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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sure most TJ kids who are in the top 25% or so of the class will aim for Harvard, MIT, Duke, etc. but UVA ends up being a great value for TJ kids. Maybe some of the disappointment comes from a belief that the kids who end up at UVA could've have gotten the same outcome with much less stress and rigor, but TJ is about the experience not just the college admissions[/quote]

+1 many people say college is easier than TJ so it’s an experience beyond just the results[/quote]

Why would you want college to be easier than high school?[/quote]

First, less chance of struggling when first year can be overwhelming aside from academic requirements;
Second, more time to engage in club activity or leisure activities or preparing for even research/internships;
Third, very likely to stick to the intended major (even STEM) and to receive and maintain very high GPA;
Fourth, thus more options for med/law schools or even graduate school etc.
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What are these top colleges where the stem course work is lower level than high school stem coursework?  What are you talking about?[/quote]

DP.  They may not be 'lower level' in the true sense but for sure they are easier.  Remember that kids go from doing 7 alomst-college level tough courses at TJ, 1+hr commute, after school time spent on sports and nonsense ECs tailored to college admissions, etc. to 4 or maybe 5 classes, being in the top 10% at pretty much any college and a lot more discretionary time.  All of this makes the coursework in college seem easier for a TJ kid for at least the first couple of years.  [/quote]

Pretty much any college maybe.  I though you were all gunning for some really elite colleges.  They are not going to be finding the coursework easier at MIT or Princeton or Penn or the like unless they are intentionally taking repeat classes.[/quote]  [b]And the EC arms race certainly does not go away in college.[/b]  They become more involved, competitive to even join and more time consuming, not less.[/quote]

Depends on what you study.  Engineering or CS, one EC should be more than enough.  My nephews did one each in college, both well employed, 6 figure jobs.  Don't think the ECs made the difference.  DS in college for CS does one EC.  No issues finding an internship after freshman year, continued part-time with that company soph year part time and found a FAANG internship after soph year.  He has a ton of other friends whose only ECs are playing video games and smoking pot (according to him) who landed internships without issues.

'Softer' majors (e.g. Business) where you are judged on your ability to please/get along with others may need to play the EC game much like in college.

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I just am being told that at T10 colleges the EC arms race is intense for stem and everything else.  Not sure about other places.   I would say that if your stem student wants to dial down the workload while in college, avoid top colleges.[/quote]

It is, if you choose it.  All I'm saying that Engineering/CS kids don't have to.  Most kids at T10 are the aggressive, pushy kind, even in something like CS.  If your kid sees others compete for ECs they would assume that's the right thing to do and do the same.  Who's out there telling them not to join that rat race?  If you tell them, will they listen?[/quote]

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