids who cruised through HS are now working harder in college and catching up with the TJ kids who front-loaded their academics in HS.

I'm still not seeing the benefit. It's looking more like a trade.

There is a benefit. The kids who front-loaded receive summer internships as CS freshmen and sophomores at the companies that pay them over $200k upon graduation. The kids who get to the level of a TJ senior when they are college juniors get hired for the jobs that pay $100k less.

Are you telling me that the kid from TJ who goes to a top 20 has better career prospects than the kid from the base school that goes to a top 20? I'd love to see the data on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

There are many but for example: level of freshmen/sophomore level STEM classes at UVA and post AP level STEM courses at TJ.

WHy would a TJ kid sandbag a low level class at UVA if they have already covered that material. That sounds like a waste of tuition dollars. Why would they repeat material instead of taking the proper course for their progression?

Theoretically, it is a waste of time to repeat material a student already knows, but if the goal is high GPA rather then pursuit of knowledge, it makes sense. Happens all the time in college classes. Students repeat math and science they already know especially to get a good grade. It is what it is.

I don't know a single TJ kid that does this (and yes, we know a lot) unless they have to. You may be talking about base school kids who did not get a solid foundation at their HS although they may have scored a 5 on the AP. Other repeat classes are because they are pre-reqs and the student's credentials didn't meet the college's requirements. My kid repeated one of the Physics components because he scored a 4 in the AP and the school expected a 5. They also had to repeat Linear Algebra and Diff Eq. because they were not AP's and although they had an A in HS the college didn't care about them. Both were pre-reqs. in college. Otherwise, it's quite dumb to repeat a class.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.

What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework? What are you talking about?

DP. They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier. Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time. All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.

Pretty much any college maybe. I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges. They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.