UVA admission stats across NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
DP

It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

Hah! The parents may think that but they are in for a rude shock. My UVA kid chose UVA over an Ivy and never looked back. Also turned down Georgia Tech, aerospace, for UVA. You may be surprised when your kid gets deferred or waitlisted for ivies. I know of only one person who turned down UVa for an Ivy

Um, ok. I wasn't talking about my kid, or yours. Plenty of kids do indeed get into Ivies and wouldn't give UVA a second thought. You seem oddly defensive that this is so.

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UVA knows this = yield protection.

I do not understand why other PP thinks that everything is documented, in black and white. If one knows a large number of applicants who have gone this route, one is not going to list names on DCUM. LOL.

I don't even follow your logic here. If someone chooses Ivy over UVA, that means they got into both. Yield protection means a school rejects their top applicants, assuming the student is using them as a safety. UVA doesn't do yield protection.

The weighted GPA thread from a few weeks ago showed that a lot of people don't realize that the GPAs are going up to 4.8 or 5.0 now, so the "4.0" people crying yield protection are talking about students who might be in the middle of the pack, not at the top.

This. And no one has come up with any proof that UVA engages in yield protections those few that do are parents of top stats kids who didn’t get in. UVA is actively trying to increase its number of URMs so something has to give. There are only 4,000 seats in a class. Last year 52 percent of the offers went to persons of color. The accepted class jumped to 14 percent black, a jump of over 8 percent. To achieve this you must dig down into the applicant class and seek out URMs and first generations. That all means fewer high stat white miss get offers

Where are you getting this information? I’m looking at 9,503 accepted and 955 were black. 3,900+ to white kids.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Persons of color will include Asians

POC does not include Asians at the higher education level

True, but they will include Asians in their POC counts when they want to showcase their "diversity".

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

Hah! The parents may think that but they are in for a rude shock. My UVA kid chose UVA over an Ivy and never looked back. Also turned down Georgia Tech, aerospace, for UVA. You may be surprised when your kid gets deferred or waitlisted for ivies. I know of only one person who turned down UVa for an Ivy

Um, ok. I wasn't talking about my kid, or yours. Plenty of kids do indeed get into Ivies and wouldn't give UVA a second thought. You seem oddly defensive that this is so.

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UVA knows this = yield protection.

I do not understand why other PP thinks that everything is documented, in black and white. If one knows a large number of applicants who have gone this route, one is not going to list names on DCUM. LOL.

I don't even follow your logic here. If someone chooses Ivy over UVA, that means they got into both. Yield protection means a school rejects their top applicants, assuming the student is using them as a safety. UVA doesn't do yield protection.

The weighted GPA thread from a few weeks ago showed that a lot of people don't realize that the GPAs are going up to 4.8 or 5.0 now, so the "4.0" people crying yield protection are talking about students who might be in the middle of the pack, not at the top.

This. And no one has come up with any proof that UVA engages in yield protections those few that do are parents of top stats kids who didn’t get in. UVA is actively trying to increase its number of URMs so something has to give. There are only 4,000 seats in a class. Last year 52 percent of the offers went to persons of color. The accepted class jumped to 14 percent black, a jump of over 8 percent. To achieve this you must dig down into the applicant class and seek out URMs and first generations. That all means fewer high stat white miss get offers

Where are you getting this information? I’m looking at 9,503 accepted and 955 were black. 3,900+ to white kids.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Persons of color will include Asians

POC does not include Asians at the higher education level

True, but they will include Asians in their POC counts when they want to showcase their "diversity".

Not in higher ed

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
DP

It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

Hah! The parents may think that but they are in for a rude shock. My UVA kid chose UVA over an Ivy and never looked back. Also turned down Georgia Tech, aerospace, for UVA. You may be surprised when your kid gets deferred or waitlisted for ivies. I know of only one person who turned down UVa for an Ivy

Um, ok. I wasn't talking about my kid, or yours. Plenty of kids do indeed get into Ivies and wouldn't give UVA a second thought. You seem oddly defensive that this is so.

+1

UVA knows this = yield protection.

I do not understand why other PP thinks that everything is documented, in black and white. If one knows a large number of applicants who have gone this route, one is not going to list names on DCUM. LOL.

I don't even follow your logic here. If someone chooses Ivy over UVA, that means they got into both. Yield protection means a school rejects their top applicants, assuming the student is using them as a safety. UVA doesn't do yield protection.

The weighted GPA thread from a few weeks ago showed that a lot of people don't realize that the GPAs are going up to 4.8 or 5.0 now, so the "4.0" people crying yield protection are talking about students who might be in the middle of the pack, not at the top.

This. And no one has come up with any proof that UVA engages in yield protections those few that do are parents of top stats kids who didn’t get in. UVA is actively trying to increase its number of URMs so something has to give. There are only 4,000 seats in a class. Last year 52 percent of the offers went to persons of color. The accepted class jumped to 14 percent black, a jump of over 8 percent. To achieve this you must dig down into the applicant class and seek out URMs and first generations. That all means fewer high stat white miss get offers

Where are you getting this information? I’m looking at 9,503 accepted and 955 were black. 3,900+ to white kids.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Persons of color will include Asians

POC does not include Asians at the higher education level

True, but they will include Asians in their POC counts when they want to showcase their "diversity".

Not in higher ed

Wrong. They count them when they make persons of color statements,.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

+1

Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

+1

You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
DP

It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

Exactly.

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Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

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F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

So your kid applied to one of the most sought after and competitive majors and wasn't accepted. Your reaction is none of the other kids were qualified and the "woke" boogie man is to blame. Sure.

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F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

So your kid applied to one of the most sought after and competitive majors and wasn't accepted. Your reaction is none of the other kids were qualified and the "woke" boogie man is to blame. Sure.

And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

Couldn’t agree with you more-so many amazing non URM or otherwise “unhooked” candidates out there getting the shaft for no good reason other than the woke “institutional priorities” of modern college admissions. Let the dust settle and transfer after a year. Many doing this!

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the people who cry “yield protection!” just don’t understand how competitive these schools have gotten or that their kid is one of many strong applicants. UVA doesn’t have to play the yield game. Top students, especially instate, choose to attend.

This is simply not true. A lot of them do decide to attend, sure. But for many headed to Ivies, UVA is just a safety school - and UVA knows this.

Hah! The parents may think that but they are in for a rude shock. My UVA kid chose UVA over an Ivy and never looked back. Also turned down Georgia Tech, aerospace, for UVA. You may be surprised when your kid gets deferred or waitlisted for ivies. I know of only one person who turned down UVa for an Ivy

Um, ok. I wasn't talking about my kid, or yours. Plenty of kids do indeed get into Ivies and wouldn't give UVA a second thought. You seem oddly defensive that this is so.

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UVA knows this = yield protection.

I do not understand why other PP thinks that everything is documented, in black and white. If one knows a large number of applicants who have gone this route, one is not going to list names on DCUM. LOL.

I don't even follow your logic here. If someone chooses Ivy over UVA, that means they got into both. Yield protection means a school rejects their top applicants, assuming the student is using them as a safety. UVA doesn't do yield protection.

The weighted GPA thread from a few weeks ago showed that a lot of people don't realize that the GPAs are going up to 4.8 or 5.0 now, so the "4.0" people crying yield protection are talking about students who might be in the middle of the pack, not at the top.

This. And no one has come up with any proof that UVA engages in yield protections those few that do are parents of top stats kids who didn’t get in. UVA is actively trying to increase its number of URMs so something has to give. There are only 4,000 seats in a class. Last year 52 percent of the offers went to persons of color. The accepted class jumped to 14 percent black, a jump of over 8 percent. To achieve this you must dig down into the applicant class and seek out URMs and first generations. That all means fewer high stat white miss get offers

Where are you getting this information? I’m looking at 9,503 accepted and 955 were black. 3,900+ to white kids.

https://ira.virginia.edu/university-stats-facts/undergraduate-admissions

Persons of color will include Asians

POC does not include Asians at the higher education level

Asians do not experience discrimination or racism, and are not minorities.

- at least, not to college admissions officers.

Maybe it is time for a truly color-blind, fair, merit-based admissions process.

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Asians do experience racism.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone should look at the Virginia Community College System in Virginia if their goal is to go to a "top tier" Virginia and their demographics do not meet the social justice goals of a terribly broken college admissions system. My son had a 4.4 GPA, 1550 SAT, is an Eagle Scout, 3 sport athlete, basketball team captain, played the violin in the orchestra, 12 AP classes for 62 college credits, top 5 percent of his class... He was not accepted to VT or UVa engineering. He applied to a safety school, but decided he didn't want to go there and wanted to go to VT. VCCS has GAA, Guaranteed Admissions Agreement with all state schools. He showed up to VCCS as a sophomore (because of AP credits) and will qualify in 1 year to go to UVa and VT. He will show up to one of them next fall as a junior. F the admissions office. They are all run by social justice warriors and are letting people in for the wrong reasons. GAA takes the woke admissions office out of the loop.

Couldn’t agree with you more-so many amazing non URM or otherwise “unhooked” candidates out there getting the shaft for no good reason other than the woke “institutional priorities” of modern college admissions. Let the dust settle and transfer after a year. Many doing this!

It is a great way to get into the school you want to. Also, my son has had all 3 semesters (summer, fall, spring) paid for via grant. He will show up to Blacksburg a junior with not a penny of student debt. Pretty neat.