UVA admission stats across NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:Asians do experience racism.

- that is my point. Re-read what I posted.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

DS from FCPS has similar stats and field of study, had no interest in applying to Tech for this very reason. I kept my mouth shut, but he's seen the experience of his prior classmates. Rolled the dice on UVA but honestly not expecting much. Hopefully some of the OOS schools can come up with a little merit to make it feasible.

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I am a URM. I can see how the college admission process does give us an advantage. I also agree that wealthy URMs most likely have the same advantages as their white and asian peers when it comes to admissions. However, when it is time to hire these graduates, it has been proven time and time again, that employers will most likely choose the white or asian applicants to fill positions over African Americans or Hispanics:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

AA might put a Black applicant from Cornell on similar playing field as an Asian/White person from U of Wisconsin during job interviews.

I think too many are only focusing on the college admissions process. College is a means to an end. There is still a lot of discrimination going on in major corporations.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
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It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

Exactly.

According to this list there are about a dozen public schools offering ED and half are in Virginia.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/early-decision-schools-and-colleges-complete-list

None are the same caliber as UVA. VT and W&M are the most competitive schools to get into on the list after UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a URM. I can see how the college admission process does give us an advantage. I also agree that wealthy URMs most likely have the same advantages as their white and asian peers when it comes to admissions. However, when it is time to hire these graduates, it has been proven time and time again, that employers will most likely choose the white or asian applicants to fill positions over African Americans or Hispanics:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

AA might put a Black applicant from Cornell on similar playing field as an Asian/White person from U of Wisconsin during job interviews.

I think too many are only focusing on the college admissions process. College is a means to an end. There is still a lot of discrimination going on in major corporations.

Given how college admissions work these days in favor of URMs it seems quite reasonable not to assume a URM from Cornell is a better candidate than a white or Asian candidate from Wisconsin. Both are good schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

DS from FCPS has similar stats and field of study, had no interest in applying to Tech for this very reason. I kept my mouth shut, but he's seen the experience of his prior classmates. Rolled the dice on UVA but honestly not expecting much. Hopefully some of the OOS schools can come up with a little merit to make it feasible.

I just realized that my son had a 4.7 GPA.

I would seriously look at VCCS. You need to get at least a 3.4 GPA and then you can transfer anywhere. He may not want to hear it, but is is a great option. My son is also working at an engineering firm part time along with going to school. Not only has he not paid anything to go to school because of grants and scholarships, but he has also saved a lot of money and gotten some great work experience. I have no faith in college admissions offices in any "top tier" college in the US. They are broken.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a URM. I can see how the college admission process does give us an advantage. I also agree that wealthy URMs most likely have the same advantages as their white and asian peers when it comes to admissions. However, when it is time to hire these graduates, it has been proven time and time again, that employers will most likely choose the white or asian applicants to fill positions over African Americans or Hispanics:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

AA might put a Black applicant from Cornell on similar playing field as an Asian/White person from U of Wisconsin during job interviews.

I think too many are only focusing on the college admissions process. College is a means to an end. There is still a lot of discrimination going on in major corporations.

All this article proves is that you should not name you kid with a distinctively black name if they are applying to a job to be a cashier at Target.

Economists do studies on this. If colleges lower the standards for certain minorities, then society will only assume that minority graduates are not the same.

Dr. Thomas Sowell has written about the subject many times. He is a black Professor of Economics.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/12/17/sowell-do-the-real-facts-not-matter-at-all-in-college-admissions-debate/

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

This was a BS decision made by fools and I’m sorry your kid (and your family) went through that, he sounds amazing

Thank you. He is doing great. BTW, he actually had a 4.7 GPA.

Just want to point out VCCS to people so they know about how good of a deal it is. In a lot of ways, it could be better than going direct to college, especially in his case. There are a lot of people that could avoid the mess that is the college admissions office and go where they want.

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The people considering guaranteed transfer from NVCC need to read the agreements very carefully, because some of what's written here is inaccurate. In most of the agreements, there is a requirement that the credits be taken at VCCS AFTER graduation. Meaning AP/IB/DE credits do not count. At UVA and W&M, for example, 45 of the 60 credits toward the AA have to be taken at VCCS. So if you already have 30 or 40 credits, you will still have to take 45 more.

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Anonymous wrote:The people considering guaranteed transfer from NVCC need to read the agreements very carefully, because some of what's written here is inaccurate. In most of the agreements, there is a requirement that the credits be taken at VCCS AFTER graduation. Meaning AP/IB/DE credits do not count. At UVA and W&M, for example, 45 of the 60 credits toward the AA have to be taken at VCCS. So if you already have 30 or 40 credits, you will still have to take 45 more.

My son just contacted VCCS about this. Although all the GAAs mention the 45 or 60 credits, if you get the minimum GPA and an AA, you will qualify. It really takes 3 semesters because of prerequisites for the engineering classes. My son started his first semester (summer 2022) while he was still in high school. He will be done in 1 year.

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Anonymous wrote:The people considering guaranteed transfer from NVCC need to read the agreements very carefully, because some of what's written here is inaccurate. In most of the agreements, there is a requirement that the credits be taken at VCCS AFTER graduation. Meaning AP/IB/DE credits do not count. At UVA and W&M, for example, 45 of the 60 credits toward the AA have to be taken at VCCS. So if you already have 30 or 40 credits, you will still have to take 45 more.

My son just contacted VCCS about this. Although all the GAAs mention the 45 or 60 credits, if you get the minimum GPA and an AA, you will qualify. It really takes 3 semesters because of prerequisites for the engineering classes. My son started his first semester (summer 2022) while he was still in high school. He will be done in 1 year.

That's interesting--so they told him the 45 credit requirement isn't real? Is it just there to discourage high achievers in HS from taking this route (because they'll presumably look at the GAA and decide not to bother)?

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I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

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Anonymous wrote:The people considering guaranteed transfer from NVCC need to read the agreements very carefully, because some of what's written here is inaccurate. In most of the agreements, there is a requirement that the credits be taken at VCCS AFTER graduation. Meaning AP/IB/DE credits do not count. At UVA and W&M, for example, 45 of the 60 credits toward the AA have to be taken at VCCS. So if you already have 30 or 40 credits, you will still have to take 45 more.

My son just contacted VCCS about this. Although all the GAAs mention the 45 or 60 credits, if you get the minimum GPA and an AA, you will qualify. It really takes 3 semesters because of prerequisites for the engineering classes. My son started his first semester (summer 2022) while he was still in high school. He will be done in 1 year.

That's interesting--so they told him the 45 credit requirement isn't real? Is it just there to discourage high achievers in HS from taking this route (because they'll presumably look at the GAA and decide not to bother)?

They told him that the GAA had not been updated in a long time and when his application is being reviewed, they will look at his VCCS GPA and all of the classes that he has completed. He will probably end up with 35 hours and a 4.0 GPA, which will be good enough to qualify. If an applicant has a GPA close to the minimum, I could see the 45 hour requirement being a potential problem. I do not think the GAA was written with the intention of keeping high achievers out, but just making sure that people that get through are qualified to continue at the big-boy college.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.