APS overdose at Wakefield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article shows how good kids get wrapped up in this. It may not be the dealer at their school, it may be someone online. They may buy some multiple pills and some are real (or not dangerous) and some are deadly. It's like playing with a half loaded gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/30/fentanyl-fake-pills-social-media/

"From there, investigators were able to piece together the lethal transaction, which was arranged on Snapchat. The dealer, Virgil Bordner, had sold Zach two, maybe three pills that were supposed to be Percocet. The one that killed him was likely the second one he took."

Are they really "good kids" if they're buying drugs illegally? I feel for those and their families whose mistake led to death because the pill was laced with fentanyl....but we have to keep in mind, the kid CHOSE to buy drugs and CHOSE to take them. No one is shoving these pills down their throat at gunpoint.

You have to stop the kids from wanting to do this. No border measure, SRO in the bathroom, is going to solve the problem.

Yes they can still be "good kids" who make bad choices. My comment above (I'm the PP) was more about how this kid did not have any warning signs. Doing well in school, had friends, had involved parents, had hobbies, etc. I think many many people posting on this board can relate to that, regardless of race. His parents had no idea, until he was dead in his bedroom.

Fentanyl kills the casual user, as discussed earlier. High school kids make mistakes. Would I be shocked, outraged and upset if my kid was buying a few pills of *whatever* OF COURSE. But I will not paint this child who died as a bad egg. That allows people to dodge any sort of actual effort in helping to STOP more kids from getting sick or dying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article shows how good kids get wrapped up in this. It may not be the dealer at their school, it may be someone online. They may buy some multiple pills and some are real (or not dangerous) and some are deadly. It's like playing with a half loaded gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/30/fentanyl-fake-pills-social-media/

"From there, investigators were able to piece together the lethal transaction, which was arranged on Snapchat. The dealer, Virgil Bordner, had sold Zach two, maybe three pills that were supposed to be Percocet. The one that killed him was likely the second one he took."

Are they really "good kids" if they're buying drugs illegally? I feel for those and their families whose mistake led to death because the pill was laced with fentanyl....but we have to keep in mind, the kid CHOSE to buy drugs and CHOSE to take them. No one is shoving these pills down their throat at gunpoint.

You have to stop the kids from wanting to do this. No border measure, SRO in the bathroom, is going to solve the problem.

Yes they can still be "good kids" who make bad choices. My comment above (I'm the PP) was more about how this kid did not have any warning signs. Doing well in school, had friends, had involved parents, had hobbies, etc. I think many many people posting on this board can relate to that, regardless of race. His parents had no idea, until he was dead in his bedroom.

Fentanyl kills the casual user, as discussed earlier. High school kids make mistakes. Would I be shocked, outraged and upset if my kid was buying a few pills of *whatever* OF COURSE. But I will not paint this child who died as a bad egg. That allows people to dodge any sort of actual effort in helping to STOP more kids from getting sick or dying.

Casual. It kills the first-time user. And peer pressure and bullying are a lot of the reason good kids take that first pill.

This is so incredibly heart-breaking. And, yes, it can happen to ANYONE's kid which is why everyone should be concerned about the sheer volume of fentanyl crossing our borders. It's ubiquitous in all communities.

[Anonymous]

I tell my kids to bring their own Advil and Tylenol to sports practices and to not accept it from friends unless they see the brand name stamp on it. I ended up in the hospital in high school with a severe allergic reaction to aspirin because my friend refilled her Tylenol bottle with Bayer. It's not a stretch of the imagination that kids might have the same idea now, just with something stronger than aspirin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article shows how good kids get wrapped up in this. It may not be the dealer at their school, it may be someone online. They may buy some multiple pills and some are real (or not dangerous) and some are deadly. It's like playing with a half loaded gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/30/fentanyl-fake-pills-social-media/

"From there, investigators were able to piece together the lethal transaction, which was arranged on Snapchat. The dealer, Virgil Bordner, had sold Zach two, maybe three pills that were supposed to be Percocet. The one that killed him was likely the second one he took."

Are they really "good kids" if they're buying drugs illegally? I feel for those and their families whose mistake led to death because the pill was laced with fentanyl....but we have to keep in mind, the kid CHOSE to buy drugs and CHOSE to take them. No one is shoving these pills down their throat at gunpoint.

You have to stop the kids from wanting to do this. No border measure, SRO in the bathroom, is going to solve the problem.

Yes they can still be "good kids" who make bad choices. My comment above (I'm the PP) was more about how this kid did not have any warning signs. Doing well in school, had friends, had involved parents, had hobbies, etc. I think many many people posting on this board can relate to that, regardless of race. His parents had no idea, until he was dead in his bedroom.

Fentanyl kills the casual user, as discussed earlier. High school kids make mistakes. Would I be shocked, outraged and upset if my kid was buying a few pills of *whatever* OF COURSE. But I will not paint this child who died as a bad egg. That allows people to dodge any sort of actual effort in helping to STOP more kids from getting sick or dying.

He was a freshman, so probably 14 yo. Let's not write off any 14 yo as "bad."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tell my kids to bring their own Advil and Tylenol to sports practices and to not accept it from friends unless they see the brand name stamp on it. I ended up in the hospital in high school with a severe allergic reaction to aspirin because my friend refilled her Tylenol bottle with Bayer. It's not a stretch of the imagination that kids might have the same idea now, just with something stronger than aspirin.

Brand named stamped on any of the fake Adderall, Xanax, Percocet, etc. doesn’t mean anything. The fake ones look just like the real ones

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So damn horrible!

If you want to support the family:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-my-family-raise-money-for-my-cousins-funeral?

Very sad if he did die.

Doesn’t $15k seem high for a funeral? Would that include medical bills?

No it does not seem high at all. The average cost is about $10k. You clearly have not needed to bury anyone.

And I am sure there are medical bills as well, and yes if this can cover those, or some time off for his family to grieve, even better.

I really dislike your insinuation this is some sort of money grubbing scheme. A child is dead.

Amen!

A proper funeral is easily $12k. It's why so many people are now opting for only doing a wake/visitation and then a graveside service.

My (single father)) cousin passed unexpectedly and I and a few other family members were helping his newly 18 yo son navigate the process. He was basically given a menu with options and costs. He started having a panic attack because he became so overwhelmed. And everything needed to be paid up-front as well. How many 18 yo do you know walking around with a credit card that can hold a charge greater than $3k let alone over $10k? The person we worked with even said that some choose to take out small loans and pay it back once they receive the insurance payout. A funeral is a cash grab and that's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tell my kids to bring their own Advil and Tylenol to sports practices and to not accept it from friends unless they see the brand name stamp on it. I ended up in the hospital in high school with a severe allergic reaction to aspirin because my friend refilled her Tylenol bottle with Bayer. It's not a stretch of the imagination that kids might have the same idea now, just with something stronger than aspirin.

Brand named stamped on any of the fake Adderall, Xanax, Percocet, etc. doesn’t mean anything. The fake ones look just like the real ones

Yep. You don't accept meds from anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So damn horrible!

If you want to support the family:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-my-family-raise-money-for-my-cousins-funeral?

Very sad if he did die.

Doesn’t $15k seem high for a funeral? Would that include medical bills?

No it does not seem high at all. The average cost is about $10k. You clearly have not needed to bury anyone.

And I am sure there are medical bills as well, and yes if this can cover those, or some time off for his family to grieve, even better.

I really dislike your insinuation this is some sort of money grubbing scheme. A child is dead.

Amen!

A proper funeral is easily $12k. It's why so many people are now opting for only doing a wake/visitation and then a graveside service.

My (single father)) cousin passed unexpectedly and I and a few other family members were helping his newly 18 yo son navigate the process. He was basically given a menu with options and costs. He started having a panic attack because he became so overwhelmed. And everything needed to be paid up-front as well. How many 18 yo do you know walking around with a credit card that can hold a charge greater than $3k let alone over $10k? The person we worked with even said that some choose to take out small loans and pay it back once they receive the insurance payout. A funeral is a cash grab and that's it.

Welcome to late-stage capitalism, where if the healthcare doesn’t bankrupt you the funeral will.

But yeah, it’s all the schools’ fault.

[Anonymous]

Student has died

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So damn horrible!

If you want to support the family:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-my-family-raise-money-for-my-cousins-funeral?

Very sad if he did die.

Doesn’t $15k seem high for a funeral? Would that include medical bills?

No it does not seem high at all. The average cost is about $10k. You clearly have not needed to bury anyone.

And I am sure there are medical bills as well, and yes if this can cover those, or some time off for his family to grieve, even better.

I really dislike your insinuation this is some sort of money grubbing scheme. A child is dead.

1) When it was first posted it wasn’t confirmed publicly that he had died.

2) I sincerely thought funerals were a lot less <$10k. Excuse my ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article shows how good kids get wrapped up in this. It may not be the dealer at their school, it may be someone online. They may buy some multiple pills and some are real (or not dangerous) and some are deadly. It's like playing with a half loaded gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/30/fentanyl-fake-pills-social-media/

"From there, investigators were able to piece together the lethal transaction, which was arranged on Snapchat. The dealer, Virgil Bordner, had sold Zach two, maybe three pills that were supposed to be Percocet. The one that killed him was likely the second one he took."

Are they really "good kids" if they're buying drugs illegally? I feel for those and their families whose mistake led to death because the pill was laced with fentanyl....but we have to keep in mind, the kid CHOSE to buy drugs and CHOSE to take them. No one is shoving these pills down their throat at gunpoint.

You have to stop the kids from wanting to do this. No border measure, SRO in the bathroom, is going to solve the problem.

Yes they can still be "good kids" who make bad choices. My comment above (I'm the PP) was more about how this kid did not have any warning signs. Doing well in school, had friends, had involved parents, had hobbies, etc. I think many many people posting on this board can relate to that, regardless of race. His parents had no idea, until he was dead in his bedroom.

Fentanyl kills the casual user, as discussed earlier. High school kids make mistakes. Would I be shocked, outraged and upset if my kid was buying a few pills of *whatever* OF COURSE. But I will not paint this child who died as a bad egg. That allows people to dodge any sort of actual effort in helping to STOP more kids from getting sick or dying.

10000%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tell my kids to bring their own Advil and Tylenol to sports practices and to not accept it from friends unless they see the brand name stamp on it. I ended up in the hospital in high school with a severe allergic reaction to aspirin because my friend refilled her Tylenol bottle with Bayer. It's not a stretch of the imagination that kids might have the same idea now, just with something stronger than aspirin.

Brand named stamped on any of the fake Adderall, Xanax, Percocet, etc. doesn’t mean anything. The fake ones look just like the real ones

+1

We did the drug czars of the 80s back and stop this flow of fentanyl into our country. China is flooding Mexico with the precursor chemicals and Mexico is flooding us with the pills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tell my kids to bring their own Advil and Tylenol to sports practices and to not accept it from friends unless they see the brand name stamp on it. I ended up in the hospital in high school with a severe allergic reaction to aspirin because my friend refilled her Tylenol bottle with Bayer. It's not a stretch of the imagination that kids might have the same idea now, just with something stronger than aspirin.

Brand named stamped on any of the fake Adderall, Xanax, Percocet, etc. doesn’t mean anything. The fake ones look just like the real ones

+1

We did the drug czars of the 80s back and stop this flow of fentanyl into our country. China is flooding Mexico with the precursor chemicals and Mexico is flooding us with the pills.

*need

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/wakefield-high-school-overdose-student-dies-ptsa/65-d21a9256-5203-462d-9b64-053f13d80998

It’s disgusting that APE is commenting on this. They’ve done enough damage to our schools.

If you're more angry at APE than, say, basically anyone else involved in this situation, your brain is broken.

I’m angry at the people who lace drugs with fentanyl.

And people who trash our schools for years.

Neither are good for our community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article shows how good kids get wrapped up in this. It may not be the dealer at their school, it may be someone online. They may buy some multiple pills and some are real (or not dangerous) and some are deadly. It's like playing with a half loaded gun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/30/fentanyl-fake-pills-social-media/

"From there, investigators were able to piece together the lethal transaction, which was arranged on Snapchat. The dealer, Virgil Bordner, had sold Zach two, maybe three pills that were supposed to be Percocet. The one that killed him was likely the second one he took."

Are they really "good kids" if they're buying drugs illegally? I feel for those and their families whose mistake led to death because the pill was laced with fentanyl....but we have to keep in mind, the kid CHOSE to buy drugs and CHOSE to take them. No one is shoving these pills down their throat at gunpoint.

You have to stop the kids from wanting to do this. No border measure, SRO in the bathroom, is going to solve the problem.

I think what "good kids" means that can't be explicitly stated is well-off white kids from stable homes.

You put a photo of a smiling white mom, dad, and teen in front of a stranger and a photo of a smiling black mom, dad, and teen in front of them and ask them to pick which kid is a drug user, they will pick the black teen most of the time.

My nephew was addicted to Oxy then Heroin and ODd several times. If you put him in a lineup, no one would pick him as the drug addict. Except he was. He got a sports injury and got addicted to his pain pills. Then when he couldn't get those, he moved on to heroin.

I 100% associate opioid use with white people. Pill popping white people. My experiencing with opioids portrayed in media and personally has been white people. I literally never even have heard of a black Persian OD on opioids, but I’m sure it happens.

What I do not associate drug use with is Asians of any part of the continent.

Weed with LA and Blacks.